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Forum Post: Alcohol is one of the top problems with society

Posted 1 year ago on March 2, 2013, 2:23 p.m. EST by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB
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Don't agree? Why?

Talk to anyone not doing well. What are the chances they, or their parents, abused alcohol before or during the toughest times.

It makes society weak and erodes solidarity.

Now weed on the other hand is the opposite. Care to debate that?

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[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

It makes society weak and erodes solidarity

Unless you are at a bar rooting for the same team.

[-] 0 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

You're talking sports at the bar drinking to strengthen society? I guess sports is more enjoyable with beer. I wonder how popular some sports like hockey would be without it.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Your talking it makes society weak and erodes solidarity?

We have a historical pattern that says that alcohol use increases when the economy goes to crap. I dunno how popular sports would be without it.

[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

I can see how it's tempting to get drunk when thoughts of self-loathing, desperation and suicide increase.

Alcohol can be thought of as the flywheel in the pattern/cycle you describe.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Actually, if you recognize that the pattern occurs highest in the economic downturn then that is the area that you would pay attention to. I don't give a damn about your high. I really don't. I'm not interested in the ninety-nine reasons that you attempt to justify it.

[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

So you're saying alcohol does not act as a flywheel in an economic downturn?

And weed is too but we're just talking about alcohol now.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

You have groups of people who are going to drink heaviest during economic downturns. It is a pattern.

An attempt to say alcohol is the bane of society and weed is the savior is ludicrous. Your argument is attempting to legitimize the legalization of marijuana.

I find the same argument with health care issues. Failure to recognize the stress, identify the stress just allows for further denial on some parties to make necessary changes,

[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Weed should not be illegal. The only reason it is is so a few corporations, really evil ones, can make as much money as possible. They actually want innocent people filling prisons for profit, no other reason. That is a serious problem. That is one example, there are more.

Yes, the pattern of problem drinking increases with economic problems, no doubt. I still argue that alcohol is much more detrimental than weed everywhere with all other things being equal.

Why not legalize it anyway. I was actually only trying to say how bad liquor is, then just before posting I thought I'd see what people thought about weed. It wasn't going to be part of the post, it kinda just slipped in, maybe not worded so well. Your translation of what I said is a little off but it's my fault.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I have no problem with decriminalization. I do not agree with legalization. Harm reduction in all of it's aspects.

[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

I would be satisfied with decriminalization. I'd like to go a step further and remove all restrictions keeping hemp from being utilized to the fullest capacity.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I also agree with that.

[-] 2 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

Substance abuse is bad overall. It comes from our lack of meaning and connection in the society we live in though.

[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Too much of anything is bad, even carrots. If people knew how to use weed properly, or if there was place to get education on using it in a healthy way... yes, it can be used in a healthy way... I'd be overwhelmingly happy.

[-] 1 points by ericweiss (575) 1 year ago

major problem ????

compared to hunger ????
compared to greed ????
compared to joblessness ????

PLEASE !!!!


but specifically,
weed is not addictive, is generally available from dealers who sell addictive drugs, is expensive, is consumed FOR the buzz
alcohol is addictive, cheap, consumed by most people NOT for the buzz


my opinion - all drugs should be legal for adults

[-] 0 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Oh, and not all who use weed do it for the buzz.

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDsQtwIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D06z9izxl20Y&ei=eoQyUcWzJI3riQLPuYGQBA&usg=AFQjCNEiAXVtzwqv9DUV_oypMRTq6Lxyiw

It's about Montel Williams. If you find it (if the link works), look what TheGrandArgument has to say in his/her comment.

[-] 2 points by ericweiss (575) 1 year ago

yes - "all" is almost always wrong
medical weed is in a class by itself
as are the real uses of prescription "heroin"

[-] 0 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Maybe people would be more compassionate and capable of committing to a solution if they weren't more concerned with their next social drunk fest.
That's about my best response to your question.

Yes those are all worse things but as a society hooked on booze we aren't as capable of fixing them.

[-] 1 points by ericweiss (575) 1 year ago

come on man, "as a society hooked on booze",
I am sad to see you stretch the truth on a serious subject
just to prove a point.
But so many other people here do the same thing.

[-] 0 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

right, neither of us are innocent of that! But take away the right to get drunk and there would be one hell of an uproar.

[-] 2 points by ericweiss (575) 1 year ago

I dont disagree with that but in stead of putting people in jail for drug related behaivior, how about treatment programs. Legalize it all for adults.

[-] 2 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Agreed. I'm sure we would agree on may things related to this topic. Like the only reason people are in jail for weed is so corrupt capitalists can make more money.

[-] 1 points by Narley (284) 1 year ago

More accurately, the abuse of alcohol is the problem. And it’s become cool to abuse alcohol. Binge drinking, jello shots and just getting drunk on your ass have become a fad. It’s expected among the college age crowd. You’re just a wimp to be ridiculed if you don’t get drunk out of your mind on a regular basis. Every generation has had problem drinkers, but it seems worse for the current generation of college students.

I don’t know the solution, but it’s gonna be damn hard to change a nation when everyone’s so drunk they can’t stand up. Prohibition won’t work any better than it did in the 1920’s. This issue doesn’t receive enough attention.

[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Right. Booze is largely to blame for many things. I don't see a large-scale solution coming soon. But people need to have a buzz. It's natural. Why do you think kids under two years old love getting dizzy by spinning around in circles?

Take away weed and all you have left is booze, basically.

Weed smokers are very unlikely to be violent, almost never engage in domestic violence (unless there are deeper issues), and only seek peace. I bet in nearly all cases of domestic violence, alcohol is the primary contributing factor.

Weed should be fully legal and alcohol consumption should be controlled in a serious way.

[-] 2 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

Weed depresses mental functioning and motivation. People who smoke too much weed often waste their lives, as they watch their friends move on to better things. I've seen it happen. That's why they call it getting "wasted".

If people want to experience altered states, they'd be be better off learning how to attain deep states of meditation.

[-] 0 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

You are correct, as I can attest from first-hand experience. In moderation, it's a fine drug. But , like any drug, it's all too easy to abuse.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

In our insane society, its easy for people to become depressed and seek escape. We need more beneficial ways for people to escape depression, not to mention returning our whole society to sanity.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

True. The desire for altered states of consciousness is universal and not necessarily linked to depression. But, anxiety, stress and depression, which modern society induces by the boatload, cause many of us to seek 'escape' thru drugs rather than using them for 'enlightenment' or 'mind-expansion.' So, it's possible that a return to a more peaceful, sane society would also see a reduction in drug and alcohol abuse, and probably a reduction in anxiety and depression as well.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

I suppose so, but I think there are better ways for people to seek altered states of consciousness as well.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6614) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Oh yeah. Meditation, as you suggested. The subject had piqued my interest recently.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

I've done it for years and found it to be quite beneficial. There are some groups which teach meditation, however, that are unscrupulous.

[-] 0 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

I agree that many waste away from weed, but it's due to the lack of education and coaching. Anything abused or improperly used will have negative effects.

At least those wasted people are doing little evil compared to their alcoholic counterparts.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

The people who sell the weed are doing evil to those who waste their lives from it. Whether it can be done in a way that isn't harmful is hard to say.

[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

I actually know some very responsible dealers exist. They won't sell to minors and only sell weed on a small scale. They don't lie, cheat or steal. I won't label them criminals.

However, there are many misguided criminals who see weed as another way to make money, often just for survival too.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

Yes, in our society, just making a living is impossible for many. Better opportunities would decrease the need for some to lie cheat and steal.

Unfortunately, as you go up the supply chain, the crimes can get much worse. Consider Mexico, where the drug gangs indulge in murder and torture on a horrendous scale.

[-] 0 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

It makes sense for the government to let it be sold legally to reduce crime, but it's so profitable for some corporations to have more reason to lock people up. It makes sense for some corporations to make it out to be a horrible thing, for example, industries like pharma, forestry and building supplies.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

The prosperity of a society depends primarily on the intelligence of its citizens. Before weed were to be made legal, I would want to see adequate research showing that it would not interfere with the development of that intelligence. That is, that most people could do it in a way that wouldn't harm themselves.

[-] 0 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Is that why it's so forbidden in China? No offense, I love many things Chinese, but maybe that would explain why. I don't think it's capitalism or a misunderstanding of its qualities that defeated weed in China.

[-] 2 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

No problem. Recreational drugs are illegal in China mostly due to the Opium Wars. During those wars, the British forced the Chinese to allow them to sell opium legally to the Chinese people.

As a result, 10% of the Chinese population became addicted to opium. Maybe 50 million people became addicted, and as you may be aware, addiction to opium is quite a terrible thing.

Addiction to opium results in enslavement of the victim to the dealer, since its a habit that's extremely painful to kick. Some of the opium barons became more wealthy, comparatively speaking, than today's computer billionaires.

Much of the "old wealth" in America was gotten by selling opium to China, the Bush family is one good example. Today, the opium war continues with Afghanistan as the supplier, and western people as victims. The queen of England is one of the main beneficiaries, through money laundering.

Widespread addiction, also greatly diminished the ability of the Chinese military to fight, rendering them helpless victims of the British.

Weed, like recreational drugs in general, are illegal in China, but we foreigners can usually find it without too much difficulty. Most Chinese people don't like it, though quite a few in the club scene like to take pills of some sort, I think they are amphetamines.

Foreigners caught with weed, mostly get a warning, while dealers can spend some time in jail. Heroin/opium dealers, mostly from Africa, are often executed.

[-] 1 points by Nader (74) 1 year ago

Are there problems with prescription drug abuse, like hydro/oxy-codone I feel like that is the biggest drug problem facing the US.

The prices for opiates must be insane if the dealers are facing death if caught.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

I'm not aware of problems with prescription drug abuse, and don't know about the price of opiates. Attaining even a little understanding of a culture so different from ours as Chinese, requires a considerable effort.

[-] 1 points by engineer4 (352) 1 year ago

"recreational drugs" has a bad connotation. It makes it sound like its fun vs something else. How would you define "recreational drug"? I believe it would be difficult. One person's recreation could be another's prescription drug, which today can be just as abused as the illegal ones. One could say that drug "A" makes one feel happy, while others may say that it is a dangerous alteration of reality (i.e. LSD).

I believe before anything would be made legal, it should go through the standard clinical studies process and approval. Side effects should be made known. Laws would be required to determine what impairs people to perform jobs or tasks. Laws would be required for setting limits for testing if it impairs ones function to operate machinery safely, fly an airplane or just drivie a car. All of these points must be sorted out before any legalizing process. The public should demand that as a minimum to insure the safety of the general public. We have enough problems with alcohol use and abuse.

[-] 2 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

I just used the phrase because its common usage. Your ideas sound reasonable.

[-] 1 points by engineer4 (352) 1 year ago

Ran out of replies to comment below.......there is certainly a lot of "don't ask, don't tell" on money transactions regarding global drug profiteers. That way they can plead ignorance, "we had no idea", or better yet, " we have to protect the privacy of our clients". The offshore laundromats and financial havens really need to be corralled and follow the same regulations as everyone else. But the countries themselves (i.e. carribean island nations, etc.) are involved and that is a sticking point.

[-] 2 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

The whole global banking system needs to be put through something like Glass Steagall, that would help.

[-] 1 points by engineer4 (352) 1 year ago

No problem, and you are right about the common usage. I am not a pro-drug supporter, but if we are to have a serious discussion about use (and misuse), and any potential legalization of certain drugs, then it should follow the correct path. The idea that people just complain that the government is the problem for the drug wars and all the violence and death is just a selfish wish to use drugs without any oversight or regulation. I once proposed in a post last year that most drug violence and death could end quite easily if everyone that uses just stops for a week, month or whatever. It would be quite something to see. But no, I was attacked, the idea was a wedge issue, people did not want to stop using, they all said the governement should legalize most drugs now and not interfere with private use. To me, that is quite selfish behavior and a real shame.

[-] 2 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

Interesting. Actually, I think the big banks doing money laundering is the most significant aspect of the problem to be dealt with. Did you hear that HSBC was recently fined about $1 billion for money laundering? Its just a drop in the bucket though compared to the $1 trillion that passes through international banks annually as drug money.

[-] 0 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Interesting, I wonder if most educated Chinese know all that.

[-] 2 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

As an English teacher, sometimes I discuss the history of the opium wars with advanced students. Normally, they just know a little about it from the Chinese side.

[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Is alcohol as detrimental to society in China as it is in North America?

[-] 2 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 1 year ago

I don't know about that. I'm not aware of any statistics on drunk driving or domestic violence or anything. The laws are somewhat different. There is no age limit, for example, and you can actually drink in public.

[-] 1 points by Narley (284) 1 year ago

Actually, I can’t argue the plus and minus of alcohol vs. weed. I’ve never smoked weed; and I drink a beer about once every five years. I also don’t smoke cigarettes, drink coffee or soda’s. So I can’t contribute much to the discussion other than saying I know people who have ruined their lives with alcohol. We need to find a better way to deal with alcohol abuse. Also, maybe weed abuse. Some think weed leads to stronger drugs. But I don't know if it's true or not.

[-] 0 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Many argue that cigarettes lead to hard drugs, not weed. I think it's great that you live such a healthy life and don't take a hard stance against weed. You have a strong, disciplined open mind. Good for you!

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Never been arrested after getting really stoned, thats for sure...

Beer on the other hand....or jello shots....or jagerbombs....or cherrybombs...or shots of jamison....

Ya, definitely erodes society.

That being said....Its only 10 more days till St Patties!!

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[-] 0 points by nobnot (529) from Kapaa, HI 1 year ago

All nations are welcome except Carrie.

Is what the sign said in my old bar.

Now we have an Alcohol control group.

Perhaps they should have a few drinks with the gun control crowd.

[-] 1 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

"Nation was a relatively large woman, almost 6 feet (180 cm) tall and weighing 175 pounds (79 kg), with a stern countenance[citation needed]. She described herself as "a bulldog running along at the feet of Jesus, barking at what He doesn't like,"[2] and claimed a divine ordination to promote temperance by destroying bars."

I like that! Natives are awesome. I heard a saying "White man is like an infant, you have to have a great deal of patience with them." That was said to a very angry native American by someone he was trying to recruit to help wage war on "invading" Europeans. (I don't have time to find the reference) The wise man convinced the younger one that non-violence and tolerance was a better way, with just a few words. The young man changed from a vengeful wolf to a wiser one, and was dissuaded from changing the course of history for many. He learned to wage a non-violent war with words, and proceeded to for much of his life, to large, captivated audiences.

I hope I'm right with this, but that's the beauty of Native storytelling. It's not about the facts, it's about the message. As the wise young wolf speaks to many, he tells of his grandfather's stories, ones without beginnings or ends. The characters don't really matter. Neither do the events in most cases. It's just understanding facts of life and a technique to create critical, wisdom-inspired thinking.

[-] 0 points by nobnot (529) from Kapaa, HI 1 year ago

Nice,thanks.

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[-] 0 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 1 year ago

Oh Please can't we have our cake and eat it to.

[-] -1 points by clearsimpletruths (-204) 1 year ago

Perhaps we should adopt Sharia Law like in Sudan where there's barely any alcohol. I heard they are doing great.

[-] 0 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Sudan is better off without it.

[-] -1 points by clearsimpletruths (-204) 1 year ago

Without alcohol? I think it should be the least of their concerns. When police worry more about a man drinking a beer at home than the most basic of human rights there's a problem. Over there, you'll be glorified for outing and beating a homosexual, but you'll be jailed for taking a drink.

Alcohol is not even close to being on of the top problems with society. Not even close at all.

[-] 0 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Their laws are just bad. Has nothing to do with the effects of alcohol on society.

[-] -1 points by brady (-5) 1 year ago

We need to ban alcohol, guns and free speech. We also need to eliminate the 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th amendments. Americans are not capable of handling guns and drink.

[-] 1 points by Narley (284) 1 year ago

HEY!, I keeping my guns. That should be OK since I don't drink. Right?

[-] -1 points by TimetoStop (-55) 1 year ago

I agree with you about alcohol. And if you really think weed is the opposite then you are too far gone to argue with.

[-] 0 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Well, exact opposite, no. But no father smokes a bag of weed then beats his wife and kids. Just one example, but you see my point without having to go on all night, which one with enough experience could.

[-] 0 points by TimetoStop (-55) 1 year ago

Okay. I see your point.

[-] -1 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

Well you just shot yourself in the foot with any of your future subsidiaries that sell or make products that use alcohol.

And until you provide scientific evidence to support the assumption that people who are "not doing well" are all connected to the abuse of alcohol, and NEVER connected to "weed", then all anyone can debate is opinion.

And that's a huge waste of time. Surely your OB classes taught you at least that much.

[-] 2 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

FYI, I nearly aced OB twice and would bet my farm you have little awareness of emotional intelligence.

Personally, I'm starting to think you're just plain fucking stupid.

[-] -1 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

"You're so defensive!"

That's what you said to me at a point in time when I hadn't even stooped to name calling or personal attacks.

Now, if I was an unfair person, or I was lacking in the emotional intelligence realm, I might just outright declare that your EIQ must be average or below average based on nothing more than how you responded to me just now.

But I'm not. I'm going to give you another chance to demonstrate a much higher emotional intelligence when you reply to this post.

[-] 2 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Ok, well you actually don't sound like an uneducated person. So by deduction I'd have to say you exhibit TROLL- like behavior, with a separate account on here used to twinkle yourself. Can you link me to a post of yours that others agree with?

[-] -1 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

So, it seems like you are saying I'm smart but because I said something I genuinely think, and you don't like it, I'm behaving like a "troll". AND because for whatever reason I'm no longer in the negative point category, the only way THAT could have happened is if I have more than one account and I'm giving myself points.

Please show me where on the EI scale behaviors like paranoia and propaganda demonstrate high emotional intelligence.

[-] 3 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

So negative you are. I'm pretty sure you've been attacking me incessantly since you became aware of the potential of the Conglomerate and for some reason you're putting way too much effort into discrediting it. Then you strove to make it a personal thing. Fuckoff troll.

[-] -3 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

You're ability to judge total strangers you've never met and have absolutely NO knowledge of is incredibly arrogant, and completely false.

My father was a former alcoholic who sobered up and spent his life fighting his addiction. I replied in a forum post ON alcohol where someone felt the need to state his OPINION regarding alcohol as if it was some kind of fact.

That same person wants the whole world to join his conglomerate and insists on posting here as if he's some kind of authority on successful team building and human behavior so I found it ironic that someone like that would be publicly NEGATIVE about something might impact his ability to recruit businesses and people whose conglomerates involve alcohol.

Rather than exhibiting the behavior of someone who has more than "a little awareness of emotional intelligence"-which would include controlling his/her emotions, not making snap judgements, owning up to mistakes, and validating someone else's point of view as merely different-something team builders and OB experts would instinctively know and do-you have proceeded to smear, backbite, attack, and point fingers and engage in propaganda.

YOU made it personal. And every word you've said since is a testament to who and what you are. The potential of the Conglomerate is irrelevant if the person marketing it is an emotionally immature propagandist.

[-] 0 points by peacehurricane (293) 1 year ago

I have read this chain of comments and I find your position correct. I was in agreement as far as alcohol being not so cool. It is ridiculous that it is legal though illegal(supposed) to do whatever I so choose. My father was also alcoholic though never did stop and it has been of life long effect on me thus far. As for the weed and medical, I will not go to a doctor to be given permission to use God's healing herb period or for that matter to be allowed any kind of government assistance. It should not be required of me to see an M.D. when I do not believe and choose to be well serving One Master no man. This forum has many calling troll on what they know not to even say. I am who I am and need not disguise the truth or myself and calling names is for kindergarten. We have had quite enough along the conglomerate line is my thinking. Fresh and new are plentiful it is not necessary to attach to ideals that have harmed and remain tainted in the eyes and hearts of sisters and brothers who need to begin healing. All is well godspeed the fast track... ALL ONE in solidarity Worldwide FREEDOM!

[+] -4 points by clearsimpletruths (-204) 1 year ago

Kavatz, like many other here resort to logical fallacies of name calling, ad hominem, appeal to authority, appeal to popularity, etc... when they disagree with another user. Congratulations for using proper arguments and standing your ground. There are too few like you on this site. I hope the welcoming committee, otherwise known as the Twinkle Team (DKAtoday, shooz, GirlFriday, shadz66, and a few others) didn't turn you off the site. They usually guard this place like a pack of wild dogs and attack all new users with their test questions and inane drivel. I'm curious. Did you pass their "Acceptance Into Occupy Test", or did you fail? By the fact that you use actual arguments my assumption is you failed miserably.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26974) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

aAHhahahahaha.....talking to yourself - classic.

[-] -2 points by clearsimpletruths (-204) 1 year ago

Nope, I'm not vaprosvyeh. You can verify that with jart. As usual, you spread lies based on conspiracy theories and logical fallacies. Why not check your facts before saying untruths? It takes a sec. Write to jart.

We are the only two intellectuals here, but similarities stop at that.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26974) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Sure. You like to play the innocent don't you. Or have you ( are you VVV ? ) decided to be a partner in crime with trashy?

[-] -3 points by clearsimpletruths (-204) 1 year ago

Why don't you simply check your facts with jart. You're scared to be proven wrong? You're too lazy? You're not a fact checker, just a conspiracy theorist who likes to twinkle his friends?

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26974) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

trashy trashy trashy - go play with yourselves somewhere else - like on "your" grand forum.

[-] -3 points by clearsimpletruths (-204) 1 year ago

Checking facts is a hard job. Effort is not for everyone.

[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (26974) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Tell ya what. Why don't you ask jart to vouch for you? Or is that beyond you?

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (9780) 1 year ago

God, it is tiresome, isn't it?

Who moved the rock?

[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (26974) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I think the rock needs to be placed on another rock so that "it" can not tunnel out.

[-] -2 points by clearsimpletruths (-204) 1 year ago

You find it tiresome when one asks for evidence when he is being falsely accused?

[-] -3 points by clearsimpletruths (-204) 1 year ago

You bear the burden of proof because you made the accusation. I believe in innocent until proven guilty. If you're going to be the forum guardian and make accusations then you should take the responsibility to back them up.

I fear the time when we live in a society where our rulers accuse us of anything they want and when we demand they provide evidence they tell us to prove our innocence instead.

It sounds like you want to start such a society.

It's an extremely un-Occupy type idea you are pushing here. Almost anti-Occupy.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

[-] 0 points by clearsimpletruths (6) 4 hours ago You find it tiresome when one asks for evidence when he is being falsely accused? ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink


Falsely accused lololololol

You're a cockroach.

[+] -4 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

I'm honestly shocked, that I have a positive score here at all. Seems like there are quite a few people here who make a lot of sense that have extremely negative scores. But then again, I read content and look for facts and it didn't take long to realize what was going on behind the scenes.

It just seems amazing to me that anyone who truly wants OWS to be successful, who believes so passionately in this cause, would continually act in ways that cause obvious dissonance within even an average citizen, whether they have learned to recognize irrational arguments or not. Good, honest, moral, intelligent people don't willingly embrace yelling, name calling, weak arguments, or any other kind of verbal coercion outside of their comfort zones. If they did, they'd cease to be good.

Do you think that they are just completely blind to how obvious and destructive their behavior is? Or do you think they just don't believe it matters?

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 1 year ago

That is such a load of crap. The reality is, those who are confident in their understanding don't give two shits about name calling. Clowning the ones you respect is part of growing up in the ghetto. If you can't take a little name calling then you take yourself way to seriously or you are not confident in what you know. I have no respect for those who use civility to your face and degrade you behind your back. Those good, honest, moral, intelligent people that you believe them to be, nine times out of ten, are just two faced and lack the ability to stand up for themselves. It has been my understanding that those who don't defend themselves to your face, are the weakest individuals out there. The type of people that you praise are the type of people I find to be repulsive. They want civility because they are scared of the truth. The act of civility in a morally bankrupt society is not a sign of a good person, but it is the mark of an opportunistic, back stabber.

Though i do generalize, my generalization is closer to the truth than yours could ever wish to be.

[-] -2 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

Your life experience is clearly different than my own. The insinuation that anyone here has "clowned" me out of "respect" is certainly an entertaining one, but forgive me for doubting you to be correct about that.

Your generalizations are a "load of crap" all on their own.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26974) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Vapid & consistent - you are such a joke - having conversations with "your" other selves.

[-] -2 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

And my nickname is a transliteration and I'd appreciate it if you would refrain from mocking the languages of others like a school yard bully.

[-] -2 points by vaprosvyeh (-400) 1 year ago

Excuse me? I'd suggest you talk to Jart or whomever has access to account information instead of spewing such assumptions.

[-] -2 points by clearsimpletruths (-204) 1 year ago

They are simply blind. The people here aren't really supporters of OWS. Most have not been to a single protest. They are mostly lonely retired folks connecting from their retirement homes. Alexa rankings shows almost half the users here are above the age of 65. Nothing wrong about that, but it explains the disgruntled old man syndrome you see all around. It's basically a lot of old dudes pissing in the wind, absolutely oblivious that their childish behavior hurts Occupy.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26974) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Be sure to review who you are supposed to be. It is funny for us to watch you forget who you are supposed to be. But I suppose it irritates you somewhat to be found out by such a stupid slip.

[-] -3 points by clearsimpletruths (-204) 1 year ago

The problem is you function like a conspiracy theorist. You are too lazy to check facts. I'm not vaprosvyeh. Apart from being intellectuals we have little in common. Our writing style is different. These things escape your little mind but that's OK you can still check it with jart. Of course, you won't because people like you don't fact check. Unlike vaprosvyeh and I who use arguments, you and the other members of the Twinkle Team found your thinking on logical fallacies.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26974) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Whatever trashy.

[-] -2 points by clearsimpletruths (-204) 1 year ago

You're too lazy to check facts. You just like anecdotes, rumors, and myths.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26974) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Whatever trashy.

[+] -4 points by danya8 (-98) 1 year ago

Liberals tried prohibition before. Because as always....democrats know what's best for Americans. How did that go over asshole?

[-] 0 points by Kavatz (464) from Edmonton, AB 1 year ago

Better quit while you're ahead. Oh wait. No, wear the grudge like a crown of negativity, calculate what you will or will not tolerate, desperate to control all and everything, unable to forgive, and sinking deeper.

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

And yet its the majority of Republicans that want to keep this bullshit war on drugs going.

Freedom!! Freedom!! But dont smoke a joint or do a couple lines!!

Nothing like a hypocrite Republican deciding which aspects of freedom he/she wants to endorse.

[+] -6 points by danya8 (-98) 1 year ago

So alcohol is bad...but marijuana is good?

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Well, little cockroach these arguments seldom lead anywhere.

[+] -4 points by danya8 (-98) 1 year ago

Oh ..good answer. Next time use "I know you are, but what am I"

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

But, you aren't worth much more than that little cockroach.

[+] -4 points by danya8 (-98) 1 year ago

The resident bimbo of OWS, still searching for an answer.

Hey..how much has that deficit gone done, since we started this?...HA HA HA HA

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

[-] 0 points by danya8 (-5) 3 minutes ago The resident bimbo of OWS, still searching for an answer. Hey..how much has that deficit gone done, since we started this?...HA HA HA HA ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink


Hahahaha. You are nothing but a political whore. Anyone could have you, your mind and your keyboard for a price. A cockroach with a Koch problem.

[-] -2 points by danya8 (-98) 1 year ago

Bimbo Friday says..."Koch Koch Koch Koch Koch Koch Koch Koch Koch Koch Koch Koch Koch Koch Koch "

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

The little disgusting Koch whorin' cockroach is flailing.

The answer is very clear: Stop sucking!

[-] -2 points by danya8 (-98) 1 year ago

The Stalin lovers here, clearly crazed about a capitalist success story. Insert "boogeyman" when you see the word Koch. Same thing. Illiterate socialist morons, see their world a mess, because of two rich people.

Yea..if not for them you would be.... Oh Wait! You'd be in the same fucking LOOOOOZER place you are now...and blaming someone else.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Ah, you slimy little Koch whorin' cockroach................you don't have a case. In fact, you are still flailing.

[-] -2 points by danya8 (-98) 1 year ago

The fucking resident bimbo Girl Friday, still can't utter a reply without blaming the Koch brothers, for her miserable life.

What a fucking loser. But wait,..let me pre write the ignorant bitch's reply.

"you Koch loving cockroach"! There. Saved you from racking that pea sized brain of yours. Which is half the size a a mans. It's science.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I prefer calling you a brainless twit, for it's accuracy.

Cockroaches have brains.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

[-] 1 points by danya8 (-19) 0 minutes ago The fucking resident bimbo Girl Friday, still can't utter a reply without blaming the Koch brothers, for her miserable life. What a fucking loser. But wait,..let me pre write the ignorant bitch's reply. "you Koch loving cockroach"! There. Saved you from racking that pea sized brain of yours. Which is half the size a a mans. It's science. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink


You come in here and deliver argumentum ad nauseam for bridge to the ground and hope that you will blend in-------------Nah! You're a suck ass, slime ball koch whorin' cockroach. Now, go tell your leader that you need some new directives because you suck ass.

[-] -2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Is alcohol good but marijuana is bad?