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Forum Post: AIPAC, the Israel lobby, forces bill to block Obama or the government to enter diplomatic talks with Iran, to force a war.

Posted 8 years ago on Nov. 14, 2011, 8:30 p.m. EST by gmxusa (274)
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It reads:

(c) RESTRICTION ON CONTACT. -- No person employed with the United States Government may contact in an official or unofficial capacity any person that -- (1) is an agent, instrumentality, or official of, is affiliated with, or is serving as a representative of the Government of Iran; and (2) presents a threat to the United States or is affiliated with terrorist organizations. (d) WAIVER. -- The President may waive the requirements of subsection (c) if the President determines and so reports to the appropriate congressional committees 15 days prior to the exercise of waiver authority that failure to exercise such waiver authority would pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the vital national security interests of the United States. What does this mean?

It means that neither the president, the Secretary of State nor any U.S. diplomat or emissary may engage in negotiations or diplomacy with Iran of any kind unless the president convinces the "appropriate Congressional committees" (most significantly, the House Foreign Affairs Committee which is an AIPAC fiefdom) that not engaging with Iranian contacts would present an "an unusual and extraordinary threat to the vital national security interests of the United States."

To call this unprecedented is an understatement. At no time in our history has the White House or State Department been restricted from dealing with representatives of a foreign state, even in war time.

If President Roosevelt wanted to meet with Hitler, he could have and, of course, he did repeatedly meet with Stalin. During the Cold War, U.S. diplomats maintained continuous contacts with the Soviets, a regime that murdered tens of millions and, later, with the Chinese regime which murdered even more. And they did so without needing permission from Congress. (President Nixon was only able to normalize relations with China by means of secret negotiations which, had they been exposed, would have been torpedoed by the Republican right.)

But all the rules of normal statecraft are dropped when it comes to Iran which may, or may not, be working on developing a nuclear capacity. Of course if it is, it is obviously even more critical that the American government officials speak to Iranian counterparts.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-rosenberg/us-iran-israel_b_1074058.html

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[-] 3 points by karai2 (154) 8 years ago

Thanks for this post. I almost passed over it. This is a good example of why moderators should delete the ridiculous antisemitic threads that keep getting posted here. There is actual, important information having to do with aipac and American policy with regards to Isreal that gets lost amongst the semi-automated hate speech posts.

[-] 1 points by superomenna1 (89) 8 years ago

The hate speech on this board is a distraction from the real issues.

[-] 1 points by gmxusa (274) 8 years ago

I thought they were going to move it to another website.

[-] 0 points by Farleymowat (415) 8 years ago

No shit. You got that right!

[-] 3 points by Dutchess (499) 8 years ago

this has got to stop.

Our Government has been bought up.

[-] 2 points by gmxusa (274) 8 years ago

Dutchess, judging by the number of replies, Occupy is not too worried about this. But the good news is Occupy AIPAC is coming in March, if there is any Occupy movement left until then...

http://www.moveoveraipac.org/2011/11/save-the-date-occupy-aipac-not-palestine/

[-] 1 points by prosemitic (63) 8 years ago

March may be too late...these parasites have a long experience , they are frothing profusely to start WW3. Aipac dont hide their hand now no more...Israel does not rule USA, USA is already Israel, Americans are still in the zionist trance ....wake up or it may be too late....

[-] 1 points by genanmer (822) 8 years ago

I honestly havn't heard about Israel's heavy influence on U.S. policies until a few brought it up here.

I'm sure others here are also very interested to hear about these things.

[-] 2 points by gmxusa (274) 8 years ago

Harvard Professor Stephen Walt and University of Chicago John Mearsheimer talk about AIPAC and the Israel lobby. Both professors claim, in this video, that they are banned by the media for touching the subject. Other institutions that invited them and also the media, which failed to appear, confirmed their claim. The video, recorded at MIT is below.

http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/488

[-] 1 points by sudoname (1001) from Berkeley, CA 8 years ago

not soon enough. OWS's core issues won't seem relevant if we're at war with russia.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

I can't see Israel wanting to be at war

[-] 1 points by gmxusa (274) 8 years ago

That's why they prefer to send the Americans to fight for them.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

no americans are simply willing to go

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

absurd

[-] 1 points by gmxusa (274) 8 years ago

You mean abuse.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

Sticky_Fingers wrote


Just what the doctor ordered for our economic woes, World War 3. No one is going to sit back and allow Israel to do this, Russia and Europe will pitch a fit and I don't think America is in the mood to be dragged into another conflict even as a silent partner.


http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056439268

[-] 1 points by prosemitic (63) 8 years ago

Aipac won. Israel does not USA. USA is already Israel....it happened when Kennedy wanted out..the just blew out his brains,so no one could analyse it. They even sold off the WTC steel so no one could analyse it. Their media never allow 'open' discussions on Zionist influence in anything. Exposing the Zionist scums for whet they are is not antisemitic..it is prosemitic. OWS must occupy Aipac as soon as possible before Usa can be re-occupied

[-] 1 points by superomenna1 (89) 8 years ago

I agree.

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[-] -1 points by betuadollar (-313) 8 years ago

What does it mean? Absolutely nothing, except that some apparently are a little big-headed.