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Forum Post: ✭ After 4 Years - Is Occupy Dead? ✭

Posted 2 years ago on Sept. 18, 2015, 1:57 p.m. EST by poof (-10)
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After this 4th anniversary, what do you make of Occupy?

Is it dead? Does it only consist of the 5 people posting here, or does it still have thousands of followers? What about the unofficial leaders, does it matter that they no longer believe in protesting?

And, what are you hoping Occupy can accomplish during this 4th year?

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[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

well protesting can be a grand time especially if there's lots of people to talk to

leading and following chants also creates a group consensus that by interaction of its own

people are beautiful and pleasure to talk to

so...

i recommend raising ones voice in protest

[-] 2 points by grapes (5014) 2 years ago

I believe in protesting for positive changes but I know just how futile protesting seems when one sits in a boardroom looking out. Thousands of people outside matter not if the enforcers uphold it as private property.

Physical protesting is presenting a weakness to the enforcers' strength. The enforcers did not camp out overnight in the cold and dark. To be truly effective, the protests must get on the nerves of the enforcers and their bosses long term without provoking a forceful response.

The seeming disorganization can be a strength in disguise. Losing a suction cup here and there matters little as long as there are more tentacles whipping around for octopus sex. There is no single-point failure and protesting can be done comfortably so it can be maintained long term and worldwide. It's best to be perceived as half-dead and half-alive so that the uncertainties will drive the aspiring grippers half-happy and half-mad.

The Minutemen used this tactic against the Redcoats. Behind every tree, there may be a rifleman and everything Red is "hiding" in plain sight and within range. Planned Parenthood knows where the umbilical cord is.

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

Stop attempting necrophilia - IF you actually really do think.. ''Occupy Is Dead''!

http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-triumph-of-occupy-wall-street-by-michael-levit/

[+] -4 points by poof (-10) 2 years ago

I'm not sure if it is dead, or it isn't. I wouldn't say it triumphed in view of the fact that America is similar to what it was before Occupy started. Not much has changed.

[-] 5 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

You don't really support OWS, it seems. Your glass half empty point of view is shared here just after the Fourth anniversary/start of the Fifth year so as to share your scepticism and negativity. I know your type and it does not agree with me and as I suspect that you did not even read the linked article, so here it is again ... http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/06/the-triumph-of-occupy-wall-street/395408/

Thanks to the Occupy Movement, the American mainstream is doing something it just has not done in decades - discussing the taboo topic of social class in America. Yes, there is a class war - as Warren Buffet accepted and as he said,his class are winning it! It's been raging ever since Ronald Reagan was elected, ushering in 4 long decades of spiralling economic inequality and - a historically unprecedented upward grab of the nation's wealth by The 1% and especially, The 1% OF The 1% and for some insight into this, please try to watch this short video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM

The Occupy movement has now mainstreamed the conversation about this war. Now politicians must at least pretend to pander to the interests of the 99%. That is really revolutionary ... at least for a four-year-old Movement. By contrast, it took the women's suffrage movement 72 years - from its first convention in Seneca Falls, until the passage of the 19th Amendment in 1920 - to secure women the right to vote and the US is still waiting for its first woman president. I'm sure pundits, sceptics and neigh sayers ridiculed that movement too and declared it dead at many junctures during its long and persistent struggle.

You can choose to either support or sneer; to encourage or discourage; to express solidarity or push a Randian individuality. Only you know your own motivation and - I suspect that you'd rather be one of the 1%/0.01% than naturally feel affiliation to The 99% but I'll apologise for hurting your feelings if I'm wrong.

[-] 4 points by Viking (417) 2 years ago

Well said.

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago
[-] -2 points by poof (-10) 2 years ago

At this point no, I don't support OWS. I don't think it even really exists anymore. The leaders like Micah White and Justine Tunney don't really adhere to the original principals, etc.. There's only a handful of people left on this forum that continue to give allegiance to OWS, even though the movement doesn't do any tangible actions anymore.

All the good people have left the movement. Only fringe conspiracy theorists and time wasters remain.

What I do support is action for some of the issues that OWS was striving for. For example, I believe in socialism. I think America should strive for free healthcare and free education amongst many other things.

[-] 4 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

''I don't support OWS'' ... Oh, Okay! Technically there's nothing much more to say. But..

''I don't think it even really exists anymore'' ... Wrong - although clearly you wish it to be!

''The leaders like Micah White and Justine Tunney don't really adhere to the original principals'' ... I agree.OWS should not just be a marketing campaign and the OWS Twitter handle is being wasted.

''There's only a handful of people left on this forum that continue to give allegiance to OWS'' ...True & unlike you, as your only ''allegiance'' really lays elsewhere and maybe even with ... The 1% or 0.01%.

The ''movement doesn't do any tangible actions anymore'' ... Very Wrong and you make the choice to choose to ignore the myriad examples of ''Occupy Seeding'' mainly because you ''don't support OWS''.

''All the good people have left the movement'' ... Wrong and I/we must be a bad person(s) in your world.

''Only fringe conspiracy theorists and time wasters remain'' ... Pejorative, Prejudicial and Preposterous!

''What I do support is action for some of the issues that OWS was striving for'' ... Good but please don't merely limit the modalities and means of that ''action'' .. to your own subjective opinions and prejudices!

''I believe in socialism'' ... Really? Is that case? Then perhaps you will later try to read and consider .. http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/what_it_means_to_be_a_socialist_20150920 by Chris L. Hedges.

''I think America should strive for free healthcare and free education amongst many other things'' ...Yes agreed and that ''striving'' can and must include education, agitation and organisation - ''amongst many other things''. The richest and most powerful country on Earth CAN afford that but it CHOOSES not to.

However, as you ''don't support OWS'' - the motivations for your very presence here deserve to be questioned but especially by you, yourself and so you must now ''strive'' to try to .. know yourself.

[-] 0 points by poof (-10) 2 years ago

Perhaps I am wrong and OWS is active without me knowing it. What are the actions planned for automn? Is it possible to join them? Where? Are their Occupy camps remaining? General assemblies? I searched on this site in the infotent section and sll i find are dead projects. Perhaps the problem is simply advertising. If OWS remains active, I suggest you or some others clean up the ingotent links to show real projects and initiatives. You should also accept registrations on this site. Why not accept new members if you are going strong?

[-] 5 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

Yes you're wrong about OWS. It is active but you don't know it because you don't care to look for it, as by your own admission, you ''don't support OWS''.You already know well that Occupy Camps no longer remain due to coordinated FBI actions.Sadly this site is frankly not the site to look for a central Occupy hub. Look here instead: https://twitter.com/OccupyWallStNYC - This forum is still an active well known face of OWS but it is being wasted - due to no open ''Sign Up'' page. The owners and occupiers (ahem!) of this site as well as this Twitter Feed/Time Line - https://twitter.com/OccupyWallSt - should really ask themselves what they are doing for The 99% with these valuable resources? - Me or We? What'll it be?!

[-] 1 points by grapes (5014) 2 years ago

I wonder about accepting new members, too. Perhaps we should ask Justine directly. I recall a pretty big growth before it seemed that new members were blocked from joining. There could have been many trolls attempting to join and disrupt and Justine was overwhelmed in barring them.

She does have a full-time job so administering this site can well be burdensome. I don't blame her for the so-called "defecting" to working for Google because her cancer needed care. Google may be a corporation, a part of the Dark Side, but it can be a good Samaritan, too.

[-] -2 points by poof (-10) 2 years ago

The registration was shut just after Justine banned most of the Twinkle Team: zendog, shooz, girlfriday, shadz66... She did not want them to return. The situation now is strange because if we open the gates they could come back, but if we don't we limit the number of users.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5014) 2 years ago

Oh yes, I remember now. Some of these users were getting rather inflammatory in their exchanges and involved in twinkle wars. Justine probably banned them to tamp down the smoldering rhetorics. C'est la vie! Being I rap caught in between Iraq and Iran is no fun.

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[-] 2 points by grapes (5014) 2 years ago

OWS was an idea whose time had come. Although I know that Wall Street was involved in the fiasco, it was NOT the mastermind. Anyway, gunning for Wall Street makes sense because it was the henchman and absolutely culpable but I prefer targeting the master mind itself.

Do you believe that the police oppressors are culpable for illegitimate brutalities? Do you believe that there is a master mind behind Racism?

Our Jesus might have gone on to Heaven to prepare His Father's rooms for us. That does not mean that Christianity no longer exists on Earth. As long as there is a breathing soul who still holds Jesus's teachings dear, Jesus still lives here on Earth!

I share your advocacies although I believe that there is NO freebies whatsoever, aside from what our Father in Heaven willed to us. Healthcare and education, being necessary for the maintenance and well-being of our citizenry, should definitely be partly a shared social enterprise supported from the common coffer for the common good.

[-] -1 points by poof (-10) 2 years ago

Free healthcare and education is a way of speaking. Of course, it must be paid. I just mean paid by the state, instead of privatized.

  • Do you believe that the police oppressors are culpable for illegitimate brutalities?

Sure, if a brutality is illegitimate the person committing that brutality should be tried.

  • Do you believe that there is a master mind behind Racism?

No.

[-] 2 points by grapes (5014) 2 years ago

Taxpayers, probably both you and I, constitute the state which will pay for healthcare and education. The state is only a figment of our creation. We should therefore subject these expenditures to the same scrutinies, deliberations, and debates together with those associated with our other priorities - number one of which is to provide for the common defense because pootinium pollutes widely in our world.

I say that not only should that person be tried but found guilty and be subjected to harsher punishments than for one from the general populace. It is because the police have been trained at public expense and should definitely know better what is legitimate and what is not. High standard is absolutely required for the police to be held in honors.

There may not be a master mind behind Racism but most of us and our forebears are all guilty of either negligence or condoning the despicable practice. The most insidious form of which acts behind the victims' backs through henchmen in institutions so the victims wouldn't even know what hit them. Get General Sherman II and bring it on!

[-] 0 points by poof (-10) 2 years ago
  • Taxpayers, probably both you and I, constitute the state which will pay for healthcare and education.

Yes, that is obvious to even children.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5014) 2 years ago

It is not so obvious to people who invent labels and then use them to explain real happenings. For example, globalization causes loss of jobs. Wrong, loss and gain of jobs form part of the label of globalization so they must definitely be correlated but not really one causing the other.

I use this sometimes, too, knowingly to talk to people with this bent of mind so they can understand me. Delusions are acceptable in pedagogy but the purposes must not be impure.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5014) 2 years ago

Man, affliction by the human immunodeficiency virus has NOT quite developed into the acquired immune deficiency syndrome yet!

C'est la vie. Rejoice, no refugees yet.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8783) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I hope occupy will be a big part of electing the first Socialist President many of the founders are supporting Bernie along with Cornel West and many others, I think there is a real chance we can get this done.

[-] -1 points by poof (-10) 2 years ago

Good point. I share your hope. Bernie sanders is a cool guy.