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Forum Post: A Right - Is it a Verb or a Noun?

Posted 11 years ago on Aug. 30, 2012, 1:06 p.m. EST by TheRoot (305) from New York, NY
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I had always thought that the idea of a Right always stood for an action. I work to buy a house. I work to buy a car. I work to buy food. These activities are right for me to do in order to live, no? I am asking because many of my comrades say that I have it reversed. They say a Right is the thing that I am after. I have a right to a house. I have a right to a car. I have a right to groceries.



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[-] 2 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 11 years ago

I don't think anybody needs the right to own houses and cars and all that as long as they have a right to work.I don't have a right to work for pay;that is a favor granted by an employer based on whether or not they can find someone else who will do the same work for less money.In my case,I can't be prevented from working,so I work.There is no way for me to be paid for my work,so I work without pay.I do have a right to collect a small disability check,so I do.Without it I would have no income,because employers can't employ people whose productivity is somewhat lower due to the fact that they are disabled.Millions of other mildly disabled people like me who could work at least part time do not work at all because nobody is willing to pay to retrain us,and we are too poor to pay for it ourselves,or borrow money to pay for it either.We are relegated to The Capitalist's Scrap Heap of Excess Labor.More on The Heap after I finish struggling to gather the eggs so thoughtfully left in the henhouse by our chickens...

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 11 years ago

Couldn't help but notice that to the hens, you are the capitalist. Taking the fruit of their labor for yourself.

[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 11 years ago

1% of the people think they have a right to all of the money. Including yours.


[-] 1 points by TheRoot (305) from New York, NY 11 years ago

I get it. What they have created in place of money is debt and they force me along with the rest of the 99% to repay it along with interest. I haven't had real money in my pocket since I was old enough to work. Prior to that, my Parents didn't have real money either. In two sentences, you rehashed why many of us are involved in OWS. But you skirted the question that I implied in my post- namely what are rights? That some choose to obliterate them still leaves open the Q.

[-] 0 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 11 years ago

The right to a fair share of the wealth we helped create will take care of all the other rights.

[-] 1 points by TheRoot (305) from New York, NY 11 years ago

For example?

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 11 years ago

When a fair portion of the wealth flows through our hands, jobs, education, groceries, and a car will be within our grasp. I completely agree that these should be bought as the result of our labor, not freely given.

But isn't it obvious that when these necessities are not within our grasp, even when we do labor for them, we should still demand them anyway?

Here is a graph that shows why we are "right"-fully demanding these things.


[-] 1 points by TheRoot (305) from New York, NY 11 years ago

You have seen (and understand) how the 1% confiscate your energy and enslave you to them thru their "legalized" perversion of money, right? Take careful aim in correcting it because, in hitting the target, the necessities (and much more) will be in your grasp.

[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 11 years ago

It will take many arrows hitting the target to correct this injustice. The first objective is to recruit more archers.

[-] 1 points by TheRoot (305) from New York, NY 11 years ago

Here, for any recruit, are three laws to call for sponsorship in support of the cause in the US. Simply taking political aim with these three will be important in and of itself because corrupted politicians, crony capitalists and apologist economists who are supporting the elite will identify themselves simply by their reactions against the legislation. The more sponsors we get for these laws, the more their rats will come out from the wood work. Once passed, these new laws will go a long, long way in throwing a giant wrench in the elite's machinery and improving our lives. Imagine the effectiveness, if OWS in the US concentrated on these three.

1) Repeal federal legal tender laws

2) Repeal restrictions on private mints

3) Repeal taxes on gold and silver which prevent them from circulating as forms of payment

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 11 years ago

The root of all evil is the love of money, not because it is made of gold or silver or paper. The reason why the wealth divide is increasing is because the dollars value has been so blurred by inflation, that the majority do not know the dollar's true value, the true value of our labor, and the true value of the products we buy.

If we don't know the value of our labor or the value of the dollar which we bargain for, we can't bargain for a fair wage because we don't know what it should be. We settle for what we are offered. Take it or leave it. An employee who does not bargain is always at a disadvantage. The employer who knows both the value of the dollar and the employee's labor has the advantage.

And when we take those fewer dollars we were underpaid to the market to trade for other goods and services, again the seller has the advantage. He knows the value of the dollar and the value of the product he is selling.

We are at a disadvantage in both instances, and because we still do not know the three values, money, labor, and product, the gap of inequality will continue to widen until we are both swallowed up.

[-] 1 points by TheRoot (305) from New York, NY 11 years ago

Regarding the value of money, keep in mind that the elite and their cronies are in the same boat as you and I. Like the employee, they don't know the value of money either because they constantly erode its purchasing power through their own inflation. But more importantly, keep in mind that they don't care because in the place of real money, the "value" to them is that they have made you into their indentured servant. Unlike the historical practice of indentured servitude where the servant worked for a fixed period of time, the time you work for them is fixed for the duration of your life. Buyers and sellers, employers and employees do create and consume real goods and services. The elite count on that because they are looking to every participant in the economy to pay them interest. (I owe. I owe. It's off to work I go.) They count on governments too to line their pockets by increasing debt spending because like you and me, the government pays the elite interest. That means that every tax payer is paying the elite again because much of the taxes taken will go to servicing the debt the governments ring up. The idea of interest has been subverted by the elite because they interest they demand is on debt that they created out of nothing.

"By the balls" is an understatement because the metaphor implies that there are other parts of the body that are left free from their grip and it implies that only one gender is affected. The fact is that their larceny affects everyone- buyers, sellers, employers and employees, savers and retirees. Their grip is on our entire being- head to toe, mind, heart and soul. What employers and employees create, the elite take. What savers and retirees have saved, the elite take. No military imperialist could come close to the elite's entire domination of our lives. The imperialist conquers by killing or by threatening to kill. No slave master could come close to the elite's entire domination of our lives, either. The slave master has to feed and shelter his slaves. The money elite just have to maintain their control of money in society. They conquer by forcing you to pay interest on their counterfeit and by you coming to the simple conclusion that you will have to work the rest of your life just so that you can attempt to makes ends meet.

There is no real money. They destroyed it by making it illegal. Every dollar we have or work for is a token of an indebtedness to them. Legitimate businesses scramble to make a profit. Some of them drive their costs down by moving operations oversees. Others stay but produce less, hire less and get by. Others go out of business. Many never start one to begin with. The elite aren't stupid. They are the ones that orchestrated it. They want them there. Why kill their very source of income. Instead, they along with their crony politicians make deals with some industries about when and where they can operate. While the elite counterfeit, someone has to pay. Employees in the local economy are left holding the bag. But it's empty and the elite aren't stupid. They've been in bed with the Government in the domestic economy and create welfare schemes to buy off the workless.

When citizens agitate, they are all the more willing to placate. The elite create an industry of apologists, those economists who write and teach that the government isn't doing enough; that government is doing too much; that banking has to be regulated; that banking shouldn't be regulated; that citizens have a right to a job, healthcare, education and housing and that they don't have a right to them. The 1% are for and against because they know that as long as their counterfeiting machines are running, they will dominate no matter what. They've educated their apologists well. Economists, political theorists, sociologists, historians- most of the intellectuals in society are bought and paid for. They've trained their apologists to create fear in the masses at any time that they hear of people demanding the humane alternative to the elite's monetary system. Their pay depends on defending the 1% and the financial system created by them.

The system they created is one that they live in too. But because they created it and forced it on us by law, they know how to work it. Regarding real money, the elite do have gold and silver, the governments that they own, do have gold and silver. That is what they don't want you to even think about having. To your point, "We are at a disadvantage and the gap of inequality will continue to widen until we are swallowed up."

Civilized society advanced above barter economies because of money. Keep in mind that proper money is the property of the individual, and a means not only of his exchange but also of his savings. That's what the elite want to counterfeit and they have. Clearly then, their "money" is the root of all evil because it is no longer the property of a person but the indebtedness a person has to them to produce goods and services. Like you said it is no longer a means of exchange because its "value has been so blurred by inflation". In the history of civilization, societies rise or fall because of the rise and fall of money. Bad money drives out good. Look at the periods when that was happening for the results. In the history of the United States, three major milestones mark the decline from real money to its counterfeit. And ever since we allowed the central bank of the US to be created, the shit has been rolling down on us.

There are ~300 million citizens in this country. How many want to return to sound money isn't the question. The question is how many citizens still want to live their own lives for their own purposes and be free from the elite (or any) who are enslaving them. Those are the people to appeal to.

[-] 0 points by Archimedes (6) from Siracusa, Sicily 11 years ago

Could you be a little more cryptic please, I almost understood that.

[-] 1 points by TheRoot (305) from New York, NY 11 years ago

Yes. Bad money drives out good.


[-] 1 points by notaneoliberal (2269) 11 years ago

May you mean adjective or noun.

[-] 1 points by votepedia (1) 11 years ago

Working is a verb - "To work". The right to work is a noun. If you did your work right, that right would be an adjective. If you were to right the situation, as in to correct or make right - it would then be a verb.

[-] 1 points by notaneoliberal (2269) 11 years ago

If you did your work right-adverb.

[-] 0 points by funkytown (-374) 11 years ago

You are entitled to the pursuit of happiness... conducive to my right to deny that happiness in the pursuit of my own, conducive to the right of others to deny mine in the pursue of theirs...

Perhaps we could negotiate and arrive at some mutual consensus? And, uhh, maybe label it as "law"; just saying...

OR... perhaps we could just say this is simply what we do, what we believe, it is customary, and such is the "way"... and as long as no circumstance should ever arrive in which we vehemently disagree, all is fine, and we will live in harmony.

We all live in a yellow submarine...