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Forum Post: A question to EVERYONE who reads this.

Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 5, 2011, 6:50 p.m. EST by Sample246 (43) from Pell City, AL
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Alright. I must know this: Just how many of you are against the part they slipped into the NDAA bill about how you can be swept up and detained forever if you're even suspected of terrorism? Don't tell me it says "does not extend to US Citizens" because there are plenty of lawyers who have confirmed that it is fancy wording to hide the fact that they CAN in fact detain US Citizens. Tell me who actually thinks this is a good idea.

Now, this next question is for those of you who don't believe in any of the conspiracies and legitimately think that wall street deserves what they have and that OWS is just a bunch of lazy people, but DO disagree with this bill. Are you aware that over 90% of the senate voted yes on this bill?

If yes, then please explain to me how you can sit back and blow this off like it's no big deal and continue to allow these people to control you? Your government doesn't represent you any more. This is one big kid bullying around 50 little kids on a global scale. The status quo doesn't HAVE to be! Our government only has as much power as we LET it have!



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[-] 3 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

They know the pile of shit that is coming down the tubes, which is why they are passing this.

15T in debt and getting larger exponentially. When we go bankrupt, all hell is gonna break loose.

[-] 2 points by ThunderclapNewman (1083) from Nanty Glo, PA 12 years ago

I certainly oppose this. I'm opposed to the entire idea of detainment of ANYONE for an indefinate period. The United States is a nation of ideals and the right of habeas corpus is one of those ideals. That HAS to apply not only to we citizens, but to others from elsewhere. We are no better than our actions and no amount of high-minded words will make us better as a people. Only our acting on our principals will do that. All that is done in the name of keeping us safe at the airports, monitoring our whereabouts, etc. is a lot of hooey as far as I'm concerned. Fear mongering used for the purposes of control is not acceptable. To those who accept what is done to them in the name of keeping us safe from terrorism I say it's well past time grow a set. Our country and it's ideals require courage on the part of it's citizens. I don't like living in a nation run by punks and cowards, and neither should you. ~ Thunderclap

[-] 2 points by BroBamBud (2) 12 years ago

I, for one, am Completely Against it! Every American needs to be aware that this really IS happening.

[-] 1 points by CobyART5 (59) 12 years ago

That's right...and an Article 5 Convention is a way to get even more of our rights back as well as stop the crimes within government upon its people.

A poster here at OWS (ChristopherABrownART5) has a good plan by which we can work from. Here are his links to a process called Article 5.



[-] 1 points by Corium (246) 12 years ago

Don't blame me... I'm a libertarian. That's Republicrats passing those laws.

[-] 1 points by tr289 (916) from Chicago, IL 12 years ago

It's just one of a 1000 examples of how corrupt our government is. In time a Terrorist will be a peaceful protester. A terrorist will be a union member. A terrorist will be an idealist. A terrorist will be any one who speaks out against the banks or big business or government.

This country is taking it's last dieing breaths. I'm not so sure it can be saved because there are just to many stupid people in this country. There are to many , Republicans, who want to become corporate slaves. There are to many that want to give the rich all the power to control their entire life. Their are to many who are just flat out ignorant.

[-] 1 points by Jackofhearts (36) 12 years ago

This is why we are now a police state officially.

[-] 1 points by randart (498) 12 years ago

Funny stuff here. Where are "they" going to put everyone that disagrees with the government? It would be smarter for them to move out of the country themselves and just declare the US a prison.

[-] 1 points by PandoraK (1678) 12 years ago

I like this plan, matter of fact...I'll help them pack. Wave bye bye...

[-] 1 points by AFarewellToKings (1486) 12 years ago

shhh, don't give'm any ideas ; )

[-] 1 points by JonValle (133) 12 years ago

Against it. I read the bill. I read 1031 and 1032. You don't need a degree, just decent reading skills. It clearly doesn't exempt US citizens from detainment. What it does say is that US citizens do not have to fit the following requirements:

(A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and (B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.

What it doesn't say is that US citizens are exempt. Basically non-residents have to fit said requirements above to be in-defiantly detained but US citizens and other legal US residents can be detained without fitting into said requirements.

[-] 0 points by MVSN (768) from Stockton, CA 12 years ago

Anyone with a brain opposes it.

[-] 0 points by kingscrossection (1203) 12 years ago

Well to be honest its not a bad idea. Loyalties can be changed incredibly easy. Money or children. I bet if someone took your kids you would whatever you could to get them back. However, I think there should be some allowances such as when your children are abducted and held for ransom while you do what a terrorist says.

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

When you catch them you detain them. You dont throw them on a plane to fuckin cuba.

That is called fascism. Merging of state and corporate powers, oppressing the people, and using force to do it.

We are founded on certain freedomes here. If you want to take them away, please leave.

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 12 years ago

Now where was Cuba mentioned?

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

Where do you think they are going to take them? To the local jail?

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 12 years ago

Probably not but somewhere inside the U.S. That makes more sense than arranging an entire plane ride to Cuba.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

Tell that to Guantanamo.

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 12 years ago

There have been a total of 775 detainees since it opened in 2002

[-] 1 points by PandoraK (1678) 12 years ago

status of Guantnamo Detention facility. 6/2010


This article explains the reasoning behind 'Gitmo' not already being closed.

The current 'bill' that has potential to pass is worrisome, I suggest writing your congressman/woman and the President with your reasoning against this bill.

Forfeiture of freedom for security is no security at all.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

Right, like they are going to let us know what is really going on.

they lie about everything else, but the number of gitmo detainees, they said, eh....lets be honest for once!! HAHAHA

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 12 years ago

Well if that's your argument I can say that you have no proof in any argument anywhere because the government controls everything apparently.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

now we are starting to get on a conversation towards real change!!

Im not trying to be a nut, Im just saying that the Gitmo thing is one of the shadiest things this country has ever done. A POW camp holding people from all over, outside that country, that everyone knows about, in communist Cuba no less, broad daylight. Who knows what the hell goes on there.

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 12 years ago

I'd be more than happy to go and then tell you.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

Better you than me :)

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 12 years ago

Well how else would you suggest fixing it?

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

I guess you are right. We dont have any journalists that are pursuing, and we certainly dont have any elected leaders that are planning on closing it.

I guess we need to create out own journal teams.