Forum Post: A petition to the White House - Please sign and share!
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 7, 2011, 4:36 p.m. EST by NoneyaBiznazz
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Obama - Start coming through on the promises made during the campaign for the presidency. You lied. You won't fool us twice.
A petition for President Obama to realize that he made a lot of promises to the people of the United States when they elected him, and a reminder that he has failed on most of those promises, and in some cases done the exact opposite. Failures include collusion with Wall Street, cracking down on medicinal marijuana, extending the Patriot Act, and not only failure to end the foreign wars, but adding more conflicts to the list of foreign military engagements.
President Obama should realize that his falsehoods have not gone unnoticed, and that he should not expect a second term as President of these United States unless he rectifies his lack of fortitude and shows that he is a champion of the people, rather than, as he has shown thus far, that he is a champion of corporate interest.
If you agree with this petition, please visit the link and sign it, and share it in any way you can.
Obamas' 2012 Finance Director is the son of BANK OF AMERICAS former CEO.... the guy who got us in this mess!!! Keeping it all in the Family
This mess as you put it is a product of decades of political pandering. It has very little to do with presidents, but much to do with congressional misbehavior from the start of the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac housing giveaway. This mess has a lot to do with that decades old mistake, and is compounded by recent attempts to stop the hammer from falling. One of those attempts was the bailout of your Bank of America.
Boots
Thank you, there is definitely blame to spread around.
I can help but read the general statements as uninformed thoughts and substance lacking ignorance. I'm sorry if that hurts anyone's feelings but I support the members of OWS who want to invigorate positive movement through reasonable protest involving educated thoughts and there are a lot of people there doing that. I can only hope the narrow views either just reflect some emotional reactions based on common sense or are attempts to lead this movement into failure. Without injecting thoughts based on enlightenment, I assume you would prefer us to remain in the dark. Are we interested in evolving our minds or cycling our problems?
LOL! Really, who here believes Barry really cares what we think?
I love how Obama said he'd end the wars and then started another one in Libya. Totally amazing.
He actually said he would add troops in afghanistan. He only talked about bringing back troops from Iraq.
HOPE AND CHANGE. All you idiots that voted for that asshole deserve this economy. Fuck all of you.
Maybe some people feel the petition is incomplete. To say "most" is potentially inaccurate and at best, it's an uninformed statement. A petition should be made to help inform others, not put them in a state of perpetual fear that "most" promises were failures. Be reasonable and inform others. This is not the way. I was looking for substantial petitions that have been created from the OWS movement, this is not one of them. We are all creatures of habits and to think one person can go changing a bunch of habits without making compromises on some and delays on others is a failure of the mind. Point out the issues we need changed NOW and create petitions on such things to give the president momentum to act on them. Did we elect a dictator or someone that represents the public? Did we elect someone to satisfy the tyranny of the majority who remain silent or do we remind CONGRESS that the minority will not remain oppressed!? So yeah, I believe there are failures. But I've educated myself on a lot of them but am not so eloquent in forming petitions but I'm refining my ability to be effective by becoming educated. And to me, if I'm going to support a statement of generality, I need to spend a lot of time referencing the facts. But again, even with all the facts, the petition doesn't change anything. It's a good reminder to the president and I appreciate it for that. But NOW is the time to invoke our democracy. We waited and our patience failed us. Not the president. We elected tea party members and far right conservatives to represent us and again, we failed. We figured out our failures and formed a peaceful assembly and protest, success. We didn't define our goals and clarify our expectations, not a complete failure but not very effective so it's a compromise. The first petition I found perpetuated a generality and is moving towards making no change but the message was the point, a compromise... but an important one because it reflects the actions of our leaders. General statements, lots of arguments, no movement.
Let's be reminded by a lesson by an amazing voice who has, unlike many politicians, represents and points out failures with a very high success rate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk
So, I am not lazy. I suggested we are not educated on his failure rate because we are not educated on his success rate so I will provide some sources to help:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=110997775&sc=ot-w <--- NPR rarely lets me down for delivering great unbiased reporting. And here's a timeline that, if you are too lazy to read all the links, shows a lot of his actions and in-actions.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/subjects/politifacts-top-promises/ <--- Prepare to figure out why you already loved or already hated Obama. lol
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/obamas-promises/ <--- Tracker on several key promises
http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/ <--- A bit bias, fun facts, sources to back each
So there are probably a hundred other sources to point out the failures and the failures may outweigh the successes or compromises but if we don't educate ourselves on all of the topics, we may as well elect George Bush Jr in 2012 and continue the cycle of failed public involvement.
Elections driven by the people (americanselect.org) +Successful protests (OWS)
"This is not class warfare -- It's math" ~Obama
By the way, I'm adding my vote. I just want more. I want momentum. I take great appreciation for what OWS has done so far. So let me change the vote count from 3 to 4 as the reminder to the president to continue to reflect his motivation of 2008 is important. It's many of these comments that bother me and I feel stems from a lack of petitions.
And by the way, Obama helped create this avenue for the public to give him the middle finger about any topic and express our opinion. I have an appreciation for that. It's not perfect and it didn't change "everything overnight" or whatever you expected but I have to be thankful that the ball is starting to move in a different direction. I truly believe it takes more friction to put a stop to the "decades of failed democratic legislation" ball. Let's back our president on things he has done and keep reminding him to continue to make progress on others that haven't been given the appreciation it deserves. Meanwhile, it's a small token, but I have to be somewhat pleased... not completely satisfied... but pleased
"When I ran for this office, I pledged to make government more open and accountable to its citizens. That’s what the new We the People feature on WhiteHouse.gov is all about – giving Americans a direct line to the White House on the issues and concerns that matter most to them.”
– President Barack Obama
3 signatures so far. Not getting much traction.
The problem with Obama is that we needed an FDR and we got a Herbert Hoover.
true... there's more replies to this thread than signatures on the petition. Lame.
SOLYNDRAGATE: Huge Email Dump Implicates Obama And Rahm In Bankruptcy Scandal
http://www.businessinsider.com/solyndra-email-dump-implicates-obama-rahm-emanuel-treasury-illegal-bankruptcy-fundraiser-2011-10
Well, I guess he'll get the message WITHOUT the petition then. Thanks for the link.
LOL !! BUT it doesnt even end there !!!! Dont forget " Fast and Furious " as well http://blog.heritage.org/2011/10/04/morning-bell-come-clean-and-cut-funding/
no wonder they want to do this - " Democrats Introduce Bill to Seal Up Obama’s Presidential Records"
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/10/05/democrats-introduce-bill-to-seal-up-obamas-presidential-records/
You forgot to mention the lie when he took the oath of office.
Whatever else could be argued, the murder of an American citizen definitely violated the extremely clear wording of the 5th amendment. That was a line I expected Bush to cross. Obama does it, and .... crickets chirping.
Follow the blog Sky of Stars. Read this post: The RIght to Better Government http://theskyofstars.blogspot.com/2011/05/right-to-better-government.html
So lemme get this straight. You're motivated enough to march down to the financial district and camp out, but you can't be bothered to click your mouse a time or two?
The point of this petition is to make a statement that is directed straight at Obama. To call him out for selling us out.
Yes, he'll probably ignore it. Hell, the petition may even get taken down. But if it DOES get taken down, then that is news. That is censorship. Show it to a journalist and it'll make the media. Then he'll get the message, even if some board-jockey at the White House decides to close it down.
How you people can be so full of rage and hope and determination, yet at the same time full of utter despair and hopelessness, well, it confounds me.
Yes Obama is bought and paid for. We know it, and he knows it. But does he know that we know it? This is your chance to express your disappointment at his failure to make the promised changes.
I for one feel lied to and betrayed. Don't you?
I give up on Obama. I don't have any expectations that he will see the light. He's part of the establishment that has proven itself to be against the people.
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/10/05/democrats-introduce-bill-to-seal-up-obamas-presidential-records/
What about killing an American citizen with a drone attack? Imagine the Democrat uproar if Bush would have done such a thing. Such hypocrisy in this Country by people who label themselves as supporters of either head of the hydra. http://tiny.cc/14hi9
Whitehouse Petition = Slave Suggestion Box!
People, really, I'm just so embarrassed for you. Stop giving them ANY legitimacy!
Here's a mental trick to help you see more clearly: Just imagine all the people who call themselves "government", as members of a mafia-style gangs - Gang wars (Iraq, Afghanistan, war on terror - too many to list), turf wars (borders), protection money (police/military), gun running (military/industrial complex), counterfeiting (Fed/Treasury), gambling/prostitution (Vegas/lotteries), kidnapping (prisons), extortion/theft (taxes), hit men (CIA/SWAT), drugs (FDA) ... Of course, mafia and drug gangs can only dream of the power of government gangs - taking over education was the holy grail. Train your victims to believe that the socialism of the family can exist into wider society – monumental achievement! Write the laws that punish the slaves, but always exempt yourself and your friends. Brilliant!
I could go on and on, but you get the drift. The government is not your friend. They don’t give a shit about you – only what they can get out of you.
Then what is the point of protesting? To try to guilt trip an entity with no morals and no conscious? With your point of view, there's realistically nothing short of a full scale attack and obliteration of the financial district that's going to make a difference. Getting all 99% of the populous behind you is going to do what exactly?
I already know the government isn't my friend. You're preaching to the choir. But, do tell, what will protesting do that a petition won't? If they truly don't care, then they don't care. If they can't be persuaded with words, what makes you think they'll be persuaded by the occupation?
So the illusion of freedom will finally be lifted. Marshal law will descend. Do you think the average person will be happier being in a blatant police state than in a hidden police state?
In a choice between two police states, I refuse to choose.
You have to stop supporting the evils you claim to denounce.
http://thoreau.eserver.org/civil1.html
I would also point out that refusing to choose, ie refusing to vote, just lowers the voter participation. Low voter participation is not a deterrent. They'll continue to do whatever they want anyway. So by refusing to choose, you're choosing to do nothing. You'd be better off voting with your feet and immigrating elsewhere.
Voting IS pointless though, considering both parties are working for the same masters.
I guess I'm just venting my own frustration.
I vote. I vote for whomever I want; whomever I think will be the best candidate, whatever party they may be. If everyone voted this way, the domination of the two parties would be over in one election.
That's why people are here, because they are frustrated. But, if you read the essay I posted you'd understand why I refuse to choose. I choose to attempt to live in a manner that doesn't perpetuate any injustice..
"It is not a man's duty, as a matter of course, to devote himself to the eradication of any, even the most enormous wrong; he may still properly have other concerns to engage him; but it is his duty, at least, to wash his hands of it, and, if he gives it no thought longer, not to give it practically his support. If I devote myself to other pursuits and contemplations, I must first see, at least, that I do not pursue them sitting upon another man's shoulders. I must get off him first, that he may pursue his contemplations too. See what gross inconsistency is tolerated. I have heard some of my townsmen say, "I should like to have them order me out to help put down an insurrection of the slaves, or to march to Mexico; — see if I would go"; and yet these very men have each, directly by their allegiance, and so indirectly, at least, by their money, furnished a substitute. The soldier is applauded who refuses to serve in an unjust war by those who do not refuse to sustain the unjust government which makes the war; is applauded by those whose own act and authority he disregards and sets at naught; as if the state were penitent to that degree that it hired one to scourge it while it sinned, but not to that degree that it left off sinning for a moment. "
Damn. I'm going to have to read some Thoreau.
But what outcome do you seek? Do you expect to get the government to change? Do you expect new laws to be passed restricting corporate/governmental collusion? Do you hope to get an Article V Convention going and rewrite the whole shebang?
What is the end game? Nobody knows. Apparently because standing around being angry is all that anyone has planned out.
I support the sentiment, and I support the protests, I just don't know what is going to come of it, and nobody seems to be able to say.
What if nobody is able to say because nothing is going to come out of it?
Then the oilgarchy has already won.
Thats the biggest fear I have.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable" - JFK
If protesting has no effect, there will be no option except to escalate. And honestly, they have more guns.
The quote doesn't apply because peaceful protesting has been possible. The sustained efforts of the occupation prove this. Revolution will be impossible because there is no solutions offered. How many people do you know who run around whining and complaining, doing nothing, who are effect sources of positive change in their lives or the people around them?
The occupation movement is revealing the true flaws of democracy. http://ablogandabrain.blogspot.com/2011/10/open-response-to-occupy-wall-st-and.html
Okay, so I read your blog post there... Dumbocracy... thats catchy. But I ask you this, if democracy is wrong, or ill-equipped to make good choices for the populous, what is a better way?
How does a people guarantee that the person or persons making the decisions are doing so with the public good in mind, and not their own self-interests?
Surely the only way to avoid such a greed saturated system is to have a recognized monarch who will feel paternal or maternal concern for the governed, and take personal affront should the falter. Yet this system does not encourage personal freedoms.
So essentially, if I read your posts right, by declaring independence from England, we traded a government that cared for its subjects with one that seeks to give the illusion of freedom whilst picking our pockets.
Seems the only thing to do with any merit is to buy a box of bullets and start shooting lobbyists. Not that I'm suggesting anyone do that, as I don't have the gusto to visit such drastic measures myself.
There is no guarantee! The argument is that, if all government is inherently bad, we should have as little of it as possible. I wouldn't say we should have no government, but we've gotten into the mode of fixing every problem WITH government. What happens when the problem is exactly government itself?! A classic tactic is for government to tinker with something, break it, claim that it's broken, and then take it over claiming to fix it!
Lobbying should be a felony. That's a great place to start with a concrete goal, in my opinion.
I appreciate you taking the time to read what I wrote.
The quote doesn't say "peaceful protest" it says "peaceful revolution". While its true that the protests are being tolerated, the actual revolution is denied. Read the quote again.
With a revolution, you take one thing and replace it with another.
So....replace it with what? That's the point. There can be no revolution if there's nothing even being suggested to replace anything with.
Its a busy movement, perhaps you didn't notice the same things I did, but there have been suggestions. What is lacking is any sort of consensus. But perhaps that will come in time.
If you read the blog link, it explains why
1) there probably won't be a consensus
2) any idea agreed upon will probably be one of the shittiest ideas
3) any proposed solution won't actually address any of the problems
Under those conditions, how could anything get done? But at least everyone is having a good time.
The ineffectuality of OWS practically guarantees escalation.
I agree, he lied. But he is only one small part of the problem. And I've signed so many petitions over the last couple of years, my mouse finger hurts.
They are not listening to petitions, any more than they are listening to polls, or votes. They do not listen to the people anymore.
Obama didn't lie. He was very open about what he wanted to do. His voting record as a Seantor (voting for the bailout, the FISA amendment, war appropriations, etc) spoke volumes. People need to stop looking at what a politician says and start looking at what they do (and where they get their funding - #2 for Obama was Goldman Sachs).
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/10/05/democrats-introduce-bill-to-seal-up-obamas-presidential-records/
Wall Street and the Union put their puppet into power.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/10/07/obama-administration-shatters-campaign-promise-escalates-crackdown-on-medical-marijuana/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-broken/