Forum Post: 9/11 Whistleblower and Patriot Act Victim Susan Lindauer On Patriot Act Extension
Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 18, 2011, 12:44 a.m. EST by FalseFlag
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interesting after 10 minutes 0 seconds.
Susan Lindauer? She's the woman that had the federal charges against her dropped because she was mentally unfit to stand trial, declared delusional by both defense and prosecution doctors. The patriot act is a danger to our rights, but you've got to be able to find a better source then her.
Personally I think the Patriot Act speaks for itself. We are all its victims mentally competent and delusional alike.
I agree, but when you use the ramblings of a delusional woman to try to make your case you can do more harm then good.
Hopefully more people will read the Act, understand, and know for themselves!
Sociopaths always claim their victims are delusional. That is how they keep raping children and getting away with it all the time. That is an ancient tactic to say someone is delusional. You should listen people and consider their thoughts. Galileo was delusional as well. Look at church history, it is hard to come up with a boy who wasn't raped. In middle ages in Europe, it was like a police station in every neighborhood, priests collected women, put them in dungeon, shaved their bodies and looked for an evil sign. These women were all delusional as well. Power is corrupt and this is an ancient tactic. Patriot Act is to rape us all out of our dignity and freedoms. Oh by the way Muslims love our freedoms, check out Arab spring.
Two separate judges ruled she was incompetent to stand trial. She maintains it was all a plot to keep her silent about the truth of 9/11. I never understood why whoever had just murdered over 3000 people didn't find a more efficient way to shut her up. Her story makes no sense. A dead Susan Lindauer would be no trouble at all.
Who are these judges? You put too much fate in legal system. You should be able to decide what is right and wrong without these judges telling you what is right or wrong? She is alive because of her social position. There are many who are dead. Why don't you do something brave and go to jail and declared mentally unfit? I have evidence that she is mentally fit and intellectually strong because she makes public appearance , but I don't know if you are sane or not.
Whatever social position she has is largely a result of her book and her conspiracy theory. Judge Michael Mukasey in 2006, declared her unfit and released her. The decision was reaffirmed in 2008 by Judge Loretta Preska. They would have had access to the medical records and doctor's reports to make the proper decision. Without that i suppose if you got to know Ms.Lindauer you could make a personal judgement.
People believe what they want to, sometimes in spite of common sense and the evidence. That seems to be the nature of the conspiracy theorist. They have faith in their conspiracy, more it seems then any religious fanatic. Evidence that disproves the theory to a rational individual, demonstrates a fiendishly clever conspiracy to the true believer.
All whistleblowers are delusional, right? Why don't you listen her talk after tenth minute?
This one is and has the record to prove it. For anyone into conspiracy theories she's probably perfect. A very small dash of truth mixed with a large amounts of imagination and delusion.
This is not a conspiracy theory. There are many insiders who talk about the big picture.
I don't believe Lindauer is an insider, her fame started with her book which is about her conspiracy theory of 9/11 and the Iraq war.
There are many insiders and whistle blowers who are painting the same picture. There are thousands. They are all online, their stories are known. You probably know something about Kardasians , I don't.
Believe what you want, doesn't matter to me. The internet is full of conspiracy theories, quantity doesn't make them true. Lindauer doesn't have the credibility with the general population to be your poster child against the Patriot Act. That law should be attacked on it's own lack of merit and its danger to democracy. Using her clouds things and distracts from the more important point.
She is one of those who came out with the information that people in government knew about 911 beforehand. Isn't it worth to know that how Patriot act originated in minds before 911? It is all about Patriot Act.
It's only worth knowing about the Patriot Act form lawyers in organizations like the ACLU that have experience anticipating the dangers to our freedoms.
If you really think she's credible fine, doesn't hurt to listen to her, I find her interesting but not believable. Because of her history I find her more damaging to the cause then a help.
Don't put too much fate in attorneys either. History did not record any revolution done by suing the government.
Fine believe in no one and nothing, assume everyone is out to get you. Can't trust anything you read anywhere at any time, except for what already fits into your preconceived notions. What's left? Delusion, paranoia, conspiracy, and tin foil hats.
Where do you get your information?
I researcher her a few weeks ago when her name came up in connection with a 9/11 conspiracy theory. Her arrest came right at that time and she was claiming it was to keep her silent.
As I said above, it didn't make sense that the people that cleverly murdered thousands simply had her arrested then managed to get several doctors to declare her delusional. After murdering so many what would it take to silence her much more permanently?
I know you are not black for sure. You don't have any understanding of how society can act in a delusional manner, declaring some delusional and insane. It is possible that judges, attorneys can jump into bandwagon for some reason. Society has been capable of declaring those who believe nobody is slave and people are equal insane since thousands of years ago. You just don't get it.
I thought the same thing about them doing her in.
But again why would they go through all the trouble to prosecute a lunatic. That court part has been well documented.
Was she in fact in communication with Iraq and Libya? If so what for? She was arrested for being an unregister lobbyist
The whole thing is just pretty damn strange. There are copies of the letters she sent to Card on the net. Also copies of the shrink evaluations.
I can’t wait until the movie comes out.
Card is a second cousin I believe. She may have had meetings with Iraqi officials in and around 2002. The fact that she had a relative in the administration and that she had worked for a couple of different congressmen and a senator may have made it seem to them that she could give them influence. Her allegedly taking money from the Iraqis is what got her arrested.
why bother listening- buy her[my] book
Why do you think she was found unfit? declared delusional? Because they wanted to shut her up! Wake up man! The government is not here to do right for us, only for their needs and desires! Get richer and become more greedy is what they are!
That doesn't make any sense at all, when placed in context of her arrest. She claims she knows all about 9/11, that it was a combination hijacking and demolition put in motion by a non-arab intelligence group. The purpose was to start a war with Iraq. She claims she was arrested to keep her quiet about her 9/11 knowledge.
So if I believe her, a group that had no problem killing 3000 New Yorkers, blowing up buildings, crashing planes, starting a war to kill thousands more, suddenly decided the best way to go was just have her declared crazy and let her go?
These shadowy evil geniuses were clever enough to do all the extensive pre-demolition work to blow up the towers and keep anyone from noticing. Trick Arabs into doing their dirty work. Somehow though they couldn't manage some kind of fatal dui accident for her, or a fatal mugging gone bad. You need a lot more faith in convoluted conspiracy theories then I have to believe all that.
I donot believe in Conspiracies I believe everything is planned by the elite powerful politicians along with the powerful rich and governmental agencies. Wakeup because you are living the false American dream! there is no dream!
Lindauer is just a distraction and to use her as a source is counterproductive. I believe she's built a private world for herself you do not. Either way it's prevented us from the real topic, the Patriot Act. That should go down on it's own lack of merit. Bringing up someone of debatable mental health takes us away from the main point.
She has no evidence of explosions, she just said "My friend told me.." and "I believe it's explosions."
She contradicts herself a lot too. This 9/11 stuff is such crap, the more and more I look at the debunks, the more ridiculous the conspiracies are.
Her own paid experts found her delusional.
Why was my comment removed from this forum? I am Susan Lindauer. If you're going to attack somebody, that person should have the right to respond. Let me repeat with some Enlightenment.
First of all, the psychology papers from Maryland, where I was forced to undergo court-ordered counseling, unequivocally declared that I showed "no signs of depression, mood disorder, psychosis, and I was fully oriented to my surroundings times four." In the first 12 months after my release from Carswell Prison, 3 Maryland psychiatrists declared me competent to stand trial.
My case was Kafkaesque and absolutely corrupt. I had two attorneys-- the first was a public defender overwhelmed by the complexity of the case, who declared me incompetent 3 weeks after a classified debriefing at the Justice Dept. My Uncle Ted Lindauer had to jump in to interview witnesses, because my attorney was so non-functional. That says a lot.
I was declared incompetent on the grounds "that my desire to disprove the allegations... qualified as a mental defect." So long as I demanded my rights to a trial, I would be judged "incompetent." But if I changed my plea to guilty, I would be considered cured.
Kafka would be appalled. When I demanded a competency hearing to dispute the evaluations, the Court refused. Instead I was ordered to surrender to prison at Carswell Air Force Base, where the Justice Dept argued that I should be "detained indefinitely up to 10 years" and forcibly drugged until I could be cured of declaring that I "worked as an agent in anti-terrorism for 9 years."
At a hearing on Forcible Drugging, the chief psychiatrist at CArswell testified under oath that I "suffered no signs of hallucinations or hearing voices, no depression-- and no delusional disorder." I was "cheerful, cooperative, smiling, with good eye contact." My behavior was "appropriate," and I posed "no behavioral problems."
So why drug me at all? Oh but Congress desperately needed a scapegoat so they could protect their seats in office! At that moment, Congress was condemning the "incompetence of Assets engaged in pre-war Intelligence" as the source of all bad decision making for the War. To help out Capitol HIll, the Prosecution Psychiatrist wrote a bizarre fantasy evaluation that was thrown out by the prison psychiatrists an hour after my arrival as complete rubbish. The Prosecution psychiatrist actually rewrote my private papers to appear more extremist. We have the originals. They are not the same documents. Because I was denied a competency hearing, we had no opportunity to challenge the revisions.
It was a terrifying experience-- and it demonstrates poignantly how deeply corrupt the Justice Dept has become.
Now, my SECOND ATTORNEY, Brian Shaughnessy KICKED BUTT!!! He wiped the floor with these guys. He stopped them from taking me back into custody-- which the Prosecutor fought aggressively to do. The more radio interviews I gave, the harder they fought to seize me. But now that I had a superior attorney (former senior federal prosecutor & AMAZING ATTORNEY), we had them cornered.
Shaughnessy forced the Court to grant me a competency hearing 20 months after my release from prison. In it, we proved that I gave advance warning about 9/11 & that I indeed functioned as an Asset supervised by known members of U.S> Intelligence.
Nevertheless, the Court of Judge Loretta Preska declared me incompetent a second time--- over the objection of my attorney-- for which there is no legal precedent int he U.S. Courts. Nine days before her decision, Preska was nominated to the Appellate Court by lame duck George Bush (which Obama rescinded). And we discovered that Preska's husband was one of the attorneys for Daddy Bush.
Ugly, ugly, ugly, ugly!! If the corporate media had jumped in, and scratched the surface, it would have been a massive story. White House Chief of Staff, Andy Card's cousin, warned AG Ashcroft's personal staff about 9/11 in Aug. 2001, and negotiated a comprehensive peace framework with Iraqi diplomats. Now in prison on Carswell Air Force Base. Threatened with indefinite detention for 10 years and forcible drugging with Haldol, Ativan and Prozac-- until she recants. Psychologists in Maryland say there's nothing wrong with her!!!
That's not a news story? Oh, Kim Kardashian was getting a manicure! It's a tight news cycle. Angelina Jolie wore an identical dress to Scarlett Johanssen. Who can compete with that!!
You don't have to prove that you are sane and balanced. People see your videos and conversations, people know you communicate very well and respond to questions accordingly. There are already many people who believe you and your story fits very well in reality and in the puzzle. There are many annoying people on this forum who want to sabotage our communication and free thinking. Please ignore these people. Thank you for joining in the conversation and try to stay alive and healthy. We all know how corrupt people in government think and act, so please don't try to prove you are sane. We all see you, hear you and know that you are mentally and intellectually strong. You will become even more known in the future, and you will be invited to many places. Keep your calm forever. Best. OWS people and all other intellectuals.
It wasn't removed. If someone dislikes your post down to -4 it collapses the tree. You should be able to see your first post now.
Oh I see! So if they like attacking me--- and the actual facts are less appealing than the lies, then the truth gets eradicated. Sounds like politics in Washington. If you repeat a lie frequently enough, the truth doesn't matter. I will keep reposting it.
GirlFriday was wrong, They deleted you, (maybe after her post?). What she told you is true. You don't normally get deleted you just get hidden unless somebody choses to open you post
Anyway, I asked the question. Where you actually on the payroll of the CIA?
Another question. Do you think that OWS is a response to what transpired in the markets because of 911
One more thing-- And it's bad news for all of us. I was the second non-Arab American after Jose Padilla arrested on the Patriot Act. I will not be the last.
The Patriot Act was designed to sabotage a movement just like Occupy Wall Street. Every activist and free thinking American is at risk under this law. And you guys seriously underestimate how it works. I got hit with secret charges, secret evidence, secret grand jury testimony. Exculpatory evidence was "classified" so the prosecutor could deny evidence of my innocence in court. Very scary stuff. I got locked in prison on Carswell Air Force Base, denied attorney & family visits until Judge mukasey ordered U.S. Marshals to stand by to escort my Uncle & attorney onto the base. I was threatened with indefinite detention for 10 years--- with a flat denial of my right to a hearing, in case maybe I was telling the truth.
Scary, scary stuff! A lot of people are tired of the 9/11 debate, but you're seriously handicapped if you don't understand the maliciousness of the Patriot Act.
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Patriot Act is a tool for the powerful to be used against 99%. As you mentioned we don't have that many terrorists. It is intended to create something, not to prevent something. It is to maintain current situation, it is not a solution for anything. It is for fear, for Muslim scare.
Sorry, I just tried to answer you! No, I was not on the CIA's Payroll. I was a back channel to Iraq and Libya from 1995 until 2003, with the full knowledge of both governments. The U.S. asked me to do it because of my activism against sanctions and war. Both Iraq & LIbya appreciated it very much. What's significant was my focus on anti-terrorism--- and therefore I had primary knowledge of gross distortions & fraud by Republican leaders in creating or inventing the War on Terror.
When they decided to exaggerate the non-existent threat--- and hide U.S. complicity with the 9/11 attack, also Iraq's substantial desire to provide valuable assistance to the War on Terror-- they had to eliminate my voice. Iraq had agreed to a comprehensive peace framework that would have handed over financial documents on Al Qaeda figures to an FBI Task Force authorized to operate in Baghdad. The U.S. never had to fire a single shot. No Iraqi child had to die. There was no reason to spend $4 TRILLION DOLLARS, or an 81 % increase in military spending.
We bankrupted our nation for no reason at all. That's why I suffered all this crap, because I was at the eye of the hurricane for 9/11 and Iraqi Pre-War Intelligence.
What exactly is a back channel? Who were you actually working for and who was paying your expenses? How did you end up in this back channel position? I am not trying to be annoying, I just find your story intriguing. I feel privileged to be able to ask you questions. Thanks for coming on this site.
I was fulfilling the role usually handled by diplomats. I would communicate messages back and forth between U.S> Intelligence & Libya/Iraq. The Arab govts greatly appreciated my work at the U.N. against sanctions, and I was well known on the Security Council. Whether they liked my politics depended on their position on sanctions, but I was well known there. It's only the American public that was ignorant of what I had done for years.
When the CIA got warnings about 9/11, in April & May of 2001, I was ordered to deliver threats of War to Iraq's diplomats at the United Nations-- in the event that Iraq discovered intelligence about the conspiracy & failed to pass it back through my back channel. I was instructed to say the threat originated, and I quote "at the highest levels of government above the CIA Director and above the Secretary of State." That was the exact wording.
The Bush White House was already setting up Iraq. Of course Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Again, even if you're tired of 9/11, you've got to know what actually happened, so that you can understand why the War on Terror has been a public fraud to exaggerate White House & Congressional performance on national security. You can't fight back without the facts. You don't need all the details about 9/11 to do that. But you have to know that it was an act of public deception in total. The whole thing was a con job on the American public.
It was a con job. It ruined the economy and the country. I wonder if there is a way back?
Thanks for the response Susan but you forgot to answer my questions.
What exactly is a back channel?
Who were you actually working for and who was paying your expenses?
How did you end up in this back channel position?
I am really curious as to how somebody could end up in such a influential position.
After my post. Because I moved it from -4 to -3 to show her.
Look down below, there is a deleted comment. I had expanded her post earlier and commented. Now her post is gone, but my comment is still there
I saw that. And I initially thought that having seen that she deleted it. Either way, we know it was there before and we know it is now really deleted.
When I saw that it was now posted twice, I re-deleted it myself.
Good deal!
Thanks for the effort
Power of media and manipulation and propaganda. Lies become truth, truth become lies. That is why we are fighting, to stop such a power to enslave us mentally and physically. They already tried to enslave you in both fronts, but you fought back. Thank you for being brave. Many people know what really is going on so you will get a lot of support if you become active and go to universities to give speech.
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So did you actually draw a paycheck from the CIA?
Check out all of the web sites that explain her working for the CIA
then check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Lindauer
to see her amazing CIA experience
Remember Heave n's Gate - they did not understand that there was a conspiracy to keep them OFF of the comet And Jim Jones - there was a conspiracy to attack his People's Temple
And buy susan's book while you are changing your straight jacket.