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Forum Post: 9 Ways Ayn Rand Libe(R)tarianism is Screwing Over Todays Youth.

Posted 1 year ago on June 17, 2013, 4:17 p.m. EST by shoozTroll (17632)
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"Conservatives keep claiming liberals want a “cradle-to-grave nanny state.” That rhetoric has distracted us from the real social re-engineering taking place all around us. The right, along with its “centrist” collaborators, is transforming our nation into a bloodless and soulless Randian State.

Their decades-long assault on our core social values is on the verge of consuming its first complete generation of Americans. Born at the dawn of the Reagan era, Millennials were the first to be fully subjected to this all-out attack on the idea that we take care of each other in this country, and they’ll pay for it from the cradle to the grave.

Some of us are the parents of Millennials. Who’ll fight with them, and for them?

The Psychosis

The Simpsons made a running joke out of Springfield’s “ Ayn Rand School for Tots,” where toddlers fend for themselves in playrooms whose signs say things like “Helping is Futile.” That’s very funny. What is happening to our country isn’t.

A successful social contract has bound us together since the FDR era. The Randian State is an effort to dismantle it, replacing our nation’s web of mutual trust and support with a lifelong helplessness and dependence on the whims and generosity of corporations and ultra-wealthy individuals.

The Randian State is built in the morally depraved mold of right-wing über-heroine Rand, who reviled the less fortunate – and even those who tried to help them – as “ parasites,” while at the same time idolizing sociopathic killers. "

Read the rest.

http://www.alternet.org/ayn-rand-0

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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (24943) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You struck a nerve with this post - our resident troll/shill/onanist/Randian trashy-can has been busy voting down all comments on this post - the silly impotent sucker.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Dishonesty reigns.

Let the distractions continue, unabated.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (24943) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You need a break.

Try this for a start

Oh, mercy mercy me

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 1 year ago

One for the resident 'onanists' :

fiat lux ...

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (24943) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Don't forget to feed the spirit.

Marvin Gaye "What's Going On" (1971)

Mother, mother There's too many of you crying Brother, brother, brother There's far too many of you dying You know we've got to find a way To bring some lovin' here today - Ya

Father, father We don't need to escalate You see, war is not the answer For only love can conquer hate You know we've got to find a way To bring some lovin' here today

Picket lines and picket signs Don't punish me with brutality Talk to me, so you can see Oh, what's going on What's going on Ya, what's going on Ah, what's going on

In the mean time Right on, baby Right on Right on

Father, father, everybody thinks we're wrong Oh, but who are they to judge us Simply because our hair is long Oh, you know we've got to find a way To bring some understanding here today Oh

Picket lines and picket signs Don't punish me with brutality Talk to me So you can see What's going on Ya, what's going on Tell me what's going on I'll tell you what's going on - Uh Right on baby Right on baby

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I see no reason for the author to apologize. At all.

The Nation at Risk propaganda is rather odd. It isn't that the information is hidden. It isn't that nobody is unaware of Bell's great contribution. It is the fact that you have an entire group of people that refuse, and I mean refuse, to actually read it or about it. Which is really funny in an insane way. Much discussion of critical thinking but not much of it actually happening. Many of them just flat out do not have the cajones to actually engage in what this entails.

[+] -15 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

You mean stuff like #5?

  1. Making college unaffordable.

The University of Virginia’s Miller Center conducted a study for the National Center for Public Policy and Higher Education and found that “Since the mid-1980s” – roughly the start of the Millennial Generation -”the costs of higher education in America have steadily shifted from the taxpayer to the student and family.”

Median family income have risen by 147% since then, while college tuition and fees rose 439%, a tripling of education costs in real dollar terms. The impact has been greatest on lower-income families, sounding a potential death knell for social mobility.

From the New York Times: “Among the poorest families … the net cost of a year at a public university was 55 percent of median income, up from 39 percent in 1999-2000.”

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Yep. That would be it. But included, the studies at the time of a Nation at Risk showed the exact same thing that the studies before and afterwards had shown. Poverty is the issue.

[+] -16 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

6 and 7 lead the way in creating more of that.

  1. Leaving graduates drowning in debt.

The misguided ‘privatization’ of Sallie Mae, the government’s student loan enterprise, led to a series of political and financial scandals. (See “ Sallie Mae’s Jets.”) It also contributed to an explosion of student loans, many of which went to highly dubious ‘colleges’ which issued high-cost, worthless degrees. Many other students went to more legitimate institutions, but found themselves drowning in debt.

Now 7.4 million students are about to see a doubling of their interest rates unless something is done. Elizabeth Warren has proposed given them access to the Fed’s ultra-low rates for banks, while more modest proposals would keep current rates in place.

The student debt situation for Millennials would be morally unconscionable even if rates remain at current levels. Anything else is shocking to contemplate. The UPI reports today that Sen. Lamar Alexander said the President and Republicans “agree” on what should be done.

That’s not reassuring.

  1. Massive unemployment.

There are 10 million unemployed young people in the United States. The official youth unemployment rate is 16.2 percent, the adjusted rate (including discouraged workers) is 22.9 percent – not much better than the Eurozone’s – and the anemic ‘jobs recovery’ is even weaker for Millennials.

The crisis covers everything from high-school-age summer and after-school jobs to employment after graduation.

Studies show that youth unemployment lowers income for the rest of a person’s life. That means this crisis is urgent as well as massive. Every passing month harms the future of an entire generation. What immediate, major measures are being proposed to address this emergency?

[-] -2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

maybe income should be distributed more fairly

[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Why be PC? It isn't misguided. I hate that term as much as grow.

Misguided implies that those poor shmucks didn't know any better.

[+] -17 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I think they're admitting that Reagan was incredibly addled.

Still, you're correct, those that guided him knew exactly what they were doing.

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[-] -1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

I wish I was youth

I also have no job

[+] -16 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Move to S.E. Michigan. Rumor has it the big 3 are about to go on a hiring binge.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

i live in CA

[+] -15 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I knew that.

I'm just sayin'.

[-] -3 points by klavvon (-7) 1 year ago

Really? The author is hinging his rant on "The Simpsons"? I stopped reading after that.

Verdict: trash. Not worth any more time.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

southpark

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[+] -15 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Why?

That was just an introduction.

What would you prefer to read? Something on Hinkley?

[+] -7 points by Stormcrow2 (-184) 1 year ago

The way I see it is like this - Way back when when this country was manufacturing - and that was not so long ago, people who worked at these facilities were making great wages.

In addition to that the middle class working folks made a good living and were able to pay the higher prices for goods and services.

As time went on, baby boomers were being laid off of really good paying jobs and young college grads were hired to take their place at half the pay rate.

This happened because these college grads were given titles and it made them feel "really important". They weren't concerned about how much they were making because they had "authority".

Well as time went on, China started importing their cheap products and people started buying them up - putting manufacturing plants out of business.

There was little or no concern about people losing jobs because of this - hell they could pay $20. for a microwave from China instead of $80 - $100 for a microwave made in the USA.

It all goes back to not having loyalty towards our country nor concern for our fellow man.

So here we have young college grads with low paying jobs but they have "authority" and that's what makes them feel good.

Well the shit hits the fan and now everyone is complaining about "being poor" or not making a decent wage.

Well who's fault is that - the Baby Boomers were already being pushed aside for the X, Y generations cheap "college" labour and the rest is history.

Look at who's managing stores, restaurants, fast food chains and within the corporations accounting, billing, or any other job that requires a college degree.

They all took it on the cheap and now everyone is complaining and wondering why there are no jobs that pay well.

Now that is not to say the construction industry went the same way, for it didn't because those people have more sense.

[+] -6 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Bullshit. The good old days started declining in the late 1960s. You forgot to mention union busting which has heavily influenced our economy. The Boomers were the only generation where you could get a degree in anything and advance in any field. Didn't matter what your major was in. You also forgot the use of industrial psychologists.

It was reported at while Generation X was growing up that this group was rather small........it became an excuse to bring in undocumented workers. It was really used as tool to depress wages.

The big picture is that making some psychotic attempt to blame the younger generations is just as bad as trying to blame the Boomers. No generation has as much "power" as they are led to believe. The only thing that changes is technology. Historically, people have always sucked.

[+] -16 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

The way I see it, is that you didn't read the article.

[+] -16 points by DKAtoday (24943) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Post has been up for an hour and the corp(se)oRATist shills have not chimed in yet?

Figures.

They no doubt would like to see this post about their heroine disappear quietly.

[+] -16 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

There's that and the simple reason that all 9 are exactly what's been going wrong since the 80s and dissemination of truth, is exactly what they are averse to doing....

Hence, they ignore the thread, or attempt to change the subject.

[+] -15 points by DKAtoday (24943) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

That is what corp(se)oRATist shills do. Besides trying to sow disinformation.

[+] -15 points by DKAtoday (24943) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Yep - they don't want the idiocy/insanity that they support to be recognized = http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/06/17/2165671/rick-scott-paid-sick-leave/

[+] -15 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I suppose that's why no one mentioned this.

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/06/15/bernie-sanders-calls-monsanto-killing-gmo-labeling-amendment.html

Too partisan??? LOL what a crock.

And you know they already buried this.

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/15650-monsantos-next-target-democracy

when ALEC is involved, we're not supposed to notice.

[+] -14 points by DKAtoday (24943) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

we're not supposed to notice.

Of course not.

trashy-can has been sending me PM's about how awful it is that shills - supporters of corp(se)oRATists R being slapped down. Silly F'n Asshole. Oh it also said that "IT" gave GF all of those positive votes for her comments that R in the Positve comment box today - so much 4 "it's" not using socks to make votes or comments or anything - Hey?

[+] -15 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

It's always expected everyone to be as obsessed with it as it is with itself.

An obsession that is for the most part important issue free.

Honesty was NEVER it's strong point.

Dishonesty was and still is.

[+] -15 points by DKAtoday (24943) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

It's mission has always been one of disinformation. Ummm - Besides tearing down the forum.

[+] -15 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

But it pretends to be SO many puppets.

It's hard to tell, which one's which, so they should all just go.

[+] -13 points by DKAtoday (24943) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Absolutely - ALL Shills Must Go. No argument here. All attackers of OWS/Occupy and all affinity groups working for a healthy and prosperous world for ALL - must go.

[+] -13 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Sowing distrust among posters was always it's aim.

That's what puppets do.

The question, is whether the site can rebound from that, even if Mr. Puppet is finally gone forever.

[+] -13 points by DKAtoday (24943) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

The question, is whether the site can rebound from that, even if Mr. Puppet is finally gone forever.

I think so - once the shill(s) have been booted - once real posts are commented on without their interference.

[+] -14 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I have my doubts. I got a minus 6, just for mentioning it.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (24943) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

trashy-can writhing ( correction -> ) in impotent rage - The silly sucker.

[+] -17 points by DKAtoday (24943) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

"Conservatives keep claiming liberals want a “cradle-to-grave nanny state.” That rhetoric has distracted us from the real social re-engineering taking place all around us. The right, along with its “centrist” collaborators, is transforming our nation into a bloodless and soulless Randian State.

Funny that it is the red states that get the most in public support.

Does that mean they think that properly functioning blue states would like to have more public funds? Hhmmmm - I don't think so.