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Forum Post: 4 Steps

Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 9, 2011, 6:04 p.m. EST by FUCKTHENWO (280) from RIVERDALE, MD
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  1. End the Federal Reserve Board.
  2. Outlaw lobbyists.
  3. Dissolve the current government and re-elect.
  4. Develop a resource based economy.

Project Earth: A Resource Based Economy Explained http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDhSgCsD_x8

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[-] 1 points by Sulaymani (8) 13 years ago

There's not enough gold in the world to go back on the gold standard.

Not all lobbyists are bad, for instance 4-H and the boy scouts have lobbyists

How will we have elections without a government to run them?

A resource based economy is an economy with a finite lifespan. Besides, there's more money in the finished product.

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[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 13 years ago

These goals are all quite possible to achieve, and although I'm all in favor of taking down today's ineffective and inefficient Top 10% Management Group of Business & Government, there's only one way to do it – by fighting bankers as bankers ourselves. Consequently, I have posted the Strategic Legal Policies, Organizational Operating Structures, and Tactical Investment Procedures necessary to do this at:

http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/on_strategic_legal_policy_organizational_operational_structures_tactical_investment_procedures

Join

http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/

if you want to support a Presidential Candidate Committee at AmericansElect.org in support of the above bank-focused platform.

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[-] 1 points by mdsmithbsc (27) 13 years ago

We have a resource based economy. Economy's goal is to attempt to satisfy unlimited wants with limited resources.

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[-] 1 points by FUCKTHENWO (280) from RIVERDALE, MD 13 years ago

Watch the video, we don't have anything that even slightly resembles a resource based economy. We live in a paradigm of infinite growth, on a planet with finite resources.

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[-] 1 points by mdsmithbsc (27) 13 years ago

Yes. That's what I said. Economics' goal is to manage those limited resources. I can't watch the video, but the name implies what is reality.

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[-] 1 points by FUCKTHENWO (280) from RIVERDALE, MD 13 years ago

I don't follow your logic. If we based everything on its name we wouldn't go very far, now would we?

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[-] 0 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 13 years ago

in order to achieve a resource based economy, we would prolly best start at confronting the cult noise and nonsense generated by the chief proponents of that- its fine idea but they need to redefine it according to science instead of ignorance, pipe dreams, and poetry.

to get serious requires a few things they don't have. like chat admins who aren't ego serving propaganda tools, a wiki, 1001 sub forums, an actual game plan, a straight up political platform... you know.. basic organizational things sane people do BEFORE protesting.. like figure out a diplomacy and logic centered metaprocess to give their chatadmins so that they don't really just drive out even more people than the trolls. Adminatrolla. trollaAdmin. Whats the difference to somebody whos got the truth facing a propaganda tool abusing admin powers to push their agenda? how can you prevent such a thing? Metaprocess. did i mention metaprocess? and science diplomacy science psychology science sociology and all those textbooks to read B4 protesting?

you can't have capitalism without a free(SLAVE) market. but you can have a free market without capitalism. And thats strangely the only way it CAN work.

Marketing 101 was fascinating. I admit thats a lot less than a bachelors but its sure more than enough to see whats really going on given the other things I know. Capitalism is not the problem since it does not exist. corporate oligarchy is the problem. capitalism has never been tried. I am a democracy guy. in order for real democracy to function a free market system is required. Thats not capitalism. thats a free market system. there is a subtle difference there which most people would miss. I will again repeat. Neither capitalism nor marxism nor communism nor socialism has ever existed. All of those governments were oligarchy pretending to be something as a con scam. Telling that simple truth gets one banned out of the Chat by either a capitalist or a socialist whos pissed you just said their pet ideology isn't real. It isn't. anybody who thinks that it is is accidentally playing for team corporate oligarchy as a tool. the ONLY system worth talking about is DEMOCRACY. how democracy HANDLES a FREE MARKET system is dynamic and interesting and NOT capitalism.

o. yes. no. yes. what? making change is not reliant on changing the money system one tenth as much as it is on changing the informational ecology. Going to a gold standard as an idea is a proof of ignorance, not a solution. Really the end game is we evolve out of money. To do that we evolve first new currencies and new economic strategies. this leads to economic singularity in about 50 years. If everyone is a millionaire how much you get depends on exactly the material valuation of that money. Which is to say that by the time money becomes obsolete everyone will live like the current millionaire. Tangible items to other tangible items? the real economy is about ideas, change the ideas and everything changes. the problem with the tangible economy is it does not change; its a static reality. you can't make a meaningful gold standard with only enough gold to represent on millionth of the economy. You can make a purely imaginal money system work; but it has to be subject to moral and ethical laws. This is about pinning down those moral and ethical laws and implementing them in new currencies; not trying to imagine a control freak impossible non solution because of the simplicity with which you go about thinking over the problem.

once again. there has never been a socialist or capitalist economy. in all instances such nations were oligarchies. using a mask and a con scam and telling their dupes and pwns that they were something other than oligarchy. the big hump to get over is that the USA oligarchy and the Soviet oligarchy are in on this lie against the rest of us TOGETHER. Neither of them was ever anything other than an oligarchy. both claimed some other system in order to have US fight over the ideals of THAT system while they secretly shafted us all playing a completely different game.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/stop-playing-the-devils-games/

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150343790359248&set=a.10150264906064248.348293.511989247&type=1&theater

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[-] 1 points by FUCKTHENWO (280) from RIVERDALE, MD 13 years ago

I agree that Capitalism was a great system for 1800. I like your rants but they're difficult to get though the whole thing haha

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[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 13 years ago

in 1776 the standard communication was several pages long. thats why things are going to shit - ignorance and lack of attention span.

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[-] 1 points by FUCKTHENWO (280) from RIVERDALE, MD 13 years ago

True that. Too many movies fucked my ability to read. What's your belief though...you share a lot of ideas that I like but it's hard to find a cohesive argument. Resource based economy or no? How we get there is next month's story.

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[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 13 years ago

i am for a resource based economy but against the cults which started that. here are details and details into that.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=169262663125231#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=165096780208486 V.I.I.R.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=docs#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=168277696557061

University Project First Steps

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=docs#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=168279776556853

University Project Brainstorm

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=docs#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=168142193237278

NICE University

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=docs#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=167877999930364

Psychonautics Textbook

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=docs#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=167448986639932

Socratic Method

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=docs#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=166330673418430

Different Kinds of Geothermal Power

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=docs#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=166259990092165

Common Myths and Misconceptions About Geothermal Power

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=docs#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=166255476759283

Zero Carbon Cities

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=docs#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=166254060092758

Energy cost Benefit Analysis

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=docs#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=166057976779033

Applications In Practice and Theory for Arcologies

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=docs#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=166041926780638

Mega Scale Engineering Criteria

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=docs#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=163547577030073

main Problems Clusters

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=169262663125231#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=165334013518096

sugestions on how to proceed

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=169262663125231#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=165099426874888

WAR vs Economic Social Justice

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[-] 1 points by FUCKTHENWO (280) from RIVERDALE, MD 13 years ago

I feel you. Zeitgeist is too confrontational when it comes to religion in my opinion. I'm agnostic but I realize that there are many different religions with very strong belief systems backing them. No economy, no matter how good it can function will eradicate their belief systems. God is just an evolutionary tool we humans picked up somewhere along the line to understand the unity of life.

Also, soooooo many links. Overwhelmed me.

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[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 13 years ago

yeah, i have a flood of information to share. one proof that they are trolling fascists is how they handle the issue of religion. There is a difference between confronting religions intellectually and trolling religions generally. They are anti religion trolls. Since your overwhelmed- heres more...

lol

General

  1. Sociology is the study of groups of people, how they interact, how they create and hold group structures and group identities, how they band together, how they deal with conflicts, and everything that whole groups of people do.
  2. Sociology studies social units such as families, packs, tribes, villages, cities, hives, herds, and mobs.
  3. The precarious balance of true democracy is that society must balance social welfare and social support and services against the counterweight of free enterprise. If the balance falls off towards social welfare, the society falls into entropy as the government destroys private enterprise to fund social services. The result is socialism, which always decays into its own form of totalitarianism. If the balance falls off the other way, then free enterprise results in a plutocracy and then an oligarchy followed by mild oligarchic mercantilist fascism and then a severe oligarchic fascism. Socialism is not a whole goal or endpoint we wish to arrive at, but the system "as is" is out of balance resulting in a corporate oligarchy. The only way to fix this is to return the power back to the people and restore a genuine democracy.
  4. Sociology understands that social phenomenon are very complicated, and that social problems have many underlying contributing causes for any given effect. Oversimplification, blaming, black and white thinking, and false dilemmas do not help to solve problems in a real way.
  5. People are conditioned to behave by their social environment. Personal responsibility is important, but where statistics show a trend in negative or antisocial behaviors, Society as a whole must shoulder some part of the blame and work to improve conditions socially just as it works to rehabilitate the criminal, so should it seek to rehabilitate itself.
  6. People have several layers of personal space, a psychological truth which is mostly subliminal, but which nonetheless governs almost all social interactions. People should learn to consciously understand personal space to cut down on miscommunication and stress due to problems handling personal space issues.
  7. The best way to run a democratic system is by using consensus process to the point of a clear and overwhelming (two thirds) majority. Consensus process means talking about and working out issues and differences to arrive at a mutually beneficial compromise much of the time.
  8. The best guardian of the balance between socialism and free enterprise is intellectual meritocracy. A functional society should be free of propaganda, should not have anti-intellectualism, and should consider ideas on their rational merit, not according to what others have to say or social pressures, but by means of a reproducible rational problem solving application of intelligence and knowledge.

Sociology Introduction; http://www.thomsonedu.com/thomsonedu/discipline.do?disciplinenumber=14 http://www.polity.co.uk/sociology/sociology_txtbks.asp http://highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/007240535x/student_view0/chapter1/chapter_summary.html http://www.sdsmt.edu/online-courses/is/soc100/Intro.htm http://www.sdsmt.edu/online-courses/is/soc100/course.html http://www2.wwnorton.com/college/soc/giddens5/ http://www.camden.rutgers.edu/~wood/207syl.htm http://core.ecu.edu/soci/juskaa/SOCI2110/soci1.htm

Types of Government; http://stutzfamily.com/mrstutz/WorldAffairs/typesofgovt.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/find_out/guides/world/united_nations/types_of_government/newsid_2151000/2151570.stm http://home.earthlink.net/~kingsidebishop/id2.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_of_government http://www.twyman-whitney.com/americancitizen/foundations/types_of_government.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_forms_of_government

Social Conditioning; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_conditioning http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operant_conditioning http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070406120833AAzVVlZ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_learning_theory http://www.dailyom.com/articles/2006/4952.html http://changingminds.org/techniques/conversion/social_psychological_conditioning.htm http://www.winthrop.edu/english/nosearch/core/social.htm

http://go.hrw.com/hrw.nd/arbiter/pRedirect?project=hrwonline&siteId=804&pageId=6362

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Introduction_to_Sociology

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociology

http://www.asanet.org/

http://www.sociology.org/

http://www.macionis.com/

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[-] 1 points by FUCKTHENWO (280) from RIVERDALE, MD 13 years ago

I like the sociology shit, but idk. I agree with you that Zeitgeist does not know how to properly implement the system that Jacque Fresco designed, but I still believe that this system needs to be implemented somehow.

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[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 13 years ago

you and me both. Its a very hard nuanced place to be. I agree with the general principles but find that these should have been could have been allies are ignorant and clueless and angry and shrill and fascist. I have tried to help them tirelessly over several years to no avail.

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[-] 1 points by FUCKTHENWO (280) from RIVERDALE, MD 13 years ago

Keep doing your thing. No one man will change the world, only we the people.

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