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Forum Post: 30 Signs That The United States Of America Is Being Turned Into A Giant Prison

Posted 3 years ago on Nov. 29, 2011, 3:45 p.m. EST by Dutchess (499)
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http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/30-signs-that-the-united-states-of-america-is-being-turned-into-a-giant-prison

If you live in the United States of America, you live in a giant prison where liberty and freedom are slowly being strangled to death. In this country, the control freaks that run things are obsessed with watching, tracking, monitoring and recording virtually everything that we do. Nothing is private anymore. Everything that you do on the Internet is being monitored. All of your phone calls are being monitored. In fact, if law enforcement authorities suspect that you have done something wrong, they will use your cell phone microphone to listen to you even when you think your cell phone is turned off. In many areas of the country, when you get into your car automated license plate readers track you wherever you go, and in many major cities when you are walking on the streets a vast network of security cameras and "smart street lights" are constantly watching you and listening to whatever you say. The TSA is setting up "internal checkpoints" all over the nation, Homeland Security is encouraging all of us to report any "suspicious activity" that our neighbors are involved in and the federal government is rapidly developing "pre-crime" technology that will flag us as "potential terrorists" if we display any signs of nervousness. If you are flagged as a "potential terrorist", the U.S. military can arrest you and detain you for the rest of your life without ever having to charge you with anything. Yes, the United States of America is rapidly being turned into a "Big Brother" prison grid, and most Americans are happily going along with it.

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[-] 5 points by joe100 (306) 3 years ago

My father once told me: "Son, if there are ever cameras everywhere, you are living in a police state" And there are cameras EVERYWHERE. It's only a matter of time until people start shooting marbles from wrist rockets into the cameras and breaking them. People will soon wear the Guy Fawkes mask, and take those cameras out, in suburbia and in the cities. I don't even have to start this action. It will happen eventually... all by itself.

This is why every family MAN should own a firearm, and join a militia.

This is why Occupy should put up its own communications satellites.

Why most Americans are happy with it, is beyond me. I am not like that at all.

[-] 1 points by ronimacarroni (1089) 3 years ago

Our own communications satellite?

That would be so awesome.

[-] 1 points by ronimacarroni (1089) 3 years ago

Still its kind of unnecessary.

If you're worried about privacy you only need to encrypt your messages.

Look up Tor and truecrypt.

[-] 1 points by ramous (765) from Wabash, IN 3 years ago

being able to be tracked by the gov is no different than what we do voluntarily every day on Facebook. We freely hand out our personal info, data and stats. You really want to not be known where you are or what you're doing? Don't post status updates or check-ins. Facebook and google do much more information collecting on individuals. The gov only does people they suspect. FB and Google collect everything on EVERYBODY.

[-] 1 points by barb (835) 3 years ago

Insane, but true!

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 3 years ago

I read that article again. It's absolutely scary and our freedoms are being taking away daily. There is no denying this. Thanks for sharing.

[-] 1 points by Dutchess (499) 3 years ago

please share..

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 3 years ago

I mean the one you posted.

Here is a commentary that I came across that pretty much says it as it is.

The title of it is "The Fat Police". http://www.wpix.com/wpix-lionel-on-pix-gallery,0,5078472.story

[-] 1 points by WakeUp2011 (12) 3 years ago

Spread the knowledge. Make any difference you can. And don't let this message scare you. The thought of this is unbelievably disgusting and it needs to be resisted. Spreading the truth is crucial to creating the world we want to see. We need to wake up as many people as we can to get real change. Those that don't want to wake up can stay asleep. Keep spreading the word. Here's a start..

http://youtu.be/iRyjzCa7_AE

Research. Educate. Grow Awareness.

[-] 1 points by Dutchess (499) 3 years ago

thank you..

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 3 years ago

Well, you know there are all of these privatized prisons that need a fillin'.

[-] 1 points by 5thelement (27) 3 years ago

I believe this was Steve Jobs' ultimate message. Apple was just the vehicle to get his ideas and messages out. He wanted people to use computers/technology to free themselves as he knew this was coming.

[-] 1 points by Dutchess (499) 3 years ago

I saw this one....we are so lied to....by our govt.

[-] 1 points by ContinuationofEarth (220) 3 years ago

It is not our government. It is a group of people who hijacked our government and used it against us! Class wars have been going on for thousands of years to keep people and their dreams down.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 3 years ago
[-] 1 points by number2 (914) 3 years ago

thank george bush and his patriot act, the drug war and war on terror

[-] 1 points by EXPOSED (222) 3 years ago

"thank george bush and his patriot act, the drug war and war on terror"

And thank Barrack Obama for renewing the Patriot Act even though he said he would repeal it. You can also thank him for extending the bogus wars on drugs and terror...

[-] 1 points by roscoesdad27 (106) from Aberdeen, MD 3 years ago

perpetuating the war on drugs as our first black president considering how it has particularly effected the black communities makes him an out and out uncle Tom.....it would be like sitting bull being president while the trail of tears was happening, fuckin coon.

[-] 1 points by number2 (914) 3 years ago

certainly

throw em all out

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 3 years ago

Thought-provoking. Thanks for putting up this thread.

[-] 1 points by thrasyamque (-1) 3 years ago

Watch Banned Episode: Jesse Ventura’s “Police State”

http://www.multiupload.com/6CTZ2FAY88

[-] 1 points by Dutchess (499) 3 years ago

I have been WARNED about VIOLATIONS by posting facts!

You got to be kidding me.

THIS IS A GOVT WEBSITE!!!!!!!!!!

http://occupywallst.org/users/OCCUPYWALLSTREET/

Dutchess said 1 minute ago at Nov. 29, 2011, 7:10 p.m. EST (delete)

Violations about what?

Showing people facts?

Its your informants that are harrassing my posts not the other way around.

I am printing this as we speak and I will go viral with it.

OCCUPYWALLSTREET said 24 minutes ago at Nov. 29, 2011, 6:47 p.m. EST (delete)

I am warning you now. Anymore violations and I will ban You! do you understand?

Information

Joined Nov. 16, 2011

[-] 1 points by leavethecities (318) 3 years ago

Roads being built to nowhere to confuse escapees.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 3 years ago

well if you are going to talk in a public forum, the internet and all of its pages, then isn't that like being in a public space yelling at the top of your lungs. i don't mind them monitoring, i just don't want them in possession of a kill switch. or laws that give them unintended capabilities.

[-] 1 points by mserfas (652) from Ashland, PA 3 years ago

That was indeed an excellent essay - more so when you consider that the author does little to conceal what sounds like a far-right religious fundamentalist perspective, yet nearly every point is something that the most liberal OWS supporter should wholeheartedly agree with.

What amazes me more is that, even considering all the oppressive surveillance described there, it surely is dwarfed by what many consumers, especially among the wealthy, seem willing to purchase. Cars rigged with microphones that are in constant contact with unseen enforcers, "home security systems" that allow people over the internet to tap into cameras inside the house. With an ever-growing gap between rich and poor, the posh life of the "1%" seems destined to become ever more dependent on such things to defend them from real and imagined enemies ... despite all that wealth, which could do so much to improve the lives of poorer people, those who possess it will still be miserable and afraid.

[-] 1 points by jartjart (6) 3 years ago

That TROLL is making trouble again- but i will get him

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[-] 1 points by Dutchess (499) 3 years ago

excuse me?

[-] 1 points by genanmer (822) 3 years ago

billions behind bars

http://www.cnbc.com/id/44762286

[-] 1 points by trhasymaque (6) 3 years ago

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It is probable that no other work of this generation has made us desire freedom more earnestly or loathe tyranny with such fullness. 1984, the most contemporary novel of the year and who knows of now many past and to come, is a great examination into and dramatization of Lord Acton's famous apothegm, " power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrups absolutely. "

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[-] 0 points by WolfThom (90) 3 years ago

15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America. Information Clearing House,

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25399.htm

http://www.pauljorion.com/blog/?p=11384

http://elboheme.blogspot.com/2010/05/die-wahren-ursachen-der-krise_12.html

Alternatives

http://www.larouchepac.com/

http://www.china-intern.de/page/wirtschaft-hintergrund/1318019478.html

1.12.2011

100 A staggering 48.5% of all Americans live in a household that receives some form of government benefits. Back in 1983, that number was below 30 percent.

99 During the Obama administration, the U.S. government has accumulated more debt than it did from the time that George Washington took office to the time that Bill Clinton took office.

98 Since Barack Obama was sworn in, the share of the national debt per household has increased by $35,835.

97 The U.S. national debt has been increasing by an average of more than 4 billion dollars per day since the beginning of the Obama administration.

96 It is being projected that the U.S. national debt will hit 344% of GDP by the year 2050 if we continue on our current course.

95 The Congressional Budget Office is projecting that U.S. government debt held by the public will reach a staggering 716 percent of GDP by the year 2080.

94 In 2010, the U.S. government paid $413 billion in interest on the national debt. That is projected to at least double over the next decade.

93 According to one new survey, one out of every three Americans would not be able to make a mortgage or rent payment next month if they suddenly lost their current job.

92 State and local government debt has reached an all-time high of 22 percent of U.S. GDP.

91 In 1980, government transfer payments accounted for just 11.7% of all income. Today, government transfer payments account for 18.4% of all income.

90 U.S. households are now receiving more income from the U.S. government than they are paying to the government in taxes.

89 According to a new study conducted by the BlackRock Investment Institute, the ratio of household debt to personal income in the United States is now 154 percent.

88 If you can believe it, one out of every seven Americans has at least 10 credit cards.

87 According to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, health care costs accounted for just 9.5% of all personal consumption back in 1980. Today they account for approximately 16.3%.

86 The cost of a health insurance policy for the average American family rose by a whopping 9 percent last year, and according to a report put out by the Kaiser Family Foundation and the Health Research and Educational Trust, the average family health insurance policy now costs over $15,000 a year.

85 One study found that approximately 41 percent of working age Americans either have medical bill problems or are currently paying off medical debt.

84 An all-time record 49.9 million Americans do not have any health insurance at all at this point, and the percentage of Americans covered by employer-based health plans has fallen for 11 years in a row.

83 According to a report published in The American Journal of Medicine, medical bills are a major factor in more than 60 percent of the personal bankruptcies in the United States. Of those bankruptcies that were caused by medical bills, approximately 75 percent of them involved individuals that actually did have health insurance.

82 Average yearly tuition at U.S. private universities is now up to $27,293.

81 The cost of college tuition in the United States has gone up by over 900 percent since 1978.

80 In America today, approximately two-thirds of all college students graduate with student loans.

http://www.china-intern.de/page/wirtschaft-hintergrund/1318019478.html

Protectionism instead of free trade - LaRouche Movement

http://www.larouchepac.com/

Facts about the real state of USA

http://www.china-intern.de/page/wirtschaft-hintergrund/1318019478.html

http://www.larouchepac.com/

Peak Oil Blog

http://www.fromthewilderness.com

The Senate is set to vote on a bill next week that would define the whole of the United States as a “battlefield” and allow the U.S. Military to arrest American citizens in their own back yard without charge or trial. GlobalResearch

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=27910&fb_source=message

[-] 1 points by Dutchess (499) 3 years ago

I got to copy and paste this and use it on other forums. thanks

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[-] 0 points by WolfThom (90) 3 years ago

15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America. Information Clearing House, Grafiken über Einkommens- und Vermögensverteilung in den USA

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25399.htm

http://www.pauljorion.com/blog/?p=11384

http://elboheme.blogspot.com/2010/05/die-wahren-ursachen-der-krise_12.html

[-] 2 points by Dutchess (499) 3 years ago

Aber was denkst du jetzt, das wir Deutsch lesen konnen?

Thank you

[-] 0 points by WolfThom (90) 3 years ago

See also larouchepac.com, Michael C. Rupperts Peak Oil Blog and 9.11. http://www.fromthewilderness.com and Alex Jones infowar.com

Ron Lawl

http://www.bilderberg.org

15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America. Information Clearing House, Grafiken über Einkommens- und Vermögensverteilung in den USA

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25399.htm

http://www.pauljorion.com/blog/?p=11384

http://elboheme.blogspot.com/2010/05/die-wahren-ursachen-der-krise_12.html

[-] 0 points by w9illiam (97) 3 years ago

I been saying this since I was forced to plead guilt to a crime I didnt commit all I did was refuse to cooperate with the investigator and I was kind rude to him, I thought that would be covered under free speech as long as I didnt make any threats. Besides all that he already had all the evidence he needed to convict the guy. He just didnt like the lack of support I had for him. I guess it is a crime not to agree with the police. This happened in 2002. I learned much about how much power ordinary cops have over the courts and how little your word means up against a police man and a judge and how public defenders will sell you out to get a not guilty verdict for the rich guy paying him. I realized just how messed up our nation is after that. This dosnt shock me. I already knew I had no rights.

[-] -1 points by silverspider (33) 3 years ago

Much of this is pushed by the zionist powers....

[-] -1 points by roscoesdad27 (106) from Aberdeen, MD 3 years ago

we currently have 25% of the worlds prisoners despite only having 5% of the worlds population.... http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=cEXtNM7Lf0o end the war on drugs RON PA UL FOR PRESIDENT!

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 3 years ago

President of what?

The Ayn Rand narcissism fan club?

[-] -2 points by Dutchess (499) 3 years ago

Ok...no more of this nonsense!

If you cannot CANNOT distinguish the differences between Ron Paul and Ayn Rand, you never picked up a book, did research, examined your Constitution but merely fell for ALL facevalue crap you have been fed.

YOUR attitude is WHY we are where we are today! I often find myself alone fighing bureaucracy and justice!

[-] 5 points by shoozTroll (17632) 3 years ago

Actually, Your attitude is why you are here today.

I find less and less to like about Mr. P all the time and I have you and other libTs to thank.

Thanks..........................:)

For helping me understand all the reasons why Mr. P is wrong for America.

[-] 3 points by PandoraK (1678) 3 years ago

I find the supporters of RP in their enthusiasm have a tendency to over state their case and do it frequently enough that any subject that is being discussed inevitably ends up being a pro vs con on RP, thus turning away many potential new supporters.

In other words RP supporters, chill out, you are turning people away from your candidate.

Now since this forum is NOT supposed to be a platform for the promotion and support of ANY political candidate, RP supporters, please cease and desist.

[-] 1 points by Dutchess (499) 3 years ago

wow......intellectual dishonesty at best!

Who are you going to ask to be your running mate? Dennis Kucinich "Ron Paul"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py8cXlLyX18

I am sure not many here know Dennis Kucinich nor challenge their gutfeelings and beliefsystems.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 3 years ago

I agree, and tried to get them to explain their positions in their own words.

They just can't seem to do it.

[-] 1 points by PandoraK (1678) 3 years ago

It's sad...

[-] 1 points by Dutchess (499) 3 years ago

wow......intellectual dishonesty at best!

Who are you going to ask to be your running mate? Dennis Kucinich "Ron Lawl"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py8cXlLyX18

[-] 1 points by Dutchess (499) 3 years ago

You are obsessed with my posts. I find that rather hillarious especially in light of the fact you despise all the facts I have put in front of your face.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 3 years ago

Don't post stuff then. I promise, I won't notice...........:)

It's not your facts I despise.

It's your Mr. P BS.

The libertarianess of it all.

[-] 0 points by Dutchess (499) 3 years ago

Its because...........your ignorance of history, knowledge, and the fact you cannot distinguish crony capitalism ( corporatism with our corrupt govt at the center) from free market capitalism ( where govt is to play the role of 1) oversight and 2) accountability).

Think of it this way...If we truly had free market capitalosm, guess whom would have gone out of business?

The very banks and corporations that were bailed with your taxdollars and have done nothing to invest it back into the American people.

the very banks you are now demonstrating against.

Please don't have me spell out the obvious next time.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 3 years ago

You see, I think you the one who is ignorant.

You still think there is a possibility of a 'free market'.

There isn't.

[-] 1 points by Dutchess (499) 3 years ago

And that is exactly what is dangerous. The indoctrination process that has happened in this country. Its been a long road..

Our Police state 2 hours and 20 minutes. at 18 minutes Congressman Brad Sherman on the threat our Reps received to push the bankbailout bill. I questioned MY Congresswoman on election night about this very topic!

I AM paying attention and have been for years.

this vid is full of executive orders, actual footage of our govt, footage of Congress. Dare to watch!

Police State 4: The Rise of FEMA Full Length

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klqv9t1zVww

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 3 years ago

I've been aware of the police state since the late 60s.

Railed against it at every opportunity.

I'm also aware that the 'free market' is just a propaganda tool.

I've been aware of that since the 70s.

It took a while longer to fully understand the military, industrial, congressional complex.

It's still growing thanks mostly, although not exclusively, by the actions of the republican party, aided by neoliberal economics.

FEMA is just a natural outgrowth of that, as is the Pat. Act.

The latter is, in my opinion the most damaging.

[-] 1 points by Dutchess (499) 3 years ago

I saw police combat downtown tonight in combat gear.........police everwhere while there was solely a christmas/holday event going on. with parents, including myself taking their children to see Santa ........ I am telling you, Martial Law is next...it merely a matter of when..

But again you mistake crony capitalism ( corporatism) for free market...

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 3 years ago

There is not, nor can there ever be a free market.

It's not possible. So I mistake nothing.

[-] 1 points by Dutchess (499) 3 years ago

That basically translate into...there can not be 1) government oversight 2) equal access under the law 3) sound monetary policies!

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 3 years ago

That's your mistake, not mine.

[-] 1 points by Dutchess (499) 3 years ago

Mistake?

No it is well documented by scholars!

[-] 0 points by Dutchess (499) 3 years ago

You deserve the very government you have.

If you cannot find out 1) the facts and 2) choose a candidate independently from whom is voting for him or her, you are indeed a first class idiot!

RON PAUL FOR ABORTION in case or Rape and Incest and FOR the morning after pill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHm4UF0EJWo

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 3 years ago

Thanks.

You're second class idiot.

I win!!!!!!

[-] 0 points by Dutchess (499) 3 years ago

like ......I care?

You cannot face the facts I put up!

That is now a given.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 3 years ago

How about some facts on who really supports the libertarians?

[-] 0 points by Dutchess (499) 3 years ago

Liberals like me INCLUDING Dennis Kucinich (D) and Ralph Nader and Jesse Ventura!

Dennis Kucinich would choose Ron Paul his running mate!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py8cXlLyX18

Ron Paul & Ralph Nader: A Libertarian-Progressive Alliance? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYXVD7uBU2s

and that includes Judge napolitano , the ONLY one constantly pointing out the ATTACK on our Constitution!

[-] 3 points by looselyhuman (3117) 3 years ago

One radical, one green, and one conspiracy theorist. Yes, you're right, we should give up on liberalism because these guys said so.

Despite your spin, Kucinich and Nader agree with almost zero of Paul's domestic policy, beyond civil liberties.

So sick of this line of BS.

[-] -2 points by Dutchess (499) 3 years ago

Ah I love how the word 'conspiracy' is abused. So are the words radical and green.

Guess what?

All of them ARE the 99%

And if you had done your homework once more.

Bill Clinton admits to mind control experiments on Americans http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEjgBlJ8EEk

maybe focus on the 0, 01% cuz the income gap between the 1%-0.1% and the people that actually run everything ( about 400 so to speak) is huge!

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 3 years ago

Look below the surface.

Look beyond the press releases.

[-] 2 points by Dutchess (499) 3 years ago

I do.

its called the Constitution.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 3 years ago

Not very deep at all.

Just more campaigning.

You missed.

Ok, Name one of the founders. Without googling.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 3 years ago

love it! Paul for president!
This anti-choice freak would imprison a raped woman who
had an abortion for how long?
and privatizing prisons like everything else is on his agenda
go Paul go! And your son, the eye doctor - is he state board certified?
No! you taught him well - privatized - he board certified himself.
And the name you picked for him - an author who virtually worshiped a child killing maniac.
classic!

[-] 0 points by Dutchess (499) 3 years ago

Actually, Ron Paul has performed abortions and is FOR the morning afterpill and abortion in case of rape and incest! He is however pro life but thinks that the ultimate decision should be left up to the people ( state and local govt ) and NOT the fed govt!

So many in the Dem party can't even support that!

So what is your point?

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 3 years ago

Ok my reply without the sarcasm- I think he is one of the most honest people in Washington - and his anti-war stance is excellent - but I disagree with virtually everything else he says. Basically I see him as the president of libertarianism - which is the soul of self-centered megalomania and greed.

Back to the real me -

....decision should be left up to the people ( state and local govt ) and NOT the fed govt!
Yes, I'm one of those Democrats who believes that the people are NOT the
( state and local govt ) and want to control MY body - not yours

[-] 0 points by Dutchess (499) 3 years ago

You disagree with him because you did NOT investigate!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHm4UF0EJWo from the Republican debate in Sept !

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 3 years ago

It doesn't show in his bizarre voting record.

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/11/ron-pauls-record-in-congress.html

[-] 0 points by Dutchess (499) 3 years ago

He has IF you had done your research.

WATCH THE DAMN VID from the Republican debate in Sept!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Idiot! ( and I am calling you an idiot because YOU harrass anything Ron Paul without knowing the bloody facts! and I am tired of stupid people here)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHm4UF0EJWo

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 3 years ago

You're tired of stupid people here?

Does that mean you're leaving?

Mr. P doesn't like me, my wife or my daughter, why should I like him?

His voting record is enough for me. I don't give a crap about the stuff he's been whining about for the last 30 years.

He hasn't done thing to prove he's honest.

[-] 0 points by Dutchess (499) 3 years ago

No, I am staying. But I am tired of stupid people like yourself harrassing my posts because you are here to 'safeguard' from people checking out the facts!

You don't have to like anybody. FYI it should be your constitutional right to vote whomever.

It is YOU harrassing my posts. NOT the other way around.

Gosh, one has to wonder WHY you seek my posts!

Oh and btw...he returned money to the Treasury from HIS district. Talking about honesty and talking about checking facts!

I now caught you wrong on two of your claims.

Next please!

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 3 years ago

It would help if you stop pushing a republican tool like Mr. P.

You know, leave him out of it and just present you facts and opinions.

Why should I let you lie to innocents?

[-] 0 points by Dutchess (499) 3 years ago

No I am not because he is the ONLY candidate running who 1) has been fighting for civil liberties 2) to stop the wars 3) taking on the fed 4) addressing the national debt! ( just like Kucinich and Nader, who are NOT running)

You are the one lying by refusing the check out the facts I put up! and than pointing the finger to me!

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 3 years ago

I have checked the facts.

Everything he backs, that I agree with, he backs for all the wrong reasons.

That's important to me.

[-] 0 points by Dutchess (499) 3 years ago

Great! Be the 'ostrich' you want to be and refuse to challenge your own intellect. I have put up many interviews now.

That says enough in my book especially when someone like myself comes from the most liberal country in the world and has been ahead in so many ways.

[-] 2 points by looselyhuman (3117) 3 years ago

In all the ways it's been "ahead", like the welfare state, you want us to go the opposite direction. Does not compute.

"Dutch collectivism sucks, but you should listen to me because I'm Dutch."

Good article:

Going Dutch: How I learned to love the European welfare state.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/03/magazine/03european-t.html?pagewanted=all

[-] 0 points by Dutchess (499) 3 years ago

and look where they are today ;)

And why?

Because of the Euro being forced upon them. The Deutche Mark and Dutch Guilder used to be two very strong currencies.

But again, one has to dig deeper into the fact in order to understand today's CHAOS in Europe!

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 3 years ago

Now I'm an ostrich?

Besides the fact, that that response has nothing to do with what I said.

When was the first time you voted for him?

Are you a bot?

[-] 2 points by Dutchess (499) 3 years ago

its an expression for people who refuse to look at the facts.

Bill Clinton admits to mind control experiments on Americans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEjgBlJ8EEk

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 3 years ago

Bill admitted to echelon too.

After it was shut down.

Bush, on the other didn't admit to anything.

So what?

[-] 1 points by anonwolf (279) from West Peoria, IL 3 years ago

Give it up with this one. Word is she's RP campaign staff.

[-] 0 points by Dutchess (499) 3 years ago

the word conspiracy merely means two people getting together and plan something illegal. Its what the CIA does best!

So stop using words when you don't understand its meaning!