Forum Post: 3 web sites every single person in this Forum should visit
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 21, 2011, 3:45 p.m. EST by Indepat
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If you're fed up with the money in politics and the influence it buys, wait til you get a load of these three watch dog sites. They break it down to the penny.
All three sites do a great job of exposing the influence of money in Washington politics. Map light takes it to another level by breaking it down by individual votes on individual bills, based on contribution, an actual purchase price for each and every vote. Awesome. A lot of the leg work has been done, time to demand change.
http://www.followthemoney.org/?gclid=CMbY87bB-qsCFUPt7Qod9HE8mQ
Excellent, Indepat. A true patriot you are. I was not sure about the other two, but I visit opensecrets.org.
I look at some of my members of Congress in my state and all of their donations are from BANKS and CORPORATIONS!
How about a solution!!! The most important website wasn't even posted. Everyone knows politicians are all bought, what we need is to PROHIBIT PRIVATE SPENDING ON PUBLIC CAMPAIGNS...there are two ways I think this could be done, possibly through www.lobbydemocracy.com , though I haven't had much correspondence with them and don't really know how it's going to operate. The other is www.getmoneyout.com a petition that everyone should sign.
Shocking, isn't it. They are all like that, regardless of party. That's why I firmly believe ridding Washington of the money, and the influence it buys, should not only be the number one issue, but the only issue.
Get the money out, and then our elected officials would have to find some other reason to vote one way or another.
It is amazing how they are like all bought by the same banking, financial interests.
Kind of disgusting. Appalling.
Which is why this thing needs to continue. We know it exists, we know it's wrong, and we know no good can come of it. It's time to stand up and demand that the system change.
I agree on the list and think they are fantastic. The problem with the list is that while those sites expose the dirty money they do not prescribe a solution to the problem. I would like to add one more site to the list that does just that. www.lobbydemocracy.com.
I am founding a lobbying organization to represent the interests of the majority. The organization has no predetermined platform. We will poll our membership to determine where they stand on the issues. Any issue that reaches 65% support (or opposition) we will take up. We will look district by district and state by state and contact every elected leader whose district is aligned with the national membership. We will be overpowering the presence of money with the power of numbers and votes.
I'm really interested in your idea and site. How would the site decide which topics/issues to poll on? It seems thus far, that the issues you post seem to be very mainstream. Most importantly, the issue I'd like to see it campaign finance reform. Essentially, I'd like to use lobbydemocracy to push for a prohibition of private spending on public campaigns. However, if we really did improve the democratic framework of this country, we may not need lobbydemocracy anymore. Is this a conflict of interest for you?
The issues will be decided by the membership. We will take write ins for ideas and put up a full list to see what issues people want to have addressed. Seeing as though we have no membership for another two weeks we have had to put up some issues without membership's influence. In an attempt to show neutrality we have kept them pretty mainstream.
I would love it if Lobby Democracy were not necessary at some point. I am the first one to acknowledge that there is something sick and twisted about the fact that we need to pool together to get the government to do what it is supposed to do already. If the organization manages to successfully put itself out of business, I would call that a success.
well put!
Well everyone needs to play a role, they provide the information, and it's up to others to carry on the fight. Your lobby democracy sounds like a great idea. I will check it out.
Thank you kindly. 12 days until true launch. We will see where it goes from there.
3 web sites is important
3 web sites
3 web sites
and if I may, this will help too:
Here's my other dream to get it right:
Today Congress we the people are here to start the wheels of governing turning in a different direction. It’s pretty obvious to us that our voice has been lost in the rambling of lobbyist's hard cash throughout the Halls of Justice.
So Congress we are here to take back our government and restore its fundamental principals to the American people. That this government is for the people, and by the people, and not by the rich people anymore.
Here’s how we plan on accomplishing this: First, ladies and gentlemen of the US Congress, we are setting up a nationwide interactive website devoted to understanding (if possible) why you vote on a particular issue, and if that vote benefits the American people the most? or one of your campaign contributors? After every vote in Congress, the American people can now see what you are thinking, or not. How? These results will be broadcasted nightly on all of the major networks and on the web.
Secondly, to maintain an even playing filed, we will next enact campaign contribution limits on a maximum of $100 for any person or corporation or so forth; so hopefully now we have an even playing field, which now the lawmaker will hopefully pick what’s right for the American people, verse big business!
Next, it gets better, we are introducing a bill that would require all lawmakers to take a lie detector test if they are asked why they voted on a particular bill (I know it's pretty out there-- but would make a good movie).
I’m sorry to say Congress that it has come down to this, but when you deal with children, sometimes you are forced to act according.
Thanks you for your time.
I like the idea. The lie detector idea would be the greatest thing ever.
3 web sites
please get it done!
that would be fun! nailing them!m thanks
thanks. here's some more sites to help your cause:
Here's how we can easily Reform Wall Street: Take away their powers "Once Again." And the best way to get it done is a Million People March to Capitol Hill!
For example, "We are here Congress because we want you to REINSTATE the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 http://www.investopedia.com/articles/03/071603.asp#axzz1aPEc3wX which was created to help save our country from the Great Depression by preventing investment companies, banks, and insurance companies from merging and becoming large brokerage firms; instead of just being Banks and Insurance companies -- Congress why can't you learn a history lesson from 1929? The current system doesn't work, once again, except for the 1%. Btw, why did most of you vote for the major repeal of G-S Act in 1999? Shattering The Glass-Steagall Act: http://www.counterpunch.org/2008/09/19/shattering-the-glass-steagall-act (2nd story here)
Think about where we are now, it all started in 1999 with lawmakers like Senator Phil Gramm who helped create legal gambling casinos for our banks: CNN's The Ten Most Responsible for Economy Collapse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKQOxr2wBZQ&feature=related
Furthermore Congress, we also want you to CHANGE the Commodities Future Modernization Act of 2000 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodity_Futures_Modernization_Act_of_2000 BACK to where it was before 2000, which since has deregulated energy markets and consequently allowed for such scams as The Enron Loophole; whereas in the early 2000's Enron Corp. was charging 250 bucks plus for a kilowatt hour...They all when to jail for this. But, the Enron loophole is still not closed, for example, allowing speculators to resell barrels of oil over and over again before it reaches the gas station owner. It's basically legal gambling at our expense. What were those lawmakers thinking then? What are you thinking now? Either do the right thing, or you're part of the 1%."
So why are oil prices high? The Enron Loophole. Former Head of U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission speaks to Congress on the high price of oil--and he's not happy about energy deregulations:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbdtTGYQBMU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNp0y0SjOkY&feature=related
Rolling Stones Reporter Matt Taibbi: Truth about Goldman Sachs--how they have cornered the markets--basically, The Enron Loophole and the shattering of Glass-Steagall Act in 1999. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waL5UxScgUw
Let's get focused and bring back The Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, they got it right 1933, we don't need to REINVENT the wheel because bringing this Act back will help create an even playing field once again....and let's finally Close the Enron Loophole, which allowed Enron to charge what they wanted for energy; they went to jail for this; but no one closed the loophole, why? Re-election Monies from the big brokerage firms and oil companies! The writing is on the wall.
Let's get organized and reinstate these critical financial reforms with a Million People March to Capitol Hill!
I agree, getting congress to readopt this act should be one of our strategies.
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Where is the leadership!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where are you?
Hello, is there anybody out there?
This movement is doomed to fail and a big waste of time.
Just keeping tabs on this one.
Just moving it back up towards to the top
One advantage of a leaderless movement is that it can't be decapitated
But it can be taken over by others, just look at the tea party.
Do try to keep a Positive Mental Attitude, dude
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Three web sites that should be part of a larger section on this web site. That should be part of a larger organization. A resource page, monitored and maintained by a dept. with OWS.
Where are the leaders of this movement?
re OCCUPY Democracy
Rand Redemocratist at Large ReOccupy Democracy http://www.autobuyology.org/car15.html Thank you for teaching http://www.autobuyology.org/thankyouforteaching.pdf Tell Car Makers to Make Cleaner-air Vehicles http://www.autobuyology.org/tellcarmakerstocleantheair.pdf
Or the three I posted that actually have to do with a pretty big problem.
well map light goes right after oil right on their front page even though they say there are over 400 groups, just a little slanted up front. Go after the Arabs that pump oil for $5 a b and charge 85 just me looking through the #s a little
I'll admit, I haven't checked into them. But that's just one reason I think OWS needs to turn into an actual organization, so that they can assign a team to go through, monitor and disseminate this sort of stuff.
Still, no matter how slanted something might look, the fact still remains, industries, special interests, corporations, pour billions into both parties. Mere logic would dictate that they all would be looking for a return on that investment. If not, they wouldn't invest.
By the way I don't blame companies for acting in there best interest. I blame our government for not acting in ours.
I might add the links to my blog, fwiw.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/8/stop-the-corruption-on-wall-street/
can we add google.com >?<
Thanks for posting about Open Secrets, been trying to remember the name of that website for weeks, lol.
No problem. Don't you think a section of this web site should be devoted to this kind of information? I'm trying to lobby the people who run this web site, but they don;t seem to have the organization or resources to even read emails. In fact, that's the automated response I got.
It is the single issue, you'd think they'd provide the proof. It's not like they have to do the actual leg work these groups have already done it.
Time to give everyone involved the info the need. Time for the non-believers to see the proof as well.
By the way, the map light actually breaks it down my legislation, per representative, per vote. It's a beautiful thing.
They need to add a resource page for this sort of stuff. How can a group that says it's for fixing a problem than provide no information, no resources, no evidence that the problem actually exists.
I know I'm beating a dead horse but this thing needs to get organized. It's not like they don't have the manpower. Pull some of these people out of the protest and put them in an office. This movement needs to be more than just a protest.
This also needs to stay near the top
I agree. My suggestion remains: implement the beginnings of a truer Democracy within Occupy, on the ground, grass roots. Consider a Purple Finger Vote, based upon the system developed in Iraq. Determine a consensus - and then perhaps representatives. Establish issues, questions, and potential options and answers in theGeneral Assembly; distribute inexpensively printed ballots; and ink the fingers of all those who mobilize to participate to ensure no one may vote more than once.
Imagine the image of a multitude of raised purple fingers decrying the reinstitution of Democracy over the current corporatocracy where corporations, now judged to be "citizens" brutally bully a common voice from our grasp.
Great idea, but they don't even have the resources to answer an email. They need to get their act together.
Just wondering
Here is another excellent site that pulls a lot of info together. http://www.theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/
I had to stop following automatic earth. Too damn depressing, all the time.
Agreed, our current republic form of government has already proven itself to be a manipulative failure in the pocket of the 1%, so perhaps you would consider our group's proposal of an alternative online direct democracy of government and business at http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/on_strategically_weighted_policies_organizational_operating_structures_tactical_investment_procedures-448eo and then direct questions or comments to our group's 19 members committed to that plan at: http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/
With this we have a difference of opinion. I think the republic form of government is the best form of government. I think the founding fathers got it right. It's a good system that has been taken over and manipulated, but it doesn't mean it's bad. Get the money our of Washington and you have a good system.
I don't like direct democracy, because the masses are volatile, easily swayed and tend to act in their own interest and not what's best for all. Imagine these votes, going to the people. A bomb blows up a building in Washington and a vote is put to the people of how we should respond. Chances are someone gets nuked. Abolishing the separation of church and state? Stimulus package that includes $10,000 for everyone, passes by 99%. Or on the other end, the poor are nothing but lazy people who don't want to work, eliminate all welfare programs.
I don't want the masses making decisions, all I want is a representative democracy, where they represent the masses instead of big business and the ruling elite.
Baseball is a great game, but for a decade or so, maybe more, it was ruined by an inundation of steroids. But that doesn't mean the game was still great. It only meant they had to get rid of the steroids.
Just my opinion. But when in doubt, I think the founding fathers nailed it. I also think they would be pissed off if they saw how it is operating now.
The founding fathers got it right for that time in history, but technology, in particular the internet, has now advanced to the point where the people, as Bank & Business Owner-Voters, can democratically agree-upon their own Policies, Organizations, and Procedures to be EXECUTED (not decided) by the Top 1% Management System of Business & Government.
You think the "masses are volatile, easily swayed and tend to act in their own interest and not what's best for all."
Disagreed, for were the people to become educated as Sophisticated Investors & Officers, beginning with a mandatory education in Banking & Business as provided by free online courses such as that offered by the Federal Reserve Bank at -- http://www.bankdirectorsdesktop.org -- then they could formulate Policies, Organizations, and Procedures 1,000 times more effective and efficient than any Representative Government of 500 Politicians ever made throughout history. Why? Because our collective knowledge is ALREADY 10 times greater any given politician's knowledge (therein) and can be 1,000 greater, collectively and individually as Bank & Business Owner-Voters, than any politicians's knowledge (therein) with such mandatory Banking & Business Educational Courses.
For example, the majority of the people (based on polls) opposed a bailout of the big banks even though the politicians favored it; consequently, had the 99% thought about it more closely and critically (which could only happen as a online direct democracy), then they would have decided to break-up those mega-banks, which are 50% of market and which have caused every financial disaster in the past, into 4,600 Home Town Banks of 65,000 Members, and thus doubled their own Wealth & Income as Bank & Business Owner-Voters according to the Banking & Business Education they received at http://www.bankdirectorsdesktop.org/ .
The rest of your argument in that paragraph likewise assumes that the 99% have no moral fiber to seek such a Banking & Business Education, but were the 99% to earn doubled Wealth & Income for doing so, then their moral fiber would be equally enhanced in response to such education, and eventually 1,000 times more effective and efficient in governing themselves, for a Online Direct Democracy would inevitably produce "moderation" in all Policies, Organizations, and Procedures, as evidenced by the highly moderate polls at AmericansElect.org (under the "Colors" tab) which are in majority disagreement with the somewhat dictatorial Policies, Organizations, and Procedures of the Tea Party & OWS, agreed?
I would use that bank bailout against your argument. The bailout sucked, and now it is a worse situation that it was before. But if it hadn't happened everything would have gone down.
I like a representative government. We are too busy, with our jobs, lives, kids, etc... to make informed decisions on any and all issues. I prefer a representative government, filled with people who can devote all their time and energy to this very important task, and that act on our behalf.
They just have to act on our behalf, not the 1% only.
In this we will just have to agree to disagree. I just don't think I can be swayed to support a pure democracy. Too many alarm bells go off when I hear something like that.
As I said, had the 99% been an Online Direct Democracy then they would not have accepted the bailout and broken the mega-banks into their own 4,600 Home Town Banks of 65,000 instead, and thus ensuring stability during the inevitable transition in from Wall Street to Main Street. Consequently, everything would not have "gone down" but would have been slowly restructured for much greater effectiveness & efficiency.
It is precisely because you are "too busy, with our jobs, lives, kids, etc" that you do not make informed decisions and why you need to become Bank & Business Owner-Voters who would work 75% less in order to have the TIME to make those informed decisions.
For example, there is an immediately effective and efficient solution to the problem of global warming which is only 1 of 48 Tactical Investment Procedures in our group at http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems which will allow you to work 75% less, as follows:
If the 99%, as Home Town Banks of 65,000 Members, divide themselves into 16,384 Vehicle Investment Groups of 4 Members, with each group of 4 Members purchasing a hybrid-diesel-hummer-limo Cab which they then put into their Town Cab Fleet of 16,384 Cabs, then this would reduce their Individual Transportation Costs by 75% (Cost of 1 Cab / 4 Members = 75% less cost per member), and yet they would have a Luxury Limo Cab available to them, out of 16,000 cabs in their Town, five minutes after calling for one, but not necessarily the specific luxury cab in which they own 25%. And most importantly, let's not forget the lessening of Mother Nature's burden from having 75% fewer cars with no traffic jams, and thus 75% less CO2.
Furthermore, the list of simple productivity improvements like this one -- which the 99% want but the 1% don't want -- are endless, beginning with our 48 Tactical Investment Procedures. But as their FIRST of Forty-Eight Tactical Investment Procedures, the 99% must control the banks as Bank Owner-Voters, and therein as Business Owner-Voters, before they can control their Town (and National) design in this manner which is much less costly (in terms of the worker hours needed to maintain it by 75% too) and yet have 75% greater luxury (such as a limo cab) at the same time. Consequently, to decentralize Banking & Business Ownership into a Focused Direct Democracy by Occupation & Generation is to lower cost 75% is to lower price 75% is to lower work 75% is to increase luxury by 75% is to lower Mother Nature's burden by 75%.
And that's just 1 of 48 Tactical Investment Procedures in our group at http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems, starting from where the people are now, and then you can take the people even deeper technically( or mathematically) into an even better resource-based system, such as that cited at TheVenusProject.com and VictoryCities.com.
So you see, once you get people thinking technically (or mathematically) like this, without arguing for argument's sake, in a way they can understand today, THEN you can move them to even high levels of optimally effective and efficient Town (& National) designs where the word "greed" or "lack of moral fiber" doesn't even exist, such as a resource-based economy, but which the people are not yet technically (or mathematically) prepared to understand at this time, but that can change as you improve their technical (or mathematical) capabilities in ways they do understand first, such as the example above, agreed?
Again, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I've actually been arguing my point of view for a long, long time. I don't like pure democracy. Take foreign affairs for instance, when it comes to developing a plan of how to deal with the middle east, on making individual decisions, I'd rather have people, who have devoted their entire lives in dealing with foreign affairs, in dealing with the middle east and all the complexities that come with that territory, making those important decisions.
To think that I would want a mechanic in Ohio, a store clerk in Iowa, a Lawyer in Miami, and a school teacher in New York, voting on how to handle a situation in the middle east scares the crap out of me.
we can't even handle those special ballot things they put on our ballots come election time. If anything, those things are proof that it doesn't work. You can pretty much get the masses to vote any way you'd like, and many just guess. Why? Because they don't have the time, experience or knowledge to make an informed decision.
You say you want the masses to make decisions on financial issues, yet they can't even make good ones with their own budget.
Sorry, representative government for me. They just have to represent me, and not some billionaire.
-- Take foreign affairs for instance, when it comes to developing a plan of how to deal with the middle east, on making individual decisions, I'd rather have people, who have devoted their entire lives in dealing with foreign affairs, in dealing with the middle east and all the complexities that come with that territory, making those important decisions. --
Wonderful! We are still agreed, for dealing with foreign affairs is a 4 of 48 Business Investment Groups matter in our group's plan; that is, foreign affairs, as a Bureaucratic Business is handled by (1) the Department of Justice (including the Military & Security Services Group and the Legal & Intelligence Services Group) and (2) the Department of Banking (including the Financial Investment Services Group & the Financial Accounting Services Group) at the NATIONAL & INTERNATIONAL LEVEL. The people's only role in this is to elect 2 Inside Bank Directors (or Departmental Politicians) at the NATIONAL & INTERNATIONAL LEVELS to come up with ADVICE for their lower-level BUREAUCRATIC-BUSINESS-ELECTED Field & Staff Officers, who are REAL EXPERTS in foreign affairs, to get THEIR CONSENT as foreign affairs experts.
Consequently, and what you're getting confused about, is that John Doe, Mechanic of Ohio, can ONLY vote in the Maintenance & Repair Services Group, and thus CAN'T vote in the Business Investments Group concerned with foreign affairs at the NATIONAL and INTERNATIONAL LEVEL because he's not QUALIFIED. Therefore, John Doe, Mechanic of Ohio, would have to CHANGE Occupations to do so, and even more importantly, John Doe would have to reach the 11th and 12th Levels of Occupational & Generational Experience in Justice & Banking as democratically agreed-upon by those 4 Business Investment Groups at the National & International Level.
Consequently, I want to thank you for allowing me to clear up this matter of CONTINUING confusion among our members, and I will therefore adjust our plan to more CLEARLY state that a member CANNOT vote-upon matters in which they are not Business, Industry, Town, County, National or International Experts, such as foreign affairs at the National & International Levels in those 4 Business Investment Groups.
Okay, I'll admit, I now have a better understanding of what your overall idea is. Still, alarm bells are going off in my head. Please tell me, how many people per group? Lets say, with the Financial system. Please tell me how many people, how are they elected, how do they vote? how do they develop policy, who would drive the agenda? etc...
Genuinely interested. Just can't see how it can work effectively.
Gotta an e-mail, I have rather detailed spreadsheet showing "how many people" at each level that I'd like you to look at, for two heads are better then one.
Agreed, I altered the plan in response to your query as follows, and will address your question above hereafter:
Step 3: Consequently, each “new” Interdependent Town Bank of 65,000 Members, using already-free Web Sites with voting capabilities like this one, will elect 12 Inside Bank Directors (with mandatory federal approval of their Banking & Business Experience) who ADVISE the people ACCORDING to their 12 Levels of Occupational & Generational Experience as Business Owner-Voters on the 12 Socioeconomic Sectors of their Bank, as follows: (1) Wholesale, (2) Vehicles, (3) Services, (4) Education, (5) Retail, (6) Housing, (7) Commodities, (8) Technology, (9) Manufacturing, (10) Insurance, (11) Justice, and (12) Banking. In effect, these Mass-Elected General Officers, and their related Business-Elected Field & Staff Officers thereunder, will comprise your “new” Top 10% Management System of Business & Government who will NOT determine Policies, Organizations or Procedures, but will only EXECUTE Policies, Organizations & Procedures as democratically agreed-upon by the Bottom 99% of Workers as Bank Owner-Voters, and therein as Business Owner-Voters, ACCORDING to their 12 Levels of Occupational & Generational Experience as determined using their 7 Online Congresses at the Business, Industry, Town, County, State, National & International Levels. This means, for example, that if you don't have the 11th National Level & 12th International Level of Occupational & Generational Experience in the Department of Justice & Banking (above), then you DON'T vote on Foreign Affairs Matters because you're not QUALIFIED to make these types of socioeconomic decisions, right?
I still don't get who is driving policy.
I don't doubt that it could work. But I don't think this current system will change so radically. Complete and radical change is something that rarely occurs.
That's why I think I'll stick to the issue of getting the money out of Washington. That's by big issue. I really don't have a problem with the rest. That's just me.
As for getting money out of politics this will never happen in your lifetime. Why? Because the Supreme Court recently ruled that Corporations, as Individuals, can spend as much money as they want to promote any Candidate or Platform, so you'd need to control Court Nominations over several Generations in order to repeal this Supreme Court decision, and the only way you'll ever get the socioeconomic influence among the 99% to do that is to make them into Bank Owner-Voters, and therein as Business Owner-Voters, for the 1% have a very tight grip on the nomination and approval of Supreme Court Justices, right?
-- I still don't get who is driving policy. --
Business-Elected Field & Staff Officers in each 1 of 48 Business Investment Groups drives all Policies, Organizations, & Procedures; in other words, today's Top 10% Management System of Business & Government, by Occupation and Generation, NOT today's 1%, drives all Policies, Organizations, & Procedures. Consequently, there's a Generational Chain of Command which I will try to visually describe (in lieu of a spreadsheet) to you, as follows:
The interactive online graphic begins as a Circle similar to that found at AmericansElect.org under their "Colors" tab. However, the Circle in their example has only 9 Socioeconomic Sectors corresponding to the sectors which the Board of AmericansElect thinks are of interest to voters, such as the economy, healthcare, etc. On the other hand, our Circle has 12 Socioeconomic Sectors (not 9) which are directly proportional to all of today's Economic Activity (or Gross Domestic Product), and thus are of somewhat equal interest to all our Diversified Bank Owner-Voters, regardless of Occupation or Generation, because they earn substantial Interest Income from all 12 Socioeconomic Sectors as Bank Owner-Voters, as follows, in: Wholesale, Vehicles, Services, Education, Retail, Housing, Commodities, Technology, Manufacturing, Insurance, Justice, and Banking. Note that earning Interest Income doesn't mean they decide Policies, Organizations or Procedures unless their qualified by Occupation at the Business, Industry, Town, Country, State, National and International Level. Furthermore, our Circle becomes ever more complex -- or divided into pie pieces and layered like a cake -- as we dive ever deeper into the full breath and depth of our 48 Tactical Investment Procedures, and related 48 Business Investment Groups, which thus requires that we divide the above Circle into our 48 Business Investment Groups (or pie pieces), and related 24 Generational Investment Groups (or layers of cake). As such, those 24 Generational Investment Groups correspond to today's 24 Generations (or your age plus and minus 1.5 years) spread-out over your 72-year Average Life Time. Furthermore, this 24-layered by 48-pieced cake when reconfigured graphically for the differences in Wealth & Income, and thus for differences in Generational Voting Power as a result of being Variable Business Owner-Voters who drive all Policies, Organizations, and Procedures by Occupation, becomes a Triangle Cone Cake (or Egyptian Pyramid), with our 8 Young Investment Groups (having the least Wealth & Income, and thus the least voting power by Occupation, as the youngest) being at the narrow tip of our Triangle Cone Cake (or Egyptian Pyramid), our 8 Middle Investment Groups (having more Wealth & Income, and thus more voting power in their occupation, as a result of being older and QUALIFIED) being at the wider middle part of our Triangle Cone Cake (or Egyptian Pyramid), and our 8 Old Investment Groups (having the most Wealth & Income as the oldest, and and thus the most voting power in their occupation if QUALIFIED) being at the widest top part of our Triangle Cone Cake (or Egyptian Pyramid). At this point, the graphic starts to become so more much complex internally that you need a really good computer programmer to allow the user to click through all 48 Tactical Investment Procedures in 3D on our group web site, but now you should understand the WEIGHT of each Generational Investment Group by Occupation; that is, IF QUALIFIED by higher-level Business, Industry, Town, County, State, National, and International Online Congresses JUST LIKE TODAY'S INDUSTRY (or ASSOCIATION) & GOVERNMENT CONGRESSES.
Maybe we can get these groups involved. Just a thought. Actually this is just a ploy so that I can find this again.
Thanks for checking this out. I think I have to come up with catchier titles or something. But this is the root cause, and it's not like we have to do any of the leg work. These groups are already out there and they've been doing this for a long time. Unfortunately mostly in obscurity. But it's time to bring them out into the light.
By the way, you don't play 3rd base for the Yankees, do you. If you you might actually fall into the 1% category
In all seriousness, this is awesome. This forum does need some sort of sticky system so that info like this is the first thing people see...
No, exactly I agree. we should have this information on hand at all times. In fact, we really need to get this information out there, that the evidence is right here on the web. Great resources.
Yes, I am having a conversation with my self. Guess I'm the only one who thinks it might be important to have this sort of information at hand.
Yes, we need to get this information out there.
Yes, exactly, we should have this information. but not only that, we really need to get this out there so that all those still sitting on the fence, or who think we have another motive or agenda can see that this is a real issue and a real problem.
Not a single hit? I know we all know that Washington is swimming in dirty money, but this is real ammo here, this is the proof, by party, by company, by individual congressman and individual bill.
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These are also for all those still questioning the validity of the OWS movement.