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Forum Post: 0peration change of >direction<?

Posted 7 years ago on Nov. 18, 2012, 3:57 p.m. EST by corazonroto (7)
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I admire the efforts of the entire Occupy movement so far. I was part of marches in Oakland (before smashing things became popular). All of the busy "side" projects that this movement has spawned at individual, local and regional levels, along with the occasional collective actions like OccupySandy are all valid and admirable causes.

But what happened to taking on those that oppress the 99%? It is like fighting a magical dragon who keeps growing back two new heads each time you succeed at cutting off one. They just multiple and grow. We fight and fight. On and on it goes. There are too many banks and corporations globally to ever hope to take on one by one. I am still not sure what attacking them gains the 99% at the end of the day with all the smoking remains left behind.

No matter how big Occupy/Anon is (centralized or decentralized), how can you/we ever take on every single corporation and bank globally forever? You might be successful despite heavy losses like the essentially "unbeatable by military options" Taliban has been against mighty foe after foe? People like them in that part of the world and elsewhere have been at war from greedy outside interests for centuries. Nothing seems to change for them nor us.

Anyone see any signs that this will slow down or stop with the way the world is being RUN now? That is because it is run by stupid and corrupt governments who are not thinking of the other 99% of the world. Only themselves and their media, banker and corporate buddies. They do not represent you and me anymore (if ever). Most people who end up in high levels of government are so far removed for our day to day reality that it should be criminal (their ignorance). They FUEL the FIGHT. They WANT CONFLICT. It's good BUSINESS.

You can fight an endless guerrilla war, with battle after battle against a much larger and better "equipped" foe. Fight, run, hide, fight, run, hide, REPEAT. Win a few, lose too much. REPEAT.

But at what price? You think the fighters or the people of these lands like living in rubble and are afraid being either arrested/tortured or bombed from the sky day and night? This goes on forever because the core problems are ignored. It is easier to kill and bomb and fight and run from the problem forever. Back and forth. Both sides. Argue. Fight. Kill. Destroy. REPEAT.

With Occupy, after a very big initial surge, "it seems" that in-fighting, lack of consensus, arrests, investigations, accusations, public disapproval of looting tactics, media ignorance/distractions and massive decentralization into perhaps more successful/accessible smaller/local/regional initiatives, have affected the LARGER GOAL of Occupy that has been side-lined and now become almost unattainable in its present "form"? 99% vs 1% seems like pretty good odds. How come we are losing the fight? Why have we not started the REAL fight yet?

Why not CONCENTRATE Efforts against the Government? Let's face it: banks and corporations get to do what they do because of the broken government system, lobbying, paid for elections, public corruption, incompetence, abuse of authority and malfeasance in office. Banks and corporations caused a massive worldwide financial disaster: What has changed since then? What has happened to those in charge?

How many arrests so far? How many convictions? How many work for the FED and TREASURY now? How many ADVISE government officials STILL? How many STILL influence the highest levels of government? The government listens to THEM FIRST before US. We are still at the end of the line. That's backwards isn't it? Aren't you tired of sitting at the "little kids table" in this "democracy", being told by the "adults" what to do and what is best for US?

The people that caused the financial meltdown still run banks, corporations and most importantly they are the ones STILL making the laws and regulations that CONTINUE to DO NOTHING to CHANGE ANYTHING. Are they thinking about you today and your problems? I doubt it.

Despite MUCH pubic COMPLAINT and PROTEST, the government essentially has done jack squat in the last few years to fix a damn thing and everyone knows it. Maybe that's why it is so easy to distract us: create a problem so big and so bad, that we would rather focus on what was going on in a few general's underpants while the Fiscal Cliff talks go on in the DARK, than deal with anything so huge. Everyone HIDES out at home glued to the "distraction screen". Who can blame them? They were tricked into blaming each other and they worship the distractions day and night to keep from going MAD don't they? We should be OUTSIDE and TALKING TO EACH OTHER. It is the GOVERNMENT that has helped to keep us AFRAID, in the DARK and AT EACH OTHERS THROATS for too many years.

If OCCUPY would concentrate its FOCUS on the SOURCE of the problems, OUR INEFFECTIVE AND WASTEFUL GOVERNMENT, then it might be more effective. That is not saying that what the many offshoots are working on should be dropped or stopped. By all means let the "grassroots" Occupy movements FLOURISH. But, the government is the PROBLEM. THE SOURCE OF PROBLEMS. THE ONES WHO DON'T FIX THE PROBLEMS. THE ONES WHO MAKE PROBLEMS WORSE AND WORSE. It is good business for them and their corporate, banker and media FRIENDS.

If you can get EVERYONE TOGETHER and OccupyGovernment, to stop the incredible incompetence, waste, harm, denial , fraud, corruption, abuse of authority and malfeasance in office that POLLUTES our once great nation, then WE can CHOKE the corporations and banks. Take away their POWER in the ELECTION PROCESS, through LOBBYING and in CONGRESS, and then they won't be able to cause so much DAMAGE to the rest of us 99%..

Occupy should try to put millions of people in the STREETS, nationwide and globally, against the wasteful and corrupt government, TOGETHER as one voice for CHANGE, and the MEDIA will finally pay attention. Don't SMASH anything, and the PUBLIC will join you all.

Sounds simple right?



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[-] 1 points by corazonroto (7) 7 years ago

Remember this when dealing with federal agencies:

18 U.S.C SS 241, 242 makes it a crime for one or more persons acting under Color of Law to willfully deprive or conspire to deprive another person of any right protected by the Constitution or the laws of the United States. Color of law simply means that the person doing the act is using power given to them by a government agency. Enforcement of these laws does not require that any racial, religious, or other discriminatory motive existed. (ignoring petition to redress grievances, failure to keep from harm are what I have experienced)

THIS administration has made some lofty promises about "open government":

  1. SUBJECT: Transparency and Open Government http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Transparency_and_Open_Government

(a) "My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government. We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration. Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness in Government."

(b) "Government should be transparent. Transparency promotes accountability and provides information for citizens about what their Government is doing. "

(c) "Government should be participatory. Public engagement enhances the Government's effectiveness and improves the quality of its decisions."

(d) "Government should be collaborative. Collaboration actively engages Americans in the work of their Government."

  1. SUBJECT: Open Government Directive http://www.whitehouse.gov/open/documents/open-government-directive

(a) "Responding to that instruction, this memorandum is intended to direct executive departments and agencies to take specific actions to implement the principles of transparency, participation, and collaboration set forth in the President’s Memorandum."

(b) "The three principles of transparency, participation, and collaboration form the cornerstone of an open government. Transparency promotes accountability by providing the public with information about what the Government is doing. Participation allows members of the public to contribute ideas and expertise so that their government can make policies with the benefit of information that is widely dispersed in society. Collaboration improves the effectiveness of Government by encouraging partnerships and cooperation within the Federal Government, across levels of government, and between the Government and private institutions."

(c) "Create and Institutionalize a Culture of Open Government. To create an unprecedented and sustained level of openness and accountability in every agency, senior leaders should strive to incorporate the values of transparency, participation, and collaboration into the ongoing work of their agency"

But, it seems those are just more "words", because I know from my own experience and that of too many others that this government is falling far short of those promises above:





http://www.wcl.american.edu/lawandgov/cgs/about.cfm "Since January 20, 2009, the Administration of President Barack Obama has striven to keep his presidential campaign commitment to create "the most transparent administration in history," beginning with his sweeping “Day One” transparency and FOIA policy memoranda. After creating high expectations for the full and prompt implementation of his new transparency policies, however, the Obama Administration and its Department of Justice have struggled to do so -- which has been the cause of continuing concern and even alarm in the openness-in-government community. "


[-] 1 points by corazonroto (7) 7 years ago

distraction has already begun....see how easy it starts?

not "my wants". not "sound bytes" (I don't watch that garbage). no real leaders to get behind (celebrity and fame not hope and change). no "sides" to support nor blame (only ourselves).

I am just observing that it should be US vs THEM. THEM = the Government, who are at the nexus of too many problems unresolved. As usual, it has already become US vs US. It never seems possible that someone can make any objective point anymore without backlash or being lumped in with one side or the other.

On all sides there is no great and grand conspiracy nor evil plan. Just scared people making scared decisions to protect themselves. Stand up to make a point, and both US and THEM throw rocks. Any wonder why things are so bad?

Since it seems to be working so well (making any dent in banks, corporations or the feds) I will leave you to it then...

I am busy with this other mess that nobody wants to deal with, why bother with the big picture right?



(and of course this opens the door for comments about promoting "my" own causes all along...it never ends does it? Trust each other much?)

[-] 1 points by gsw (3324) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 7 years ago

Broken Heart...I feel your pain. My wife went through unemployment, it was a bureacratic, legal nightmare, to get the money she thought she had paid in to, and the government wanted repayment for overpayment.

Just crazy with paperwork, and documentation, legal proceeding, a hundred hoops.

We are not doing this for us, now, but for our children, so we will be able to die knowing we tried to leave the place as good as we got it. (or now grandchildren)

Change will be slow, even when a majority hears the message, as the congress, and electoral system, and the duopoly, and the congress, has been set up to favor conservatism.

It looks like your efforts were successful for you, but you wanted the findings to apply to others. Nice efforts.

[-] 1 points by corazonroto (7) 7 years ago

Yep. I was able to take the state of California to court to the highest appeal level at the CUIAB, and I prevailed against the federal EUC08 program implementation error that had denied me $2786 over 26+ weeks. I had the "Multiple EUC Claims/Applicable Benefit Year/Always pay the initial claim until exhausted" ERRORS REFUTED. I used their own laws and regulations against them and won...

...but when I tried to request that my victory be made a precedent for ALL, the state and federal government freaked out (and violated rights, laws and regulations to cover this up). My case PROVES that EUC08 benefits have been paid INCORRECTLY for MILLIONS nationwide since August 15,2008 (when the Department of Labor published the error and issued it to all states).

For the past year I have fought our government to try to force them to obey the law, regulations and oversight requirements they "SAY" they comply with (but don't when they are the ones in trouble).

Nobody seems to understand the historic harm that has been caused to millions of others who were/are victims OF THE SAME ERROR I already prevailed against (case A0-265448 on 10/20/2011). If there are errors in a program that has spent $97 billion already, and the errors are four years+ old.....that is a historic waste of money that has harmed our country and many many suffering people greatly at the worst of times.

One year+ later, I am still fighting an obtuse government who won't refute my evidence, can't/won't take my case to court to overturn it, and refuses to admit anything is wrong while they make upcoming fiscal cliff decisions about the EUC08 program:


government is the problem....this is just one example....please help?

[-] 1 points by RedDragon (-161) 7 years ago

Sorry - sound bytes, focus on sound bytes - reedit, resubmit, and c ya.

[-] 1 points by gsw (3324) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 7 years ago

I'll join. where and when.


I don't know if anyone had like here, after 9/11 there were "support the troops" - groups on the overpasses of the freeways (by the bases). lots of people drove by. we could get decent signs, get a bunch of people and do same.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8708) 7 years ago

Sounds simple . . . RIGHT???!!!

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 years ago

So, basically, you want everybody to focus on what you want them to focus on.

You wouldn't happen to have one of them good old handy leaders to get behind as well, would you?

Hmm.........was it something I said? snicker

[-] -3 points by richardkentgates (3269) 7 years ago

Still! Exactly why I didn't vote. Most of the people on this forum care exactly as much as Obama does.