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Posted 11 years ago on April 12, 2013, 11:12 a.m. EST by ZenDogTroll
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from South Burlington, VT
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To: Vice President Joe Biden
Dear Sir,
I volunteered with the Vermont campaign to get you guys elected, TWICE.
And now THIS:
[http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3036789/ns/msnbc-morning_joe/vp/51503584/#51490549] - - - - - [outdated link]
- it's the last clip at the bottom of the page
Do memory maps not violate the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons"?
Has this right not already been violated numerous times? Are you not asking for funding to DUPLICATE programs already in existence which stand in violation of both the U.S. Constitution and the Nuremberg Code?
You said Liberals should not be afraid of facts.
I agree. Let us have these facts. Tell us how the mass murderers of the last FIVE DECADES were engineered in the U.S. Let us begin with Ted Kaczynski, Jim Jones, Timothy McVeigh, Aurora, Tucson, and Sandy Hook - and every incident in between.
Tell us who did it.
Tell us why.
Then let us have our full measure of Justice. Let us assuage the victim’s grief and loss with the swift and just execution of all those responsible.
Without Justice
There Can Be No Peace
D. Winter
cc Vermont Congressional Delegation
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Yes, Sci Fiction books & Media are valuable and have a pretty predictive power. I'm not the greatest reader, but do like paper back books and movies.
-Minority Report
-Demolition Man
-12 Monkeys
-Fifth Element
-Star Track
-Dune Series
-Blade Runner
-Soylent Green
Resources, Corporations, Wars, Control of Armies, Control of Populations, Guilds, Networks, Alliances, Treaties, Dark Uses of Science by Government, Corruption of Parliaments, Congresses, Senates, Nobles, ... Usually there is a Hero that fights against the system. Sometimes the hero is an "insider" or part of the military or even a senior officer or the commander.
Unfortunately today, we don't really see Senior leaders of the US Military concerned about the Corporate Take Over of the Government and the Financial Systems. There is a problem with Whistleblowers at the Careerist Level or Executive Levels.
It seems like the last good Investigation by Congress was the Church Committee Investigation of the CIA & Operation Mocking Bird in the 70s. Doesn't look like we will ever have another Investigation like the US Savings & Loan Scandal either. In fact Eric Holder is said to be working on Release of the CEO of ENRON with Time Served.
Dystopian is the word for our Police, Courts, & Banking Systems. It seems most of our big Cities are Financially Dependent and being Propped up by Financial Schemes. Jim Rogers says that Universities are dependent on Trust Funds they set up for Operating Funds, but that those Trusts were poorly invested and they no longer provide the money to keep Ivey League Universities out of ruin in any new crash.
In fact if we want to lay out the Priorities of the USA... It would look like a Military Plan.
Was going to ask about your view on the Invention of Foundations in the USA. It seems the Rich Oligarchs formed these Foundations to implement national Strategies ... the only investigation ever run on their purpose indicates the US Foundations generally were set up in Opposition to American Values & American Goals.
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Long work I guess. I have a link
http://www.thwink.org/sustain/articles/017_PowellMemo/index.htm 3/4 quarters down there is a graph showing the growth of Think Tanks after the Powell memo in 1971.....
I'm pretty sure Think Tanks have the same legal set up as Foundations... and of course Soft Money and PACs do also.
There was an audio clip on an interview of an author for "Seeds of destruction". This author goes back to Rockefellers investment in Agriculture. He says Henry Kissinger was at one of the Rockefeller Farm Units early in his career (corporate career of course as always). Anyway our Agri-business today is the Rockefeller Model. Vertically Integrated Oligopolies.. including the Chemicals, Seeds, Monsanto, Cargil.
And seems maybe Foundations started
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STEM_fields (Legislation & DHS have a new way to get Immigrant Visas)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_(nonprofit)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States
Compulsory sterilization
In 1907, Indiana passed the first eugenics-based compulsory sterilization law in the world. Thirty U.S. states would soon follow their lead.[46][47] Although the law was overturned by the Indiana Supreme Court in 1921,[48] the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of a Virginia law allowing for the compulsory sterilization of patients of state mental institutions in 1927.[49]
Native American women were also victims of sterilization abuse up into the 1970s.[58]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States#Compulsory_sterilization
The Rockefeller Foundation helped develop and fund various German eugenics programs, including the one that Josef Mengele worked in before he went to Auschwitz.[6][70]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States#Influence_on_Nazi_Germany
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_experimentation_in_the_United_States
Public outcry over the discovery of government experiments on human subjects led to numerous congressional investigations and hearings, including the Church Committee, Rockefeller Commission, and Advisory Committee on Human Radiation Experiments, amongst others
1 Surgical experiments
2 Pathogens, disease, and biological warfare agents
3 Human radiation experiments
3.1 Radioactive iodine experiments
3.2 Uranium experiments
3.3 Thorium and radium
3.4 Polonium experiments
3.5 Plutonium experiments
3.6 Experiments involving other radioactive materials
3.7 Fallout research
3.8 Irradiation experiments
4 Chemical experiments
5 Psychological and torture experiments 5.1 U.S. government research
5.2 Academic research
6 Pharmacological research
7 Other experiments
In 1911, Dr. Hideyo Noguchi of the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research injected 146 hospital patients (some of whom were children) with syphilis. He was later sued by the parents of some of the child subjects, who allegedly contracted syphilis as a result of his experiments.[14]
In 1941, at the University of Michigan, doctors Francis and Jonas Salk and other researchers deliberately infected patients at several Michigan mental institutions with the influenza virus by spraying the virus into their nasal passages.[17]
In 1952, Sloan-Kettering Institute researcher Chester M. Southam injected live cancer cells into prisoners at the Ohio State Prison. Half of the prisoners in this NIH-sponsored study were black. Also at Sloan-Kettering, 300 healthy women were injected with live cancer cells without being told. The doctors stated that they knew at the time that it might cause cancer.[42]
In 1955, the CIA conducted a biological warfare experiment where they released whooping cough bacteria from boats outside of Tampa Bay, Florida, causing a whooping cough epidemic in the city, and killing at least 12 people.[43][44][45]
In 1956 and 1957, several U.S. Army biological warfare experiments were conducted on the cities of Savannah, Georgia and Avon Park, Florida. In the experiments, Army bio-warfare researchers released millions of infected mosquitoes on the two towns, in order to see if the insects could potentially spread yellow fever and dengue fever. Hundreds of residents contracted a wide array of illnesses, including fevers, respiratory problems, stillbirths, encephalitis, and typhoid. Army researchers pretended to be public health workers, so that they could photograph and perform medical tests on the victims. Several people died as a result of the experiments.[10][46]
between the 1930s and the 1970s approximately one-third of Puerto Rico's female population of childbearing age had undergone (Sterilization)
http://womenst.library.wisc.edu/bibliogs/puerwom.htm
Gibson-Rosado, Erica M. The Sterilization of Women in Puerto Rico Under the Cloak of Colonial Policy: A Case Study on the Role of Perception in U.S. Foreign Policy and Population Control. Washington, D.C.: The John Hopkins University, 1993.
Medium Age for Sterilization in El Salvador is 26.6.
http://www.engenderhealth.org/files/pubs/family-planning/factbook_chapter_3.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system (Canada has experimented on Aboriginals/natives, sterilized them, and committed human rights violations against them ... without real investigations, resolutions, and it appears the cover up continues to kill off native whistleblowers)
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Meme Problem. I'm still reading the memo and the info. Thanks for triggering me back to it.
There is a Meme Problem
We have all worked in jobs and we see executives and supervisors as people that must make the right decision to move forward with company goals. We all want to believe the powers that be in their complaints, statements, and decisions.
Short answer: You don't have a complaint, go back to work.
The Meme that the US Government is nice guys that always do nice things to help people.
The Meme that Alternative Energy is Expensive
The Meme that Fossil Fuel is the only solution and that nice people keep environmental damage to a minimum.
The Meme that Free trade, Globalization, Free Trade Zones in the USA for Foreign manufacturers, and Tax Incentives, Tax Abatements, Domestic Subsidies to Businesses, Off Shore Bank Accounts, and Decapitalization of manufacturing in the USA .. are all ok.
The Meme that Mitt Romney is okay
The Meme that First Strike Policy in War is okay
The Meme that our complaints are useless and unwarranted
Yes, you are right about 1) defining harm 2) Getting rapid redress for clear, simple, cases using precedents set in stone 3) Transparent Investigations, freedom of information, ... a policy of Glasnost (openness) ... open admissions of failure and responsibility by the government ... resignations by government & corporate heads with provisions to keep them out of the Industry that they have corrupted providing that they have money and means to live without poverty.
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Oooo - A Foundation! Now we're talkin'!!!
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This lawyer may have time http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2013/04/city_settles_la.php
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Think of all the under appreciated part time professors, who are on the edge, marginalized, due to Powell Memo effects.
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Harm quantifiable housing values, underclass not recovered, jobs gone, wages frozen... How about the lawyer that won the OWS books lawsuit
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The foundation Sounds like a brilliant idea, ZenDog,
Someone who does Facebook could easily get a bunch of like minded folk, united and educated to fight ALEC, KOCH, et al.
To educate the public and fight with votes. There is a big untapped 50 percent, mostly lower class that doesn't vote, Chomsky quote from newest video, UBC Ireland.
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Maybe start with our strengths, model on Powell Memo, focus on Universities, professors, democrat state and national legislators, some famous people: Woody Harrelson has a movie "ethos", Matt Damon, organized labor?, down to regular citizen, even to educate nonvoters somehow, maybe free online type course,
Money is a factor, but with a majority of voters, feet on the ground, may prove as valuable as cash. We are closer to the people than republican plutocrats.
The under-Unemployed with communications degrees.
A rolling jubilee. Ows has them to pay off debt. Debt that the banksters/oligarchs have created. Why are we using rolling jubilee funds to pay their debt?? We should be using rolling jubilee funds to grow ows. Like a Foundation. Sounds like the beginnings of a 'People's Society' to me!!
Right on target Renneye! The last thing we should do is give our money back to the Corporate/Government Beast. These feel good tactics actually work against us.
What we need to do is starve the Beast of it's only nourishment. Money!
Thanks 'jrhirsch'. Can't think of a better fit for the idiom, 'throwing good money after bad', than a protest movement who raises money and gives it to the very corporations and .01% oligarchs it is taking a stand against.
An ows foundation though....
Now that would be real growth! A real anchor by which we could work from for a myriad of projects. And if ows doesn't do it, then we certainly can and connect as an affinity group...but ows would certainly be better.
Hmmmm...this calls for a new thread, don't you think? Something like, "Should OWS Form a Foundation?? What Are The Pros & Cons??"
I think I'll put it together today. Thanks again 'jrhirsch'...for the inspiration!!
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"We need a program of psychosurgery for political control of our society. The purpose is physical control of the mind. Everyone who deviates from the given norm can be surgically mutilated. The individual may think that the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal point of view. . . Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. . . . We must electronically control the brain. Someday armies and generals will be controlled by electronic stimulation of the brain."
~Dr. Jose M.R. Delgado, Director of Neuropsychiatry, Yale University Medical School, Congressional Record, No. 26, Vol. 118, February 24, 1974.
http://globalistagenda.org/quotes.htm
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Hahahah ~ O Zen, you're a sick puppy. I like!
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Is chemical control any less abhorent?
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Nope. Replying to your post about the surgical mutilation doctor.
We are under attack from chemical manipulation. Is that any less abhorent?
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Recent rant about monsatan.
Think that’s bad? It hasn’t got bad yet! This shit is out of a 1950’s black and white horror film. Hang on! Guess who just stepped down from the head of the FDA? The now CEO of Monsanto just stepped down from the “leadership” of the eviscerated FDA. Try not to throw up, but before he was at the FDA he was an attorney for Monsanto.
How can things be this bad? Actually, it really, really does get worse. Monsanto has utterly no accountability to ANYONE as concerns the GMOs - genetically modified foods that end up in your food and in your body. Monsanto does not want Americans to know what foods have GMOs in them and they are getting their way.
Study after study shows that GMOs are responsible for the thirty year decline of Americans health, their lifespans, their fertility rates, their increased infant mortality, obesity, allergies, IBS and on and on. Most of Europe has banned GMOs.
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A quick look at the way the "situation" in Boston is panning out, and I'm thinking that anyone not hiding themselves indoors will be putting their heads between their legs to kiss their own arse goodby.
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I don't watch it.
Did they shoot them all?
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Harvard Study Finds Fluoride Lowers IQ Posted on July 28, 2012
Good thing they put fluoride in the water supply all over the United States of America, including here in Boulder where I live. In a study published July 20 online in Environmental Health Perspectives, a US National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences’ journal, the researchers found, amongst other things that:
The children in high fluoride areas had significantly lower IQ than those who lived in low fluoride areas.
Fluoride readily crosses the placenta. Fluoride exposure to the developing brain, which is much more susceptible to injury caused by toxicants than is the mature brain, may possibly lead to damage of a permanent nature.
Another key quote from the Reuters article on the subject:
“It’s senseless to keep subjecting our children to this ongoing fluoridation experiment to satisfy the political agenda of special-interest groups,” says attorney Paul Beeber, NYSCOF President. “Even if fluoridation reduced cavities, is tooth health more important than brain health? It’s time to put politics aside and stop artificial fluoridation everywhere, says Beeber.”
http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2012/07/28/harvard-study-finds-fluoride-lowers-iq/
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http://www.fluoridation.com/atomicbomb.htm
If it was an honest mistake, it was one made out of lack of knowledge.
From you link; (quote) Much of the original proof that fluoride is safe for humans in low doses was generated by A-bomb program scientists, who had been secretly ordered to provide "evidence useful in litigation" against defense contractors for fluoride injury to citizens. The first lawsuits against the U.S. A-bomb program were not over radiation, but over fluoride damage, the documents show.
Human studies were required. Bomb program researchers played a leading role in the design and implementation of the most extensive U.S. study of the health effects of fluoridating public drinking water--conducted in Newburgh, New York from 1945 to 1956. Then, in a classified operation code-named "Program F," they secretly gathered and analyzed blood and tissue samples from Newburgh citizens, with the cooperation of State Health Department personnel. (unquote)
Thanks, Jesse. It all adds up, don't it?
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I've been told somewhere here that the International Criminal courts have no power over the U.S. admin, and as for U.S law, circumventing that seems to present no real problems these days. Vis a vis the fraudsters crashing the economy, and handing out their bailout money as performance bonuses.
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But a docile working class is good for all of us, isn't it?
How about a perpetually ill middle class?
They clearly have enough cash to pay for medications, which will be liberally dosed with heavy metals to further "dull the pain" of subservience.
Just scratching the surface here, is all. Move along. Not much to see here.
Charming. I believe the PTB have settled on chemical control through the water supply and food additives or GMO. Much more cost effective.
....and far easier to usher in, on a seemingly malleable, unsuspecting and indeed 'willing' population.
Like, we have people monitoring what we eat and drink, right?
We can trust them, right?
Rat poison is really safe to drink, if you water it down, right?
Why worry when the PTB have to eat and drink it all too, right?
The link is a Morning (Ho) Joe, NRA, Big Weapons Money, propaganda beat-down of any sensible regulation of this insanely murderous and completely and deviously misrepresented Hobby of Guns.
Is this what you're talking about: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/18/science/project-seeks-to-build-map-of-human-brain.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 ???
The "edit" button at the top of your post works, try it.
So if I understand your suggestion, you think Biden is conducting an evil plot on the human mind?? I have some very old news for you, the 1% and their RepubliCon flunkies are already doing that and have been since they seized the science from the Germans after WW-2 in Operation Paper Clip! Is this a joke?
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Our Vice President just caught wind of what had already been achieved by our research establishment and simply wanted to put that into a better framework for further advancement. Brain Activities Map project will take a long time to do and by that time its implications for you and me will probably be moot.
If you remember how the Human Genome project had been done, have you been personally impacted by its results on your health front yet? For most people, the answer is probably no. The brain is far more analog than digital so it will be far harder to map well than the human genome. Besides, it involves quite a bit of 'software' that came from experience and can frankly migrate to different parts of the brain. Neuroplasticity is NOT a fiction any more and the mapping of the distribution of this 'software' will be far more difficult than the A,T,C,G's of the human genome.
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Coordinated research with a common repository can improve the speed of discovery and reduce funding duplication.
Breakthroughs by their very nature are often totally unexpected but I can imagine some already such as:
1) connecting pre-frontal cortex more with the emotional parts at the base of the brain to allow reason to have more say on the actual actions of people
2) nano-biotechnological diagnostic agents for discerning mental illnesses
3) neuro-enhancement or neuro-suppression of brain regions -- intellectual brain 'surgery'
4) memory prosthetic extensions
What will come from the knowledge and capabilities gained from the research will depend on our ethics so let us teach our children well, to imbue them with morality and ethics.
Understanding our brains may well be the ultimate scientific challenge of all time. Heaven or hell or both can come from the quest. It is up to us.
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1) and 2) may have already been done because the basic technologies already exist but 3) and 4) may be farther away.
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Okay so you want to delve into the dark recesses of human history which I am frankly not very knowledgeable of. I recognize that there were cases of experimentation on human subjects without their consent. The U.S. gained the 'scientific' logs of the Japanese Unit 731 as well as safe-harbored not just Japanese war criminals but Nazi scientists as well. China for example was similarly complicit by being silent. Yes, there went the hi-story of Chimer(ic)a but I cannot be of much help there because it was before my time and I am not in a position of power to do anything about them.
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Please relate your experience of being thoroughly examined and why specifically you did not like it.
If society lacks ethics, let us create it then. Out of nothing comes something. Would you not consider that as a form of progress then?
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Sorry if I stank. I probably have contracted Asperger's syndrome because I failed to discern your emotional undertones.
Have you ever read "The Sound and the Fury" by Faulker?
A lot of ZenDog's posts remind me of that book.
No, but I have heard of it somewhere before, I believe. I do not really recall.
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Alzheimer's disease will be coming with a vengeance but we may be able to ameliorate its effects if we can do neuro-enhancement or have 'USB' memory sticks plugged into the brains of the Alzheimer's sufferers. Note that we have tens of millions of baby boomers who will live to old ages far beyond their parents so Alzheimer's disease will become very significant.
Our 'USB' memory sticks have exceptional memory. Can they help out with the faulty memories of Alzheimer's disease sufferers?
USB sticks have storage only.
The ability to access that storage comes from the operating system reading that storage capacity.
We should be able to initiate read operations on that 'USB' storage once we have decoded and learned to use the language of neural pulses.
It's just a chip, I s'pose.
We still haven't perfected the corn chip, according to Ellen DeGeneres.
It is more than just a chip because the connection between the storage and the electrochemical 'operating system' in the brain must be reliable in communication, durable, cheap, and not cause infection. Perhaps doped organic fibers can work.
Nanotechnology is already well under way, so repairing damaged neural pathways would probably work better than simply hooking up a new storage device to a failing network.
We still don't know what chemical triggers set off responses like nostalgia or fear, but we do know where in the brain certain memories are stored, because lobotomies have been dicked around with for a long time now.
The electronics of a 'USB' stick can work vastly faster than electrochemical storage in repaired damaged neural pathways. Having brain-chip interface developed can offer other benefits, too.
The "stick" is a solid state storage device.
There's nothing intrinsically clever or intuitive about it.
Hooking it up to a slow old operating system will not speed it up at all.
You have a very good point. Perhaps an intra-cranial infobahn will work better. Eventually, we may try to download our consciousness and memories to solid state devices to get around the electrochemical speed limits.
I do not know 'what the fuk were they thinking' but I can venture a guess. The scientific method REQUIRES reproducible results (to beyond statistical uncertainty) not only from one experimental group's setting but also from other groups' settings so as to form scientific consensus. Those who knee down and worship the god of science without using proper foundations in morality and ethics can easily commit inhumane crimes (against humanity, against animals, against ecosystems, against consumers, etc.) in the name of 'Science'. They are like the young apprentice of the 'Magical Flute' who knows the incantations but without the experience and judgment.
Calling for transparency is good. I do not think that the basic techniques that already exist will cause any scientist chagrin if revealed. There may be more application-oriented techniques that are problematic.
No matter how much human beings have fancied ourselves having freedom, security, independence of thoughts, free will, realistic perceptions, and inalterable memories, we are largely and sadly mistaken. Of course we are not totally wrong either if we interpret these terms only as metaphors.
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I am NOT legitimizing criminal behavior. I am just summarizing succinctly what research has already uncovered about human behavior. Knowing about the facts allows us to have empathy, understanding, and better judgment about ourselves as well as the people who exhibit criminal behavior. We can even to some extent immunize ourselves.
Even if all human behavior is nothing more nor less than the result of the synthesis of stimuli (which I accept as being patently true), I am NOT a behaviorist because there is NO way EVER to elucidate the totality of stimuli. The statement that I accept as being patently true can never be proven true because its premise is indeterminate. I am NOT justifying any practical demonstration by pointing out our vulnerabilities. Although we are no more and no less than complicated machines, we can and do exhibit behaviors that many terms can function well as metaphors for. Yes, metaphorically we can have all of these but we need to keep in mind that we created these concepts ourselves 'out of the thin air' to provide for abstraction.
In my worldview, people are still absolutely responsible for their behavior as long as they have been given the leeway to behave as they will. We have rules that we enforce as members of humanity, of a nation, of a society, of a family, etc. The fact (for me) that we are all 'machines' does NOT exonerate our guilt if we do wrong because even as 'machines' we do KNOW better.
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Freedom: Choose from A, A', A'', ... Hey, you have many choices -- of course, they are ALL A's for AAAAAmericans because they are FAR superior than the choices available to the non-AAAAAmericans which are: B, B', B'', ... Yuck! B's!
Security: Let me check your identification, certification, demarcation, classification, to verify your non-national, domestic, non-suspect citizenship; let me check your keywords, emails, wiretap your phones; let me fingerprint you, DNA you, film you, face-recognize you; let me X-ray your luggage, millimeter-wave your body, pat down your full endowment, and explore your body cavities; don't you believe by now that I am doing a great job providing security for all of you? Oops, that would not have happened if the sequester were not in effect. We need more security.
Independence of thoughts: I heard it from Fox; you heard it from me; and Fox heard it from both you and me. Voila! There is a majority opinion that must be heeded by our democracy!
Realistic perceptions: I think therefore I am - Renee Descartes; I fudge (or was that an Alzheimer's moment) therefore I pass - Ronald Reagan? I drink therefore I believe - George W. Bush.
Inalterable memories: History can ONLY be changed by historians; China, North Korea, Japan, and the U.S. are all great historians. Memories can be suppressed, erased, implanted, and altered.
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WTF! Did you have similar concerns over the human genome project??
How about Raygun's "Department of Public Diplomacy"?
Or Nixon's Chile (Shock Doctrine) "experiment," (now available at a Class War front near you!)?
Or the entire Cheney (9-11, Patriot Act, Enroning, "War on Terror," Big Oil-Weapon-Money rape and pillage of America, thing??
Do you really think that Biden is conducting a secret evil plot? Biden? Seriously?
Did you just awake from a coma incurred during the Johnson Presidency? You are overlooking a plethora of more real and likely culprits and schemes.
Biden is probably in the last 100 on a list of millions of more likely evil conspirators. But if "they" are studying/mapping the human brain, maybe they'll finally find a cure for RepubliCon Zombies and their greed-addled 1% Rulers! I'm all for solving that REAL conspiracy!
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So this is no joke, you are seriously concerned that Biden and the scientists conducting this study are up to no good, or potential no good. Of all the fish to fry, this is your choice. OK, there are costs and benefits to all endeavors, I'm sure you know that. And I'm sure you know that we probably know far less about the human brain than we know, and that the human brain is very important to us all, especially to those of us who use it.
If this potentially bad endeavor is your concern, you should pursue it. I'd love to hear what Senator Bernie Sanders thinks about this potential problem. Does Bernie share your concern? Is he in on it? Bernie and Biden are friends you know.
I would be remiss if I did not throw in my opinion, it has served me very very well: There is nothing you can think of that some evil bastard(s) have not tried to use, exploit, twist, steal, lie about, or do harm with. As I said after WW-2 via Operation Paperclip our own RW kooks and spooks obtained the mind science that the Nazis were working on for their own purposes. Who knows what they did with it, but anti-democracy, 1%-owned Cons from Nixon through Cheney and now the NRA sure fool and manipulate people with astonishing aplomb. That said I think we have some catching up to do. Like all new horizons, there will be good and bad things found and unleashed. But good or bad, we as human beings strive to discover and improve, if nothing else. It's what we are here to do. So I think your worries are without merit. Biden may be human and subject to foibles, but I believe him to be an overwhelmingly good man, in the same league as Sanders. We must explore our minds, there lies our future. I also strongly believe in redundancy, it creates competition and greater excellence. Monopolies are inherently bad! I'm not afraid, I hope you'll join me. Am I being Pollyannish about this potential conspiracy? I don't think so, I think there are many many bigger fish to fry. Please keep us informed, I will keep an open mind.
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ZenDog wrote: "The public deserves answers. Given the sheer numbers of sociopaths whom we know about that have engaged in a variety of scientific research in the past, on human subjects, that does involve how we think and how we behave, it is incumbent upon us to demand a pause in any future research remotely related -"
What if harrp,
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/haarp_mind_weather_control.htm
was turned up 10x on the morning of 9-11 while the media identified who to be afraid of. See the last statement of this Canadian researcher who seems pretty open.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQmMs2PThhE
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I've been watching that Canadian researcher for about 14 years thinking he's a part of the problem. The speculation about harrp is mine, and I first considered it in 2003 because I know about an invention called the "nuerophone", which was patented then revoked because of national security:-?
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I'm gonna try that exact same experiment the next time someone sits next to me on the subway.
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It's the NYC subway, so I can't promise anything. We get all types down there.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_EW4PPs_aCl0/SfXcYYMykUI/AAAAAAAAAH0/yfxlWETXxFk/s320/25_tv_land_awards_2009_sid_krofft_marty_krofft.jpg
I think that they removed the video. I can't find it.
So, before I start let me ask for some perimeters. Am I looking at brain scans, memory, and the use of it as a predictor for crime?
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Well, it's hard to guestimate what Biden meant and said. That and I don't know the guy. I see what the media wants me to see. This guy may believe that brain scans are the be all and end all because he has had two surgeries for aneurysms. He may believe that we are far more advanced in this arena than we actually are.
BUT, but attempting to predict criminal behavior has a very long history. A very long history of failure. Cesare Lombroso made the first noted attempt. Very famous book.
Eugenics. That is where this all leads and this is where it comes from. This doesn't keep them from trying it and in the end, it fails, and is disregarded. It is the experiments and the methods behind it that are the problem.
They don't know enough about memory to use it in the manner that they would like to. The most predictable element is the unpredictability of humans. However, they know enough about the basics to abuse it if they so desire. The PR business is reliant on it. FMS still wins a small 3 line paragraph in basic psych test books when it has been shown to be a bunch of shyte.
If I am going to rely on someone for information on memory than it would be this woman here.
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Can you try a different search engine, ZD?
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This one's worth a shot:
http://gibiru.com/
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Oh well, it was worth a shot.
A-haaa. I saw these people talk earlier. I did not see that segment.
NIH. These folks: http://www.nih.gov/
Zen, the MK-ULTRA papers have been burned or so they say.
My dad told me that he was given LSD in Vietnam.
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Here I'm posting this for safe keeping. Cuz it is storming and I keep getting blown off. If it happens again I might have a knipshit. http://www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/national/13inmate_ProjectMKULTRA.pdf
And there are references in there to the Church Committee Reports http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/docset/getList.do?docSetId=1014
My dad is fine. He never used drugs and he said he was given it in a tunnel and I want to say 3 times. It does partially explain his reasons for wanting to be buried upside down. Or front side down, I guess.
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Truth has weight. Truth is heavy. It may be slow, but it is constant. And always...always...heavier than any "copy".
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On the subway today, a couple talking, loudly, gesturing. What were they saying?.......I don't speak Spanish.
Suddenly I thought of Washington, D.C. DC. DC Comics. Legion of Superheroes. Ultra Boy. Ultra
........now why would I think of that?
DC. Take the letters d and c. Replace them with two different letters. What do you get? BY. Do it again. Now it's MK.
How?.........
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And that's a twinkle for you before bedtime!
Sleep well!
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...broken...Six letters...Add a one
Seven....Building 7....................those bastards
Wait
Builder. Seven letters........somebody goofed
We see you
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Do I look worried?
http://www.avclub.com/articles/sid-marty-krofft,60593/
[-] 1 points by freakzilla3 (-98) 0 minutes ago
funny thing is I'm now actually a little worried about the Biden/brain surgery connection. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink
No, you're not. But, you are working overtime to try to figure out a way to use that information.
Bradalike
funny thing is I'm now actually a little worried about the Biden/brain surgery connection.
I have no idea, but Biden was at that hearing so, for him to say (paraphrasing) that liberals get tweaked with not wanting to invest in memory mapping and not get why that might be means that he is definitely not living in the reality of the rest of the world.
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Did any of Biden's beliefs change after his brain surgery? His personality? Did they know back then that one day he would be
.....a heartbeat away?
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That's what they want you to think. They play the long game. Surgery in the 80's. the Oval Office in the..........teens? Sounds weird. That's what we call this decade? Can't be right.
Anyway.
They have..................................................lots of time.
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He is listed on the document that I posted. He was elected in 1973.
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Well, it has the number of institutions, the projects, two safe houses, lots of CYA, Sen. Kennedy tells Admiral Turner to notify the victims, Turner says that there are universities that may not be aware and he wants to let them make a decision if they want to come forward or not. The appendix discusses waiver of regulations. This, of course, allowed much of the information burned. There is acknowledgement that this waiver limits debate. It also discusses why the programs were started and how the army duplicated what was already known.
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You know, it's almost funny (insert insane cackle) that this hearing takes place in 1977. There are already covert operations in Afghanistan.
We can't just say that it continues on but prove it. So, my thinking at this point is that you are looking for the waiver in regulations. budget, foundations.
Like I said, there is a reason that the people in Morning Joe weren't real receptive-in part because of the time and in part because there has been a failure using it as a predictor. Eugenics. What we can't do is say that Biden is not aware of a history here and why that shit is suspect. As an aside, foundations morph.
Kinda strange that in this age of backups, the secret service has none.
Still relying on tin cabinets full of files? They expect us to believe that shit?
http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/jphuck/Book13Ch.2.html
We are talking about a country that will deny the ramifications of DU. If they had a file cabinet they wouldn't talk about it.
All the "file cabinets" got turned to dust in the implosion of building 7.
Lots of nasty bastards got off the hook in that fire incident.
Strikes me as a tad hypocritical that there's only one set of files in one location held by a globalist empirical police unit. All turned to dust.
Oh, but we found one of the terrorist pilot's drivers licence in the street outside. Well spotted, team. rolls eyes Must have fallen from his pocket on impact.
It doesn't look like they were all destroyed. http://www.foia.cia.gov/search-results?search_api_views_fulltext=MKULTRA&field_collection=&page=3&f[0]=type%3Adocument
Thanks, GF. No confirmation of what was lost in building seven. This from prisonplanet; (quote) The SEC has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed. (unquote).
DOD documents relating to the 2.3 trillion unaccounted for in Pentagon spending apparently disappeared completely. Not sure why they weren't kept at the Pentagon.
Please tell us more
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