#OccupyGezi Has Demands
Posted 11 years ago on June 6, 2013, 1:36 p.m. EST by OccupyWallSt
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Millions are in revolt in Turkey. Although the revolt is called the Gezi Park Resistance, it is no longer about saving trees and parks from the neoliberal capitalist governmental plan of urban renewal. Instead, it is a cry of millions of young people for more freedom and democracy. This is a historic protest of young people, belonging to different social classes, holding different sociocultural and political stands that have no political agenda other than the collective will to end state authoritarianism. It is also momentous due to its politicizing effect on millions of middle class urbanite young people who are often criticized as an apolitical digital generation by their elders. Although this uprising is mobilized and mainly consists of young people of different demographic traits, it is also supported and participated by people from all walks of life and different political stripes across the country.
1: Gezi Park must stay as a park
2: Governors and the police chiefs, and everyone who gave orders for, enforced or implemented violent repression must resign
3: Tear gas, bombs, and other similar materials must be prohibited
4: Detained citizens must be immediately released
5: All the meeting and demonstration bans effecting all squares and public areas must be abolished and stopped
That is a well put together set of demands tying together all of the issues.
Imagine.............:)
http://interoccupy.net/blog/imagine/
Yes - imagine - if we could just get past greed - how different the world could be.
this is great and noble and important, but could we direct our energy to the state authoritarianism happening in the country where our own internet servers are located - where are the plans to demand an end to the expansive domestic spying program directed by the US government to surveil and repress its own citizens?
'Cause little Billy, next door is doing it anyway?
The internet was never designed to be secure. It was designed to be robust.
robust in the sense that during a loosely defined "security threat" federal agencies can order its shutdown for an indefinite period of time?
When did they shut it down?
Little Billy will likely find a way around it anyway.
Besides, WallStreet's been repressing us for long before there was an Internet.
here is the executive order that I'm referencing: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/07/06/executive-order-assignment-national-security-and-emergency-preparedness-
Heck, if it's got OnStar, they can probably shut down you car by executive order.
I asked when did they shut it down?
And what about all the WallStreet repression?
Or are you one of those that feels that's OK, because it's Wallstreet after all.
Poor, innocent, maligned WallStreet.
forget it, this was not the right place for me to voice concern/frustration. but hopefully you'll consider the possibility that some of the operations and logistics of undertaking direct action and protest could be threatened because your communications are being monitored in the interest of 'national security'. if this movement or another positive social and political movement becomes compromised because of state surveillance (see: SDS, MLK, civil rights activists) you might consider taking an interest in who is monitoring your communications.
If you want to rant and rave about it, go right ahead.
But it's not new, so don't pretend it is.
Wallstreet and their fellow corporations have been doing it for decades, and law enforcement could always do it without a lot of trouble.
this is nothing new..
of course its not new - but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be a concern. i'm only saying that the "new" news about the NSA is a good foothold... an opportunity for action on a massive scale that might include some of the people whom you've accused me of aligning myself with. i'm on your side here, i'm only making a suggestion. Wall Street, the US Government, NSA, all of those entities fall under the same grouping of 'the state' for me, they all have something to gain and the potential of profiting and benefit from eachothers' interests. this other issue of surveillance is another head on the beast with thousands of heads
Um, where did I accuse you of aligning with anybody??
I just explained that it's nothing new, so why start jerking my knees just because the MSM finally "discovered" it?.
It's not like they say a single word about the corporate invasions of privacy, because corporations pay their bills. so attacking the government is pretty "safe" for them..
It's OK to be mad at all authority, but they're not all them, at least not yet.
but all of the people who pay attention to the "MSM" and take it as gospel are still potential protestors, any "discovery" with the potential to upset could be enough to get them outside and take more action than simply voting. and you're absolutely right about silence on corporations since major media outlets are of course corporations and are some of the primary collectors of individuals' private data alongside the government. how could they ever admit to that?
I felt that you were somewhat accusatory when you mentioned: "Or are you one of those that feels that's OK, because it's Wallstreet after all. Poor, innocent, maligned WallStreet." and if one were to feel that way about a monolith such as the financial industry, that would seem like alignment to me
Sorry about that, but it's hard around here, when so few, say so little against WallStreet unless they feel they can tie it to an administration.
So I apologize for giving you that feeling.
I've started threads on Wallstreet and watched them fall way, ignored for the latest MSM political kerfluffle.
In my estimation, this is just the Patriot Act in motion. the MSM just figured out, it applies to them too. So I for one, am not jerking my knee, over what's been going on for decades.
If you think the general public will demonstrate over it? So be it.
But I'll be keeping my eyes on Wallstreet and folks like the Kochs, thank you very much.
They are at least 10X as evil as my government, and the MSM says barely a word about them.
They bitch about the government each and every day.
that's ok, no problem. i can understand the frustration in seeing it constantly get pulled back to a political party/administration when it is certainly not that simple... I agree with you 100% there, it is naive and dangerous to reduce it down to merely "the government" and this is perhaps the role of the major media corporations... to distract from all of the other guilty parties (Wall Street / financial industry, Koch Bros, pretty much any conglomerate out there).
I don't expect an actual, open critique of corporate, financial, or government power from CNN, FOX, the Big 3, etc ... this is left to us. thank you for the discussion
the media and government attempts to trivialize the dissatisfaction with central authority in a decentralized world of information
Good - they have quite clearly made statements of need. It is good that we should help give their message wide coverage.
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I'm sure this comment will earn me many friends-
This is so sad
another OWS - lots of actions - lots of complaints - lots of "nos" -
AND NO DESTINATION or ROADMAP
so much of OWS was full of brilliant activists who loved NO
no capitalism
no wall street
no parties
and who sought impossible goals
anarchy
alternate currencies
direct democracy
end the fed
no leaders
consensus
and we fizzled -
OWS is 10% of what it was
and
OWS is 1% of what we could have been
This is so sad
SPECIFICALLY - they want "DEMOCRACY" - Turkey does have elections and the voting age is 18.
Do they want to change this? What is their path to change?
Are the 1% trampling the 99%? What is their path to change?
Is there a religious - non-religious schism? What is their path to change?
This is so sad
Just like OWS - they can fumble around with demands, but they must form a small number of very clear goals and a unified path to get there.
or they will be where we are
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I saw that, I found that very interesting and hopefully this post will inspire some in depth discussions.
To demand or not was a very heated topic. One that never really got settled imo.
It's very romantic some people uprising against government and when you see it you are becoming happy and supporting without thinking.
OccupyGezi supported by all bankers of Turkey. A bank's CEO walking in the streets everyday. Do you know why ? You don't know why.
Because government wants to limit interest rates of banks. Turkey doing what your government can't do against your bankers. You are fueling Turkish banks with your one sided editorial.
You are occupying wall st but you don't care rest of world. Just being happy when you see riots...
Have you any evidence or links to support your assertions ? Of course we are very suspicious of The Infernal Banksters here but note that we are no less suspicious of reactionaries too ! In the meantime :
''The view from Taksim Square : Why is Turkey now in turmoil?'', by Elif Shafak : http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/03/taksim-square-istanbul-turkey-protest ;
''People Have Killed Their Fear of Authority - and the Protests are Growing'', by Ece Temelkuran : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35175.htm ;
"Birth of a Turkish Spring - A Taste of Tahrir at Taksim'', by Sungur Savran : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35157.htm ;
"Turkey's Erdogan Gets Taste of His Own Medicine ?'', by Daniel McAdams : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35149.htm &
"What is Happening in Istanbul ?'', by Tarihinde Yayımlandı : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35162.htm .
The injunction against usury and 'interest' in Muslim societies is a very real and interesting point though.
fiat lux ...
Maybe the bank's CEO lives on the edge of Gezi Park and hates to have the others-maintained park turned into a shopping mall.
Some of the most expensive real estates and most desirable living quarters in Manhattan are on the edges of Central Park (imagine an 800+ acres of front lawn and garden maintained by other people). Keeping Gezi Park green can raise the desirability of real estates to well-heeled people and make the property owners near it wealthier.