Moving Forward Together: An Open Space for Discussion
Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 1, 2011, 1:36 a.m. EST by OccupyWallSt
When: Saturday, Dec 3 from 11am-6pm @ 311 W 43rd St.
Since losing our encampment, different spaces have been used for continued discussion and creative reflection together. This Saturday, a process called Open Space will be piloted to look at what we value, what we’ve accomplished, and where we are going. Please join us as an individual or with your work group. Invite friends, family or any others who you want in this conversation with you. Open Space is based in decentralized small conversations that are documented and shared with the whole group. It is more resilient to disruption and less centered on facilitators. There will be opportunities to be trained in hosting Open Space gatherings in the coming weeks if people are interested.
You can learn about Open Space here and here.
Contact OpenSpaceOWS@gmail.com with any questions.
I think we need to just gear up for a HUGE Washington protest in the Spring. Take over the mall area and dont leave. Democrats and Republicans are corrupt, they are the real problem. Occupy Washington during months before an election, they will listen. That needs to be the next step to make real change I am afraid. All the occupys together as one, hundreds of thousands of people.
YES! I think this should have been done sooner.... but the spring would be perfect. A massive protest on the Washington Mall during an election year would send the politicians scrambling. They would either have to make the necessary changes or risk losing an election.
With the monies donated to the various OWS groups throughout the country, transportation and "life support" wouldn't be an issue.
I say push this idea very hard!!!
1 priority. get big money out. Please read Puff's post. Thank you.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-only-issue-the-only-issue-get-money-out-of-pol/
http://www.getmoneyout.com
Agree 1000%. A lot of young people down at the protests have all sorts of different agendas but the root of all the problems is that our democracy is broken thanks to lobbyists. 2/3 of the states can go around congress to get this down if needed.
2 thumbs up!
Occupy together, in DC, Yes. HUGE is right! Occupy by the millions... but is Spring soon enough? We've got to do something about the indefinite detainment without due process ASAP. It should be a motivator. I don't watch MSM but I don;t think it's getting much attention... we can take care of that. We should have done something about the Patriot Act as soon as they brought it up... now look where we are. DHS spying on people for watching a documentary, FBI violations every hour, and that's with the 'Patriot Act'.
They have been sneaky about this Senate bill 1867, and passed it 93%... we can't let it become law, and we need to have them repeal the Patriot Act while we're at it... get some Rights back... Priority #1 is keeping out foot in the door of them closing our society! Give Me Liberty! http://saynotocorporateamerica.blogspot.com/2011/11/give-me-liberty.html
-- "We can form a single united body, while the enemy must split up into fractions. Hence there will be a whole pitted against separate parts of a whole, which means that we shall be many to the enemy's few." -- -- "To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." -- ~ from 'The Art of War' by Sun Tzu
There has been a battle of 'them against us' for decades so we should approach this movement with the 'Art of War' strategy. Divide and conquer is what they've been doing with the false 2-party system but that's not working for them so well anymore. I firmly believe 'The Art of War' by Sun Tzu is essential knowledge for our movement now that we are taking the offensive... I suggest every OWS supporter know it well.
We have a lot of advantages; we have the numbers, we're on the side of right, the 1% are nothing without the 99% and nature's law says it's 'survival of the fittest', but we really do need a united strategy... knowing who 'they' are and what 'they' do is critical so we can keep them on the defensive... because we will keep it peaceful. I believe the Senate's sudden push to give POTUS the power to use military force in America [no due process and indefinite detention for all] is them pushing back against OWS... so OWS needs to address it ASAP. This is quite serious. Peace 'Hacking Freedom for Fascism' http://saynotocorporateamerica.blogspot.com/2011/12/hacking-freedom-for-fascism.html
ATTENTION ALL OCCUPIERS, PLEASE Look at these FACTS, Review the Evidence of this High Treason! It is High Time WE STOP IT! Ignore at our peril. 'Trails of High Treason': http://saynotocorporateamerica.blogspot.com/2011/12/slime-trails-of-high-treason.html
Corruption requires a briber and a bribee. Politicians are funded by corporations, and they have legalized the bribery process, most recently with the Citizens Untied decision.
Right on, nucleus,
Democrats and Republicans are corrupt because they both take money from the corporate elite and follow their agenda. It is the corporate elite who select most of the government. They are the source of this system.
So yes, let's protest in Washington. But don't forget who controls both parties, and don't let us be confused with the "government is the problem" people, who then conclude that we need lower taxes (mostly on the rich) and fewer services (for the poor).
The Citizens United decision runs wholly counter to the true value of the freedom of speech. Speech should be valued based on its content, not on how high one can crank up the volume knob on a boom box. If the rich merely need to crank up the amplifier to a level where other voices drown or people's virtual eardrums are broken, that is not fostering a government by the people but rule by the wealthiest of speakers. Justice Stevens in his dissenting opinion states the truth: "At bottom, the Court's opinion is thus a rejection of the common sense of the American people, who have recognized a need to prevent corporations from undermining self government since the founding, and who have fought against the distinctive corrupting potential of corporate electioneering since the days of Theodore Roosevelt. It is a strange time to repudiate that common sense. While American democracy is imperfect, few outside the majority of this Court would have thought its flaws included a dearth of corporate money in politics."
http://www.amazon.com/Throw-Them-All-Out-ebook/dp/B0062N35X8/ref=pd_rhf_se_p_t_3 Them being the Congress. This article will show just how corrupt they are.
Democrats and Republicans are corrupt because they both take money from the corporate elite and follow their agenda. It is the corporate elite who select most of the government. They are the source of this system.
So yes, protest in Washington. But don't forget who controls both parties, and don't let us be confused with the "government is the problem" people, who then conclude that we need lower taxes (mostly on the rich) and fewer services (for the poor).
The price for blending in with the Ron Lawl people will be impotence - an inability to set goals which will help the 99%. That might be the consequence of unqualified anti-government rhetoric.
How 'bout a million or more. Days of events, GA's galore. Develope ows broadcast or cable.
It is so heartening to see the adaptable organic nature of OWS. Keep up the pressure. You've gotten the attention of the status quo and it is going to get harder and uglier. Don't back down. Don't resort to violence - ever. Keep on point and peaceful. We will prevail.
Keep Improvising. Keep Changing. Keep Adapting. Keep Learning. Fair-ness.
i life fair-ish. but, noooooooo, that's double speak.
Dear Occupiers,
I have been in the freedom movement a long time.
And after having visited the OWS in New York (including doing an interview there the day we were evicted--I say we, because those camping there represented all of Us) and following the Occupy Movements in the West, I see that the keys to the Occupy Wall Street movement working as well as it did in NY were:
It was just a cool place to visit.
It was fun. Party atmosphere. Free food. Nice people. Easy conversations about deep topics. No judgement. Anyone could participate. (I got to fold flyers at the anarchy table with my new friend Thaddeus 10 mins after I got there). It was like a big bunch of friends. A family.
It was creative.
MIC CHECK! No speakers? No problem. No generators? No problem. OWS solved every problem thrown at Us. Until the the police knocked the wind from Our sails.
However, knowing that this could happen, a creative solution could have existed for this eventuality as well.
These people were there for the right reasons and trying change something we all knew needed changing. They were saying the right things. It resonated. They were rewarded with a $500K in funding from those who wanted to support without being there.
So, how will OWS succeed in the future, if it is to succeed? Are you listening?
Occupy Needs to be the Coolest, Funnest, most "In" place to Be. Period. And why shouldn't it be?
OWS can create an entirely new society in every park, parking lot, and abandoned building in which it operates. We need to go beyond creative. We need to go beyond fun. 1000 person GA's are not fun. Dealing with objections is not fun. Drafting resolutions is not fun.
So, how do we get fun?
Pick what you want to change Get a group of max. 6 people to work on how that will be done in a creative, fun exciting way. Something that will 1) excite and interest the normal person. It can be for only 15 minutes. But it should be interesting. Press worthy. And fun. (Call me if you don't have any ideas!) Go do that thing. 1000 people is 166 groups. Doing 166 things. In 166 places every week. 2 hours planning. 2-4 hours doing the thing.
That can't be stopped.
That can't be ignored.
Cops are people. If it is cool. They will laugh. They will clap.
Don't antagonize.
It's a game. Life is a game. Protest is a game. Changing the world is a game.
Play the game. Enjoy the game.
Stay cool Stay fun Stay creative Stay RIGHT Don't do anything that isn't fun.
Now go change the world.
http://www.bayraba.com/occupy-must-be-the-greatest-place-around/
Keeping it fun is KEY
Hi. I can’t be there but keep going and space key. There is always underground -- but Liberty Park was an amazing place to visit which I did and ask OWS to join protests. Here I am week 3 or 4 can’t remember. Had a very traumatic day -- can’t explain but here I am by Rudin Management sales offices -- we call them blood condos -- Rudin is putting in luxury condos where St. Vincent’s is --was....across the street a “band-aid” posing as a hospital. There will be ambulance doc -- ambulances - for what to take sick dying people to Beth Israel and hope they don’t die on the way. Even the NYPD agree we need a hospital. Rudin’s retired NYPD want me removed the way OWS was. One retired NYPD talked to me about being arrested. I told him my response. So far no arrest. I have not broken any law. 1st amendment rights but here in NYC OWS protestors arrested not corrupt politicians breaking the law. http://suzannahbtroy.blogspot.com/2011/12/suzannah-troy-with-judy-community.html
Maintain! Don't let anyone turn you around! The status quo is trying to weaken you and make you believe that it's all over, but it's not! It has just begun! Your (our) thought energy is out there in the ether. Like a plant, it must be cared for constantly so that it will bloom into reality. Keep meditating to keep your thoughts on a high and positive vibration and your intentions will come into being, sooner or later.
I think an organized rally across the public spaces is a must, like subways, parks,employment exchanges ,.etc, people should be aware of activities happening in OWS, this will help them to get a first hand information. Pamphlets describing the objective & goals of OWS should be distributed with newspapers & magazines. The police may try to push our efforts under the carpet, but by the end of day cops belong to 99% & sooner or later they will join in to overthrow 1%
Occupying is a great piece of the puzzle. It has raised awareness and has connected people and resources that might otherwise have been stagnant in this movement. I hope to see more action within the system. Using the system to change the system. More leadership creating ballot measures for referendum, where the peoples true voice is heard. More peaceful marches and protests with the required permits. Always Peaceful, Lawful, Clean and Intelligent.
You guys have come this far. You've changed the course of history. The people on top know this and fear this. One of you are equal to all of you. You cannot give up. If need be to suffer in the encampments without luxuries, then so be it. You must let your selfishness go. A winner is one who suffers for his cause. Make yourselves winners. Go back to Zuccoti and show the world you are not afraid.
We did not lose Liberty Sq. General Bloomberg used his Army and stole it. The general only cares about $$. Many side walks in the city. NYPD loves over time , make the general pay, buy any peaceful means necessary.
I would suggest that the people take a page from other recent protest movements and prepare for what can be called VALLEY FORGE. It could be Operation VALLEY FORGE, it could be VALLEY FORGE II. Either way it is a powerful image that applies here as well as anywhere. In the winter of 1777 the rebel forces were in desperate condition with citizen soldiers leaving the encampment by the hundreds. Yet they returned with the spring and continued the fight. That is what the OCCUPY has to do. Anticipate and plan for the draw down and then the return in force with the spring. We must continue to build our "huts" and provide for the skeleton force that must remain over the winter in the face of overwhelming odds. I would suggest that individuals form action teams of at least 7 people each so that each member would have to maintain a presence only one day per week. If teams can be formed of more than 7 , the time on duty can be reduced. It is critical that the movement be visible over the winter and we must begin to plan and anticipate now for the worst of the winter. VALLEY FORGE is the perfect model for what we are at right now. We must hold a presence for the "troops" to come back to in the spring. We have all winter to plan the spring campaigns. Let us be about it. Live free!
How about supporting “Occupy Voting Booths,” and the idea of a one day Nationwide General Strike on Election Day, November 12, 2012, with the proviso that the strikers all pledge to VOTE on election day. Vote instead of going to work. This would send a powerful political and economic message to our Political and Corporate establishment. The 1% may have more money, but the 99% has more VOTES. Wouldn’t it be nice to have Voters to vote for the candidates you select. John Rudden. NYC
Exactly! Dollars don't vote; citizens do. If you dislike everyone on the ballot, write-in someone you do like.
A video for The 99%. We've awakened and we won't go back to sleep.
http://youtu.be/Inncl71jOeU
We've come a long way baby!
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open space?
seems to me same space.
same algorithm:
i could be wrong.
corruption is a hierarachy that defines evil-worse-bad-good-better-best-great.
does it not bother your sence conscious: that loterry is a poltical-economic 'game' whereby the political/economic 'rich' class collects play-to-play tickets/ ballots, a poor tax, to dream like the rich, famous, 'political' wealth 'stars'??
We need the tools to have our voices heard. Once we have the tools we can pursue change. I propose
www.bepartofcongress.com
a govern maintained website were the people vote on public bills presented to the house of rep.
Even most republican's support taxing billionaires, but they are not heard.
The political machines of both parties always tell us what we want, it should be the other way around.
www.bepartofcongress.com
open space? @ michael lindfield. boeing?
there are serval layers to the all seeing eye, great pyramid icon/seal of USA.
the question is: how will %ows define it-self?
is there a disjunct between "on the ground" and the cyber-space controllers of this 'open space' ?
open letter to congress/people:
1) how many people in this _ district live below the poverty level?
2) who do you serve, poverty, or wealth?
3) why does wealth ideology logic define it - self as: 'trickle-down'?
4) why does 1% wealth define 'democracy' vis. political-shills as 'employers' , employee; leaders - followers, rulers - rules?
5) why do we have regulations? did madoff happen in a vacuum?
open space. post to your political rep. ( hope fully in your own words)
Some suggested demands: Roll back the clock... To big to fail banks and other corporations, get broken back into small competitive corporations. Return of monopoly laws. Return of law that doesn't allow media to own more than one media company. Two thirds of everything manufactured by a US company, must be made in the US. Return tariffs back on in ports. Full time positions must have full, affordable benefits for both the employee and employer. Full time positions can't be divided into 2 or more part time positions. A company can't hire temps on a position for more than a month, unless the job is being held for an employee that is dealing with their own illness or that of a family member, pregnancy or deployment. No serial hiring and firing. Reinstate Whistle Blower Protections with teeth. No firing, or lay offs by elimination and restructuring of positions, or other slimy tactics, especially for employees nearing retirement. All discipline of employees, must be recorded, with a copy given to the employee. CEOs can still be rich and lead a rich lifestyle, but not at the expense of their lowest paid employees. There should be and independent grievance council to hear cases where one employee is made to do the job of 2 or more employees. No retribution allowed.
they ask what do they want ? what are their demands ? well how about a world where justice exists. when people make 100 million, 200 million they dont earn it they steal it. what i want is a new world based on the welfare of every human being. is that clear enuf .
OWS, I support you, but I really think that you should be spending more and more time occupying Capitol HIll. Yesterday the S.1867 Defense Budget bill passed (97-7). There are two sections of that bill that leaves the door open for an American suspected of terrorism (btw look at Homeland Security profile of a suspected terrorist--it will scare you silly) could be arrested by the military here or abroad(with no miranda rights read, no charges pressed, and no trial and they could be detained indefinitely). This awful bill may become law because the Senate has well over 2/3 the votes and they can challenge Obama if he chooses to veto this bill.
Also, there are other bills floating around Congress that are alarming to say least. Please OWS have more active protest in D.C. in addition to protesting on Wall Street. We simply can't ignore what is going on in Capitol HIll. Please consider.
Million Occupier March on Washington! I am packing now.
All of us at the protests, and even those just supporting OWS could soon be facing indefinite detainment, with NO due process. THAT should be major topic. What should OWS do about the 'Indefinite Detention" S1867, - military defense bill Senate passed this week?! They passed it 93-7... not good folks! Spring may not be soon enough because this country is closing fast.
Sure, Obama threatened to veto, he may... maybe it's a campaign tactic, maybe not. 93 Senators voted for this and we've heard Obama go back on his word too many times before; he wanted indefinite detention for future crimes and has renewed the traitorous Patriot Act... WE really really need to be all over this one because they are trying to quiet all dissent.
Paul Craig Roberts talking about Senate Bill 1867 (Gestapo party) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEMDX2iuHyI&feature=player_embedded
'Obama announces detaining Americans for future crimes' and more on the police state closing America here, Give Me Liberty:, http://saynotocorporateamerica.blogspot.com/2011/11/give-me-liberty.html
Go to Facebook Seach "Let's Start a New Political Party" Forum to Discuss Starting a New Party Just Started Last Night It's time to get leader to the movement and challenge politicians with the only thing they care about..the prospect of losing their jobs.
could somebody tell me more about this event..will it be held indoors?
does one need to be there at 11am, or can one show up at anytime?
this sounds very interesting, but i would just like to hear more on this post about the event, cause i am trying to decide how to best use my day tomorrow...i usually like to go to the think tank, but this Open Space discussion seems interesting, i just don't want to head up there and not find anybody...
Lefty arguments are fraught with asterisks, exceptions, caveats, considerations, footnotes, excuses and pie-in-the-sky moral posturing coded in a lexicon that most people don’t even get. Great read
http://goo.gl/AjPyu
I empathize with OWS. I'm 27 year old US international lobbyist currently in Europe. I work for governments and corporations. While I have it pretty good my generation and friends do not. I just as easily could be drowning in student debt with no job out look if it wasn't for a bit of luck.
None the less being a bit of an expert on communications.. Decentralized, unconsolidated "discussions" are why liberal hippie youth will never accomplish any thing.Further why the GOP beats DFL many times - even though policy rarely reflect the interest of the people voting for them.
At some point you will need to have serious dialogue for change. To be taken serious please change the language from a whining, poor me, all the corporations fault, to a confident this is ours (USA), we add value to it lexicon (reason for investment) - corps love investment.
Offensive and self assured, further get a hair cut and wear a fucking suit when interviewed on TV. No one wants to see dirty hippies. Pay a spokesperson.
I want there to be change but this is a bit of a game. And for fuck sake just start doing action on 3 basic main points. Simplicity and empathy with your detractors is always the best policy. Play the corporate game, by their rules but with your ideas and creativity.
Part II of my previous post
The outrageous answer is that the U.S. government and the Fed that runs it have no interest in helping me or any American citizen with their mortgage problems. For the foreign banks are bailed out as our debt masters and we the people get sold out as debt slaves. When you have a liquidity issue banks come down on you with manacles of nasty letters and lawyers, but when a European bank has a liquidity problem there is the Fed handing its spoiled banker children freshly printed up cash allowances and free money to buy yachts that spout champagne in the shower and to rob emerging countries of their resources – all courtesy of the American taxpayer slave who sees no benefit from her contribution. Is this starting to sound like Animal Farm to you?
I want to ask Mr. Bernanke another question, “While you are printing up those dollars for European banks and debasing our currency and causing inflation, can you please print some up for me as well? Could you also spare a printed dollar for my local library to hire a children’s librarian? High school kids in my community score in the 37th percentile in reading, 27th percentile in math, and can’t even begin to be able to understand the economic matrix they you absorb them into. Even the Environmental Protection Agency’s Community Outreach that came to my door a few weeks ago can’t do its job protecting me from Hovensa Oil Refinery’s violations and pollution for lack of funds. It’s now legal in Topeka, Kansas to beat your wife and kids because they can’t fund the cops or courts to criminalize domestic violence anymore. So where is my taxpayer money going if it’s not going to help neither my community nor me? What kind of freedom is it getting me? Where is my “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, that the Declaration of Independence, which my daughter is memorizing in school, guarantees? Why do I bother paying taxes at all?”
It is clear that our government and monetary system bow not to me nor my fellow citizens but bow to Wall Street, as The Wall Street Journal reported Thursday that Wall Street met with a Fed representative in September about European banks. This is criminal, unjust behavior and blatant theft from the American people. My local public library is being systematically dismantled and is all but closed; my public school system is in shambles and children can’t read or know of their rights to open records; health facilities and public services are shut down; true unemployment is at Great Depression levels and the only jobs you can get here are as retail slaves in Home Depots, casinos and hotel gulags that continue to get tax breaks, special legislation and taxpayer bailouts – even to pay their banker debts with! We are even forced to pay for government electrical usage through a thing called LEAC. The Greeks could not have written a better comedy or tragedy as the chorus utters "lobbying, bribery, printing, counterfeiting." Worse, the U.S. military-industrial empire now occupies abroad with endless unconstitutional wars, clandestine with its clone wars, rivaling Star Wars plots. Small wonder that Obama and Clinton are knocking on Myanmar’s door, as they just set up military shop in Australia to keep China in place and the debt-slave machine churning, while our soldiers come home in body bags, suicidal or with head injuries, all of their young lives betrayed.
This is not an example of moral living, justice or any taxation with representation. This is tyranny, treason and terrorism. This is an illegal bailout for the debt masters that shackled economically shocked and fatigued debt slaves with their mortgage and monetary scams. I nor any American citizen have nothing wrong – only the system was turned against us using usurption and deceit. One can argue that all of this debt is odious debt; debt created in usurious and criminal racket schemes to intentionally defraud the American people, debase their currency and destroy their economy and freedom. It is not valid debt. We will not pay it. In times like this, sacred texts of our nation such as the Declaration of Independence demand of me as a citizen to reiterate their words and stand up to this tyranny. This tyranny is that of our current form of government that is merged with the corporations – artificial bodies. That is the definition of fascism. Just ask Benito Mussolini. This is a fascist government that represents neither a single U.S. citizen nor me, but only a global banking cartel engaged in neo-serfdom slavery and war-for profit through their debt scam.
I believe in paying taxes to fund the public good and to serve as a social net in times of human need and disability, such as a widow who receives Social Security for herself and children after the trauma of her husband’s suicide when he didn’t get a sweet deal from the Fed. I believe my taxes should be going into the mouths of children and families; the arts; educational institutions and libraries; science and the environment, health care and efficient public transportation for the people. My taxpayer funds, however, are turned over instead to a banking King and is wasted on his folly of war. Let us remember the words of U.S. Founding Father Thomas Jefferson: “I believe the banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.”
Since the taxes are not truly serving the true and real body – the American People and the Republic as it correctly should – and is serving the artificial body of a bank run fascist government, I can no longer make the error and pay taxes to this tyrannical and corrupt system that serves neither me nor my neighbor. I insist that my tax money be able to be paid into an escrow account and put into an independent American People’s Fund, where the escrowed money is held in physical gold and escrowed for the American people pending a Constitutional review of our banking system and the relationship between the Fed and foreign banks. Then we the people can gather at our local public library and ask, “Are America’s resources of printing money Constitutional? Is there proper Constitutional oversight of the U.S. Federal Reserve’s activities? Are the rights and wealth of American being subjugated or compromised over the private interests of private banks, foreign or otherwise? Are the American people’s taxes representing their needs or that of some others’ special interests?” The answer is no.
Occupy and use your democratic nest of freedom - your local public library to re-read our country's sacred texts and act on their requests. Write letters to your newspaper editors, such as mine below.
The Second Declaration of Independence. QUESTIONS FOR BEN BERNANKE ABOUT FREEDOM AND EQUALITY
Here in The United States Virgin Islands we read a story in the newspaper recently about Freedom Fighters’ Day, commemorating a 1733 slave uprising on St. John. Record amounts of people turned out to hear the story and experience the local history of emancipation. But I have to ask the people a question. “What makes you think that you are free?”
I also have some questions for the banks and our government about freedom, equality, truth and justice and all those things that the history and the United States are supposed to represent. Because the U.S. Federal Reserve, a private bank, and its Chairman, Ben Bernanke, on Wednesday made it easier for European banks to access U.S. dollars. My big question is, “Don’t I as an American citizen have the same right to access these dollars, too? Don't I have a right to receive a taxpayer-funded bailout as much as a foreign-owned bank? Shouldn’t American citizens be assisted before foreign banks? Where is my taxpayer bailout and new interest rate for my troubled mortgage, business or any other monetary problem I encounter? The Fed gave corporations, such as McDonalds and Harley-Davidson, the same special financial treatment. Why have I and my millions and millions and millions of fellow American citizens - one quarter of them with mortgages in fact - in the same liquidity crunch as banks with their underwater mortgages, not received the equal treatment that the banking institutions received?” It is unjust that I have a liquidity problem with paying an underwater mortgage on a rental property in Denver. It’s now going into foreclosure and my bank, the Credit Union of Denver, in cahoots with Colonial Savings, refuses to refinance or work with me to arrive at the same deal that my government and its Wall Street-owned Fed is giving - and has been giving for some time - to the global corporate banking cartel’s European branch.
I cite my American taxpayer rights to refinance my mortgage with 25 cents on the dollar, such as the deal Greece got. I want to ask Mr. Bernanke, “Where is my taxpayer deal on interest rates, refinance and printing up money when liquidity is tight? Because while this special deal between the Fed and European banks is going on right now I now face foreclosure and get no bailout or help from the Fed for my taxpayer money that it is being printed up and distributed to foreign countries. The same thing happened to my husband, who committed suicide on March 24, 2003 over a liquidity problem that led to the bankruptcy of his Denver advertising business. Where was his bailout, Mr. Bernanke? Can you please answer that question? His two children would like to know.”
I don't get it. Where is this thing? One piece says it's at Zuccotti Park and another says it's at 311 W 43rd. Which is it? If it's at a loft some place, what are you gonna do if 1000 people show up?
From the LA Times:
"The reek of urine and unwashed bodies hung over the former Occupy Los Angeles camp Wednesday as masked sanitation workers hauled away 25 tons of debris from the barren lawns around City Hall."
Ouch.
My contribution for the meetings I am unable to attend: the Occupation should be FUN! Camping is Fun! Esp. in the middle of Manhattan! With drums! A novelty!
And many people came from all over the US and the world just to see that while I was there--it was fun! It was cool!
Picketing is not fun.
Blocking intersections for most people is not fun.
Find a way to make your point in a fun and enjoyable way and everyone will join you.
Dear occupiers, as a sign that you have demonstrated that such action is not a of 1%. State 1% level deputies, 1% military, 10% of civil servants, %5 of police and their families. Is the number of with families with 85%. So you do this you need to specify clearly the true cause of action. Someone may not like you.
That depends my friend, on the scope of your scale.... are we talking of all the people in the world, the people on that continent, or the people in America, or the people next door? At the moment, 10% of the world control 90% of the resources of this planet. I am no-one. And I am someone. And I say, and only I, that whilst it may be true, that those few, those very few amongst us, who have the rudder, that we call power, the steering wheel that we call influence, whilst they may be of good nature, or, they may be skilled moral people, but those things are far from requirements of those positions, and, I have serious issue with that. I have serious issues with the abuse of the many by the few, and the abuse of power that infects and afflicts us all. I have serious issue with structures, that damn me, my family and yours to suffering, and damn my environment also.
My issue, is not with any single person, but with any structure which could allow such blatant abuse of all that is known to be good, in the guise of greed. My issue is not with crime, but the system that promotes it. My issue is not with drugs, but with the system that ensures that they are marketed to my children. My issue is not with you my friend, for you are bound tighter than I. My issue is that we stand by, proudly, whilst our sons and daughters, go, to kill and be killed, rather than weep, WEEP for the sheer loss of it all. My issue is not with soldiers. MY issue is with war. My issue is not with politicians. MY issue is with politics.
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The Occupy Wall St. Movement has no leverage to force change and until OWS gets some leverage nothing will change.
If OWS blocks traffic and shuts down business as usual, OWS will have leverage to force change.
The forgotten must block traffic to remind the forgetful of the needs of the forgotten.
Don't follow the leaders. Block traffic with your friends.
Guidelines For Non-Violent Civil Disobedient Traffic Blocking. http://occupywallst.org/forum/guidelines-for-non-violent-civil-disobedient-traff/
Blocking traffic includes blocking someone in an ambulance who is having a heart attack and needs to get to a hospital. It is as inconsiderate of others as some Wall Street CEO's bonus or a bank unwilling to renegotiate a mortgage. It will waste gasoline and enhance the profits of oil companies who already get government tax breaks without justification. Gun control is important: always aim at the bad guy, not the innocent women and children. Remember, there is such a thing as bad leverage. The self-absorbed are the kind of people we want to restrain, not emulate. It is important to occupy the mind with the injustices that exist in the economy, not to create greater misery for the general public.
Poverty kills far more people than an ambulance that simply must go to another hospital close by.
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idea: ask homeless new yorkers to come downtown one day and just wonder around. perhaps pay each of them $10 for showing up and wondering around. one homeless person on a street is what people usually don't notice, but if you had a hundred of them wondering around without purpose and looking unkempt and all, the way homeless people at times look, that would bug the sh** out of these wall street pigs and other passer by.
Someone has to do something! Sitting around for two months is not doing something. If our founding fathers sat around in protest instead of throwing tea in the harbor, we'd still be a colony of Britain.
You have to give the people in charge a reason to want to change the way things are. You have to scare the crap out of them. Right now, they're all cozy and safe in their ivory towers. They're far, far removed from what's going on. Someone has to bring it to their door steps, ring their buzzer, and shove it in their faces when they answer the door. Make them smell the mess they made.
Never gonna happen just sitting around in the cold with a buncha signs....
The pen is mightier than the sword. Calm down and outwit them. Throwing tea into Boston Harbor was the act of flustered cowards who disguised themselves as native Americans. Remember, we are the 99%. All that is required is to vote people into government who are beholden to us. That's what democracy was designed to do. Use the ballot for its intended purpose. We have the enemy completely surrounded. That alone will make them crap their silly drawers.
The personal computer is mightier than the teargas canister:
http://metapolitik.org/blogs/admin/about
So organize people to vote for whoever is running against any incumbent who signed the Grover Norquist pledge to protect the rich from any tax increase.
He is considered tremendously influential, but it his approval becomes the kiss of political death for a few pols, it will scare them witless as well as dethroning Washington's most powerful lobbyist.
Is there anyway to listen in online? I'm afraid I can't be there; much to my chagrin.
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Protests have never accomplished more then a few table scraps. You got to go to the source and grab the bull by the horn. The British Empire and Vatican are the source of all all wars and poverty. Your protest has been orchestrated and they already have a solution for it. America lost their rights when they took it on themselves to play world police and forced their way of life on other countries through war's and trickery. The only way to get it back is to educate ourselves and find out where we went wrong and try to do better in the future. You got the right idea OWS and you deserve some respect for having the courage to come forward and protest against the crime that has been and still is being committed in our name.
Without Unity you are losing ground every day. Smaller separate groups will fade away. You need the whole country, not just NY and a handfull of people from the east coast. I fear by spring many will have drifted off in separate directions. Not negative just a realist
hey Glue, how active have you been? i don't mean this in a sarcastic way...i'm just saying every time i go to Liberty Square, i become more and more assured that this spring will be a total world transformation, because i sense that a large number of people have been transformed by this movement in a way that can never fade...myself included...don't worry my friend, we are never going to give up, and when the warm weather comes, it's going to be on like donkey kong!
I sincerely hope you are right because this is one fight we can't afford to walk away from. So far everyone has been doing a fantastic job.
Where do you see disunity? I don't see it.
It has been the goal of the local authorities to divide the group by evicting them from the camps. They know that many times when something of this nature is going on you can defuse the situation by splitting people up into smaller groups. When people become concerned over where they will spend the night, find food, basic survival needs, they sometimes find that they no longer have time to dedicate to a cause, especially in these cold winter months. Not having daily contact may cause some to drift apart or lose their drive, so to speak. So far though, even after the evictions things are looking good and everyone's doing a great job. We all appreciate the hard work of our fellow Americans. They are heros
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Good move. You can't kill an idea.
So what is the actual WEB address for the Occupy specific Open Space? Why not set up your own drupal site instead? Looks like the mayors, following the advice of their friends at DOHLS shut down one of the few truly democratic movements and have corralled you into a questionable platform. Just a thought.
those that oppose actually help things to be adaptable and to succeed. the movement that sprouted out of the occupation of liberty square is a global shift in our collective...it cannot be stopped, and any attempts to do so are only helping it to grow
The one percent owns 99 percent of the guns.... better run and HIDE
there is courage, then there cowardice.
what are you adovcating? buy guns or run and hide?
or perhaps, the want-a-be solution, guns/power = hierarchy/wealth?
You obviously haven't seen the arsenal.
"Whoever comes is the right people.
Whatever happens is the only thing that could have.
Whenever it starts is the right time.
When it is over it is over."
sounds like my last relationship..... lolz
if you could define a relationalization, whould it be you? devine providence as self-defining prophesy. thus, you are no longer responsible, nor of account.
Occupy Wall Street is being used to make Arab Spring in America. Occupy Wall Street is not like the Civil Rights Movement. With Civil Rights Movement we had the Bible on our side and there was clearly something that could be changed.
Occupy Wall Street does not have the Bible on its side. The rich are not to be taxed higher than the poor to help the poor.
In the 11-28-11 LA video with the man in white shirt laying on the ground, the sign says, Millionaires, your time is up. Party for Socialism and Liberation, PSLweb.org
Another sign says, The Present is struggle, the future is ours. Party for Socialism and Liberation, PSLweb.org
PSLweb.org website says event coming: Dec 03 Marxism Class: The Scientific Basis for Socialism, Chicago Class
PSLweb.org website shows connection with ANSWER referred to by former KGB at: Egypt Protests: http://www.divine-way.com/egypt_protests__ kgbsocialismunionsblacksworkers_world_connection.html 2-19-11 "Even more significant is that the Hezb'allah representatives demonstrating on the first day of the Cairo uprising were carrying flags displaying the hammer and sickle."
ALSO includes information that Arafat was created with false documents. That sounds familiar since President Obama has not been able to provide a real identity papers including school records.
Lifelong employment with union wages is not freedom; it is glorified slavery. God commanded in all holy books to live close to the land so we do not destroy ourselves.
Only a garden paradise lifestyle can solve the pollution to air, land, water and food already making young and old diseased as well as energy crisis, war, immigration, inequality, financial instability, and huge government payrolls to administer helps. We cannot solve the problems with the same lifelong employment system that created them, even if all people received the same high union wages. The devil has deceived us all, as God said he would.
My website has various connections and evidences for charges against President Obama and Occupy Wall Street. They amount to Arab Spring in America for the take over of the government without an election. President Obama endorsed uprisings in Egypt and Libya etc. and stirring up war around the globe.
These truths need to be lifted up. The masks they wear refer to Guy Fawkes, who fought to end religious persecution; but they resemble Lenin a lot. God warned of a great deception.
have you sought/thought a job @ FOX news. the 99 dogs after another (the fox). i am sure your web site has the evidences / connections that the world must/should KNOW about.
FOX NEWS, is the answer to your website problem.
Karl Marx believed in the 19th century that the 1% would end up with all the money under capitalism. Forget about the Soviet Union. Clearly that was not the right answer, but the problem question that Marx saw did not go away, and those family farms we had going in 1776 are gone, because George Washington had never encountered a McCormick Reaper, let alone all the toys the big industrial farmers use now. Technology changes things. Going back to sling shots is not going to save people from thermonuclear attacks. Time marches on. It's even worse than you fear. Eventually, capitalism will use recent inventions to create further inventions that can outrun you and outthink you, so keep your garden growing. Jobs will be scarce. Someday they'll invent a machine and ask it if God exists, and the machine will reply, "It does now."
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How about just give up? Or better yet find a bridge or something. Occupy Public parks is a real bad idea. We wouldn't go occupy your back yard. Your movement needs to do more positive things instead of destroying public property. Think about it.
They can't think, they're morons. All they want is someone else's money. Money that someone else worked hard for and EARNED. They're lazy, free-loading, leeches who are afraid to do a good day's work.
Waah, waah, waah. That guy has more than me. I want some of it. Why does he have more than me? Gimme, gimme, gimme, I want some.
Effing lazy bums.
My name is Charlotte and I Occupy Wall Street. I have worked hard all of my life and I am a private investor and small business owner in my 'retirement.' I lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in the market crash of 2008. This was money I invested for 30 years. I have the right to stand with OWS to make sure that certain laws are enacted to prevent this from happening again.
Govt is corrupt. Laws need to be changed. Politicians need to be replaced. As long as Obama and corrupt politicians are in charge, we don't stand a chance.
We can't get rid of them even when they commit crimes. Rangel, Waters, Seabrook, Pelosi, Holder and many more. All guilty and nothing is happening to them, they're still in office.
Camping out and pissing on the sidewalks isn't going to help. Closing bridges and streets won't work. You need to do what your doing in the parks to the politicians and the White House to get changes.
Go to politicians' offices and camp out there until they promise to represent. That will be a good start instead of corporations. Changes the laws first and then the corporations will change. You're starting from the wrong end, backwards. Govt is the problem.
i think your judgment does not reflect that there are 1000s of people that are part of this movement working hard every day to create a better world...it's not just complaining, it's about raising awareness and creating solutions together.
please remember to practice love and respect.
hard to love people who just want to destroy. shutting down ports won't get you very far.
I never said it was easy. But it is within you...whether it is fear or love...and it is made of the same stuff.
The best thing you can do for the world is transmute the fear into love.
http://www.amazon.com/Throw-Them-All-Out-ebook/dp/B0062N35X8/ref=pd_rhf_se_p_t_3 Your right there is nothing wrong with America. Just a bunch of lazy, free loading , leaching. Feel better now go to bed before your momma put's you on restriction. You cant be an adult or you would not post such nonsense. I know you won;t read the book at the site above because you are to narrow minded.
I think you read that wrong. OWS is what I was talking about, not hard working Americans.
OKAY. I stand with them as do many working and successful people do. We want everyone to have the same chance as we do. Thank you for your reply. I hope we can 'talk' again GetaBrain.
I understand your frustration. My father who is a Civil Engineer would love to build a bridge. But with what money? I have paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes in my lifetime and no funds for bridges, roads etc.
That's because the money went for much more "important" things like turtle tunnels...... Certain special interest groups has the money your father needs to build that bridge.
OCCUPY WASHINGTON DC not Zuccotti Park
Thanks for the reply. Occupy our corrupt congress!
I'm all in for that!
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Tolerance for tents in parks! Intolerance for treason against our democracy!