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That is answered by the links. this can have everything or nothing to do with neil. the fatal errors of the ideology are jaques fault, the fatal errors of management are PJS fault and the fatal errors of being adminatrolls are neils fault.

Where would you like to start? Its a fascist and totalitarian ideology, complete with star trek style landru god bots, depopulation, pipe dreaming nonsense, claims science as a guiding star but is totally devoid of science, and absolutely flips out any time you try to get things rolling in a science direction. Its a fascist hierarchal cult of personality organization. Etc.

Trying to discuss this with me on this forum is futile. I can only be the foot coming down on a bug here. If you want to have a diplomatic conversation, read the links and then get to the wiki. I have a page for this.

http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Political_Spectrums

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPR3GlpQQJA

http://occupywallst.org/forum/non-violence-evolution-by-paradigm-shift/

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[-] 1 points by genanmer (822) 13 years ago

Many of those links you posted in the first post are broken btw.

So I take it that you dislike the leadership.

But how exactly do you associate the idea with depopulation, god bots, and the sort? Also please elaborate on the ideological flaws

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[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 13 years ago

dang, checking that links list shows they are def broken all over.

i didn't make those associations. tzm has those things in their ideological set.

god bots.. fine example.

let me look for it.

my bad. i thought i posted you THIS set of links.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=166045203446977#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=docs

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=166045203446977#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=164880556896775

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=166045203446977#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=164925133558984

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=166045203446977#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=164876403563857

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=166045203446977#!/home.php?sk=group_163532010364963&view=doc&id=164879390230225

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[-] 1 points by genanmer (822) 13 years ago

Again I must ask you to elaborate on what specific ideas you proposed which were not well received.

You spend a great deal of time trying to discredit these RBE groups without explicitly stating what they did to you nor providing examples/alternatives.

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[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 13 years ago

what they did to me is in and of itself an absolute proof but lets not get that complicated. in terms of ideology; 1. fascism. they propose a system which is fascistic and their cult operates as a fascist meta entity. 2. Totalitarianism. They propose a form of totalitarian control via a god bot computer. AND the actual form of government of the cult is totalitarian. 3. Anti intellectualism. DEspite all the warm words for science, the cult is actually anti science, anti truth, and knowledge, and slanders, libels, and attacks anyone who tries to bring up actual science process, ideas, or facts.

The very core definitions of RBE as defined by them are pipe dream nonsense which are systemically impossible. 5. "Kill money" being against money itself is obviously NOT a solution. And not an evolutionary directin. 6. Cult mind. 5 bachelors degrees don;t entitle them to play prophet no matter how much they claim to know everything. the list goes on. Again. I HAVE answered this in detail at the links.

Further, my groups on FB ARE a legit alternative.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/163532010364963/

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[-] 1 points by genanmer (822) 13 years ago

You don't want to share what they did to you, associate them with derogatory ideas, and then expect us to trust you without providing evidence?

Those are very strong claims but why not provide evidence here explaining why you believe it is fascist, totalitarian, anti intellectualism, impossible, etc?

http://thevenusproject.com/en/the-venus-project/resource-based-economy

http://thevenusproject.com/en/the-venus-project/aims-a-proposals

Provide specific logic and/or evidence about the faults of the RBE idea itself or how the characters involved offended you.

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[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 13 years ago

I don't waste my time on websites of a cult esp after thousands of hours spent trying to help them which have only been deleted.

i have already provided such logic and already provided such information. you failing to click links is YOUR problem.

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[-] 1 points by genanmer (822) 13 years ago

I've looked and there is nothing on your sites about what they specifically did to insult you.

It's just more of the same ranting and raving against them. No specific disagreements.

Btw, N.I.C.E: group

N.I.C.E:A.C.C.E

It's too bad there's nothing worth mentioning from those 1000s of hours? How was the organization of the group(s) dis satisfactory? What kind of advice did they ignore from you? Etc.

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[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 13 years ago

i'm not going to discuss that here.

i am willing to discuss it on the wiki, and there is an area created and set aside for that. its clear that you are not objectively paying attention to what i have said, and i'm thus just spinning around in circles with you. Such questions are clearly leading questions to reverse the situation and fish for things to attack me over.

i'm not stupid, i see that shit coming miles away.

I am not here to convince you, i am here to give a warning to the general public. TZM is a fascist cult and is not worth looking into- the end.

most people will heed that warning. tzm is not going to co opt this movement and its not going to suck in a fresh batch of dupes off this website.

if you have ANY intention of meaningful diplomatic discussion, take it to the wiki.

http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Political_Spectrums

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[-] 1 points by genanmer (822) 13 years ago

Alright, you don't want to share.

Good luck with your anti-TZM campaign.

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[-] 0 points by rickMoss (435) 13 years ago

Don't be Afraid!

The Revolution has started - Read “Common Sense 3.1” at ( www.revolution2.osixs.org )

FIGHT THE CAUSE - NOT THE SYMPTOM

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