Forum Post: " You have to understand, people like Jon Corzine, these are evil, evil people "
Posted 13 years ago on Dec. 3, 2011, 7:04 a.m. EST by Scout
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" they would sell their grandmother to the Nazis for a nickel without hesitation if they thought they could get away with it. It's the same with people like Jon Corzine, and then we have talked about the fact that Jon Corzine is tied into the Obama regime. And we now know that the government is absolutely stuffed to the gills almost exclusively with this same type of moral degenerate culture. These people that are in the government—not just the Congress and Executive Branch but also in the bureaucracy—they are in it for themselves "
http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/2011/12/02/ann-barnhardt/interview-transcript
Everyone who thinks more regulation is he answer needs to listen to this. Actually everyone needs to listen to this. And I mean now.
after having read what Ann Barnhardt says it should be perfectly clear why there have been no prosecutions on Wall Street!
Agreed. "Regulation" is how corporations gain special favors for themselves. Such as when Comcast bribes local politicians to maintain their monopoly status. Or when Walmart, McDonalds, GM persuade Congress to exempt them from the requirement to provide healthcare to all their workers.
Regulation == competitive advantage and drives other companies (the ones that don't bribe politicians) into oblivion. A free market is the closest thing we have to a pure democracy, since it gives power to the People to vote (with their dollars) the companies they like best. Regulation damages that democracy, because the regulations are written by the corporations.
I am not a religious person nor will I get caught up in outlandish fairytales. However, there is clearly good and evil in the world. Jon Corzine, George Soros, PM's from Israel are without question evil people. Obama, congress, etc. are evil too but not at the level of the previous people mentioned as they are being lead by the true eveil at the top of the food chain. There are only 5 countries left in the world that are not controlled by the Global Central Bank - Iran, North Korea, Sudan, Cuba, Libya....
Russia. They don't appear to be controlled by the central bank? Nor China.
Corzine is part of the Congress. He was there when they voted to attack Iraq, to pass the Patriot Act, to create the TSA to molest people at the airport, and so on. He is part of the same club, and there is no difference in the level of evil.
corzine is definitely towards the top of the food chain, no question. i don't think all of congress gets the same benefits that he does. he is up there with the evil prime ministers of israel, no question.
I guess you didn't see the 60 Minutes story about Congressmen and women using Insider trading to get rich off corporate stocks?
why would yoiu say that...? i have known about the insider trading law, or lackthereof for years. how about the new industry they set up called, political intelligence...? where former congressman see insider info to hedge fund managers for a fee...unreal ! This is what i am trying to convey.... "There is no meaningful government or industry wide regulation and I have been saying this for years. That regulation in the financial industry in the United States both government based and private regulation—private industry regulation—is a monstrous, monstrous joke. The top tier of those organizations are evil, nefarious people. The mid level are halfway stupid, halfway evil who again, are just there to collect their salary paycheck and will say and do anything that they are told and who really don’t understand the business that they are trying to regulate. And then the lower level, the grunts, the actual auditors who go out on site, a lot of those people are super incompetent."
I said it because you seem to think Congress members are not as evil as Corzine. I think they are equally evil..... I think Senator Corzine is just as evil as his other colleagues.
there are different levels of evil in my opinion with regards to who calls the shots, who pulls the strings. in my opinion corzine is more evil than the evil congress as not al of them have a safehouse in israel and beyond.
"...outlandish fairytales. ...not controlled by the Global Central Bank - Iran, North Korea, Sudan, Cuba, Libya...."
The axis of evil!
axis of eveil my ass ! the axis of evil is the federal reserve, other central banks and feeder banks that flow upwards, (goldman, morgan stanley, bank of america, chase, etc)creating massive amounts of debt and collecting the interest. A year ago, i would never have thought this way. Educate Educate Educate !!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_evil
On May 6, 2002 future United States UN Ambassador John R. Bolton gave a speech entitled "Beyond the Axis of Evil". In it he added three more nations to be grouped with the already mentioned rogue states: Libya, Syria, and Cuba. The criteria for inclusion in this grouping were: "state sponsors of terrorism that are pursuing or who have the potential to pursue weapons of mass destruction (WMD) or have the capability to do so in violation of their treaty obligations". The speech was widely reported as an expansion of the original axis of evil. [edit]
So what does that mean ? Are they a true axis of evil or are they attempting to fight being controlled by the Federal Reserve, European Central Bank, International Monetary Fund, World Trade Organization, United Nations, Anti-Defamation League....ouch! that last one may have offended some people.... Wake up and smell the napalm !
Well, who did 9/11? When I look at what the US and allies have done under the guise of liberation and fighting terrorism, its hard to see others as more evil. Don't even get me started about the firebombings and nukings of WWII.
Ever hear of http://wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/sginferno/sgi00.html The hushed-up tragedy of the ethnic Germans in Czechoslovakia? I first learned of this, not from a website. The WWW didn't even exist then. I learned of this from my Grandmother who traced her ancestry back to the Sudeten Germans. She found out about it from her sister who attempted to make contact with her relatives.
it will take world War three for Iran to comply
No kidding... If and when corzine gets in front of our representatives, i don't want a repeat of the stage show that our supposed representatives put on with the bank CEO's during the mortgage meltdown...what a disgrace. Further, i don't want to hear the excuse that our reps dont have a firm grasp on financial industry concepts and regulation and therefore can't ask the appropriate questions. If they are not smart enough or diverse enough to be specialists in multiple industries then they shouldn't be our representatives.
I wonder if I can get a refund on the futures class I took at the CME earlier this summer....
ha ha ! yes indeed or even the CEO of the cigarette companies when they told Congress " I believe nicotine is not addictive " !!!
Evil is in the mind of the stupid. stupidieness is in the actions of people with evil in their mind.
Jon Corzine is far from stupid. It is the average guy who believes there is still such a thing as integrity that is stupid
i don't know the man personally, but if he don't believe in evil, he is probably a wise man. or so my meditation would leave me to believe this. who knows, i could be wrong and the devil could be right behind me.
I believe Ann Barnhardt rather than you and she makes a compelling reason why he IS EVIL! A criminal degenerate like Madoff " they would sell their grandmother to the Nazis for a nickel without hesitation if they thought they could get away with it "
The devil is in the heart of the man who lived with evil on his mind.
So throw his carcass over the Bull Statue. Like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amNO_QJzaQ8 Done!
WTF marxist and lawless are kind of the opposite? this woman doesn't seem very bright "We are now living in a lawless, Marxist, Communist, usurped, what used to be a representative republic but is no more" Where did Corzine get 44X leverage to bet with? in the 90's the government let wall street into our banking system with the breakup of glass/Steagall We let wall street and the banks use more and more leverage and put more and more risk into our system. Anyone who wants to blame government for this mess is essentially saying that wall street is made up of reckless gamblers who should not be allowed in our banking system and it is governments fault because we let them in. What we need to figure out is how do we get wall street off the government welfare program where the fed covers all their bad bets and lends them money so that they can make some more high risk bets. I'd love to see wall street operating in the free market, they can have their own little wild wild west with money they lend to each other ------------I just don't want them betting with my money any more.
you need to study your history ! take Adolf Hitler as an example. He described himself as a right-wing fascist whereas in fact underneath there was nothing to distinguish between his aims and communism.
Hitler was anything but lawless. He changed the laws to fit his vision of the world which included killing millions of Jews. Wall street and the banks lobbying Washington did the same thing, they changed the laws to fit their vision, one where they make high risk bets and use taxpayer money to pay off when the bets go bad so they can keep writing themselves those fat paychecks.
it all semantics and it doesn't matter anyway! At the end of the day you can call it whatever you like but if these kinds of people get away with their grand plan the 99% will be left as nothing more than the minions of the 1% like this scumbag Corzine
I'm with you there for sure ! What ever surgical procedure it takes I'd love to get wall street off my payroll.
Please help me petition the White House to stop Obama from imposing harsh economic sanctions against a promising young African nation whose innocence has been vindicated by Wikileaks. Your signature can really save the lives of 5 million people. Thank you.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/vindicated-by-wikileaks-but-not-freed-from-accusat/
It's called criminogenics. We have an economy and society where crime pays. Our politicians serve the criminal class -- they aren't leaders, they're servants.
http://rt.com/programs/keiser-report/keiser-herbert-british-justice/ 15 minutes in, William K. Black former bank regulator, responsible for many of the prosecutions in the Savings and Loan Scandal (which the country never learned from).
Wasn't Jon Corzine a DEMOCRAT governor and senator? Yes indeed you can't trust "these people". They are different but NO better than the republicans. It's just two divisions of the same Corporatist big government party
It amazes me that so few realize this, and act as if the Democrats are any better than the Republidicks.
After Bush Obama there is no excuse and should leave little doubt.
Democrats are better at faking empathy for the poor and workers.
"Faking" is the correct word, and then they turn-round and act just as corporatist as the Republicans. The only difference is instead of supporting Military corporates, the Dems support Hollywood, Auto, and Insurance corporates.
For the first they are trying to censor the internet (SOPA), for the second they provide massive bailouts or subsidies, and for the third they passed a mandate which gave Nationwide, Kaiser, and others ~40 million new customers.
If I didn't know better, I'd think we had a Republican Congress, Republican Senate, and Republican President these last 4 years.
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Democrats are pretty good at war making. WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam,the current wars extended under Obama.
http://deadlinelive.info/2011/10/08/military-spending-under-obama-is-higher-than-it-was-under-former-president-george-w-bush-mitt-rom-wants-more/
theaveng it's worse than that! Take a look at this video. Talk about incestuous relationships with the White House
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buRO9TSlScQ&feature=player_embedded
Barack Obama and Joe Biden calls Jon Corzine for Advice Again
imagine if the US Treasury Department is being run based on Jon Corzine's " advice " !
The treasury has been running on that kind of advice. Paulson ex Goldman guy gave billions of taxpayer funds to his pals on wall street to cover AIG's bad bets. Goldman was a major recipient of those funds.
scout....Here's your experts profile..........."Puplava" and the producer of his Financial Sense Newshour webcast, John Loeffler, are both global warming sceptics who believe that the concept is being pushed by governments in order to promote higher taxation and greater governmental controls of our lives (see global warming conspiracy theory). Puplava believes the planet is cooling, not warming. He often interviews historian and business consultant Evelyn Browning Garris, who thinks that the current global warming is part of a cycle and is much like the medieval warm period. Puplava, who is heavily invested in oil and oil-related instruments, has also given sympathetic hearings to Bjørn Lomborg and Ian Plimer, both global warming skeptics. He and Loeffler frequently mention that global warming stopped in 1998, a claim regarded as one of the common global warming myths by climate scientists...................................He is also heavily invested in Big Oil.....
""Here's your experts profile..........."Puplava" and the producer of his Financial Sense Newshour webcast, John Loeffler, are both global warming skeptics who believe that the concept is being pushed by governments in order to promote higher taxation and greater governmental controls of our lives""
That is like implying something like this: 'Because Albert Einstein believed in a Spinoza's god or Spinozaism over belief in a personal god, he does not not hold sufficient credibility to have contributed to developments on adiabatic principle or action-angle variables, so his work will not be acknowledged or even considered.'
A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death. ~ Albert Einstein
why are you rabbiting on about Puplava?your post is totally irrelevant.Ann Barnhardt is the commodities broker who doesn't beat about the bush and she is the subject of the interview. global warming has got nothing to do with this poor guy who has lost $50 million
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/02/us-mfglobal-missing-account-idUSTRE7B12AD20111202?feedType=RSS&feedName=businessNews&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=56943
Scout....You posted a link to his web site, so it has everything to do with his credibility. which is zero.
Oh i see so shoot the messenger and give Jon Corzine the Congressional medal? I think your credibility is zero
Scout...the source you provided was unreliable...you posted his opinion as an Authority.
no I did not! He is not the authority at all he is only the interviewer you dumbass ! you can disregard entirely what he says just listen to what Ann Barnhardt says! No wonder the US is sinking with your kind of thinking
Scout...Ann Barnhardt..Called Obama a Nazi and a gangster and the government is a gangster government that is illegal, I think birds of a feather flock together. They both are screw balls.
the difference is Ann Barnhardt's former clients and the likes of Gerald Celente lost their money because of a person who instead of being prosecuted is allowed to host a $35,000 a plate fundraiser for Obama? I think somebody is entitled to be emotional under those circumstances and to use whatever colourful language happens to come to them at that time don't you think?
Scout...Shows a lack of restraint, plus shes on a doomsday cult, conspiracy theory site, birds of a feather. who got away with what, not Jon Corzine.
chuck1al I have no idea what your agenda is but for you to come on this site and even spend your time virtually defending these kind of scumbags like Corzine kind of proves her point that America has indeed degenerated into a lawless society
Scout...you have your scumbags confused.
well you would be bound to say that wouldn't you chuck1al because anyone who defends a scumbag is himself a scumbag.... What are you his bagman or something?
Scout...WTF are you talking about? who is "He".
your pal that you seem to be defending so arduously - Jon Corzine. apart from the fraud that he has committed, he was even operating without a securities industry's licence. you seem to condone that kind of behaviour by criticising those who have lost money through his slimy activities
Scout...Just how was I defending him? he's obviously a criminal.
CORZINE & DIMON put the OBAMA in power, he's their boy, why do you people ignore the elephant in the room?
The OBAMA is the guy running the DHS that is shutting down your party's.
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What about the magic-nigger that corzine put in office? Doesn't anybody think corzine will go dwon
not if uncle Joe Biden has anything to do with it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buRO9TSlScQ&feature=player_embedded
Obama regime? I mean, you have already lost my attention right there. Obama may be caught up in an evil machine but I think the man himself has a lot of integrity and good intentions. That is the problem with a lot of people here is it just has to be black or white for you. You're like a child throwing a temper tantrum and you don't really know what you're mad at. Go ahead and be a part of the idiotic fringe elements of this movement and accomplish nothing, or listen to some of the more intelligent posters on here and learn how to realistically work within our means and come up with real solutions.
obamas probably just a puppet like the other politicians
Mary, The fact that he was able to obtain his current position tells me that he has absolutely no integrity. He didn't have to get "caught up" in the evil machine, he chose to become part of it. This is what happens to the majority of presidents and congressmen, republican or democrat. My thought process is only on the fringe because the majority of people have yet to wake up. "Working within our means" doesn't change the root of the problem. Corporations should not have any control over who we, the people, elect as OUR representatives. I have lived a life of privilige for quite sometime and still work in the currupt financial industry. I could easily be clssified as the 1%. That being said, I know the difference between right and wrong and good vs. evil. I have no problem speaking up about the blatant curruption in the financial industry that is aided by our representatives. And if you want to classify my thought process as fringe so be it. I truely don't know what your definition of "work within our means" is but it could be interpreted as a half ass approach to a true and improved societal change.
Kevin
I agree with some of what you say, but come November we are going to have a choice to make. And I will not throw my vote away, I will fight with everything I've got to make sure the extreme right wing nut jobs don't take over this country again by default. And I will support OWS but right now, at this place in time, two months in, I think to vote democrat is all you've got. Some people on here have had some fabulous ideas about how to begin to work within the system NOW and create a third party in the meantime. All well and good, but it takes time. I was around at the time of the Vietnam war protests and saw the mistakes that were made; I see some of those same mistakes in a movement that has much greater potential for solidarity than they ever did. It will be a shame to see it ruined by extremists. So vote me down and attack me all you want but some of us who have been around longer and seen more are looking at the big picture
I hear you and would prefer not to attack you as we are on the same side...I'm only 35 so I respect your experience and opinion. Although, it is hard for me to see any difference between either party. I feel that the access to information and technology that exists today allows us, the masses, to move at a much faster pace then during the protests of the 70's. I give some of the research that I do to my father, who while being skeptical at times, is astounded when certain issues can be backed up by fact. Extremists will always exist whether we like it or not. And they will be part of the movement and part of the agents against the movement. Again, not trying to sound like fringe but I think these movements can be so easily manipulated one way or the other. So shedding light on issues and keeping an open mind is of great importance to me. At the end of the day, I have experienced more blatant lies and curruption from government officials and high level banksters than truths. So I do not see any problem with questioning what is being force fed to me. I have woken up from decades of systematic brainwashing by educating myself and un-learning what was taught to me. It is not an easy thing to do or swallow. Especially when you feel you have lived a certain way and supported certain causes for such a long time.
The link above is all true and I am very familiar with the financial industry. This type of behavior by other, less pwerful people would immediately result in jail time. So how in the world can they get away with it. By they, I am not referring to democrats or republicans. The more we fight over polical party lines, the more we feed into "their" agenda. Okay, I need to grap a coffee. All of this is becoming a little too consuming. All the best !
Thanks for a thoughtful and kind reply. I have no trouble at all believing there is corrruption on both sides. Ultimately I think you and I want the same thing. I want our entire corrupt 2-party system to change. I'm sure I don't belong on an extreme Obama-hating topic but this is just where I landed today.
I am an equal oportunity basher. The republicans are terrible also. Our only chance IMHO is to totally downsize the federal government and do exactly what RP is saying. If that fails, I don't see a solution other than to disband or break away from the federal government and for the states to assume far more autonomy.
I respect your opinion. There are other people on this forum who could speak to that far better than me. But from what I have read about RP there are a few things we would direly disagree on.
" This type of behavior by other, less pwerful people would immediately result in jail time. So how in the world can they get away with it. "
In the wake of the savings and loan debacle, special government task forces referred 1,100 cases to prosecutors, resulting in more than 800 bank officials going to jail. Among the best-known: Charles H. Keating Jr., of Lincoln Savings and Loan in Arizona, and David Paul, of Centrust Bank in Florida.
so why not a single prosecution now?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/14/business/14prosecute.html?pagewanted=all
KVNLGN he not only chose to become part of it but if he is re-elected he will only then get his hands on the real pot of gold which will make everything that happened so far seem like pocket money. it is well documented that Obama participated in setting up the CHICAGO CLIMATE EXCHANGE (CXX) and if he gets his Cap And Trade Bill through this will represent an annual business of TEN TRILLION DOLLARS i.e. 2/3 of the worth of the trading of all American businesses on the financial exhanges per year (FIFTEEN TRILLION DOLLARS).
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/obama-named-to-be-the-founder-of-chicago-climate-exchange/blog-308435/
how can any rational person other than one that has been brainwashed possibly in their right mind say Obama has a lot of integrity ha ha ha are you are stand up comedian or something?
http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies
and indeed it is a regime with its record number of Czars in the White House comrade !
How can anyone with integrity defend the OREO-OBAMA?
Here is a man that spent 20+ years with Rev WRight beating the "I hate white folk bible", and then denounced Wright as soon as he went national.
OBAMA is much a teflon man as RAYGUN the powers of the chicago mercantile exchange ( CME ) $500M theft CORZINE, put OREO in POWER and are now looting the world.
OBAMA has ONLY one purpose to send children of color off to war and die, there is NO way the PUG's (RNC) could send black&hispanic children to die in tomorrows oil-wars it must be done with a black prez operating from the DNC.
Study the OBAMA history how this man was groomed for 30 years to get where he is now, and study the man who put him in power CORZINE, todays most wanted crook, who walks the street. Blatant theft of $500M USD wired to europe and CORZINE walks, ... cuz corzine and dimon, and blankein put the OREO in power.
Wowsers OWSers! You are one conspiracy theory nut job!
you are probably one of those that she describes in her interview as conducting SEC audits i.e. the light is on but there is nobody at home
That's obviously it. You're a sharp knife. The sharpest in the box.
Are you the fool's gold or the real gold?
I'm as real as they get.
All these secret identities. ...grumble...grumble...worse than the DC Universe. I need a who's who to keep up.
I have two identities: Glaucon and Thrasymaque. Furthermore, these identities have never been a secret. They are two characters from The Republic and I have never tried to hide that I use both. The others are not of my creation, and I have no idea who controls them.
You also have a secret identity. Would you like to reveal your real name? There's not much difference from using two characters than one, especially if everyone knows about it.
Why do you need two identities? My real identity is anonymous and I would like to keep it that way. Perhaps I should have said dopplegangers rather than secret identity, but It was a poor attempt at humor, I guess.
Thrasymaque is a sophist, Glaucon is not. I use them for different types of posts. Sometimes I'm lazy and I don't respect their differences. Usually, I do. Does it bother you so much that a person would use two forum identities instead of one? Even when he is absolutely honest about it? There are many more important problems in the world. Here, let me add a warning so that I am even more transparent.
WARNING: On this site, I have been called a troll, a psyops capable of mind infiltration, a government mole, and a zionist-sock-puppet. Read my opinions at your own risk.
So basically you're saying you like to fuck around with people? That's charming. But no, it doesn't bother me a whole lot. But out of curiosity, do you bay at moon cycles or have any other really weird tendencies I should be wary of.
Weird is in the eye of the beholder. I don't find it very weird to have two identities on a forum and to let everyone know about it. There's not much fucking around going on here. Hell, I'm even giving you a warning. What's your definition of the truly bizarre?
WARNING: On this site, I have been called a troll, a psyops capable of mind infiltration, a government mole, and a zionist-sock-puppet. Read my opinions at your own risk.
A sophist - one skilled in elaborate and devious argumentation. (Yes, I had to look it up). I find someone desiring to be an elaborate and devious arguer strange, but not bizarre. Had you told me you turned into a werewolf at every full moon, well....anything above ludicrous, in relation to my beliefs, I would consider truly bizarre. It is, as you say, in the eye of the beholder. Why would someone desire to consider themselves a sophist? Is it some sort of badge of honor with you?
Read my profile information. The Thrasymaque before you is not a sophist. He is not the Thrasymaque you once knew.
Let the mind games begin, huh? No thanks. I'll pass.
You don't think sophists are useful? You think they are only bad?
I'm sure they are useful for spreading elaborate confusion. However, If you applied that skill to creating something, say a movie, I bet you would end up with a one big mess of a storyline. Some people like that. I don't.
You believe my sophistry would ruin a good storyline? You like things clear, simple, and sharp do you? Without a smidgeon of fuzziness? It might be time to shut off that David Lynch movie and turn on the Walt Disney Channel.
I must say I am happy Plato did not share you view. He understood the necessity of good sophistry and invited quite a few sophists to play parts in his many books. He understood quite well that Socrates depends on sophists if he is to reach the summon of his articulations. Socrates without sophists is like a girl without a bikini. No, wait! I mean a dog without its collar. Truth comes from the clash of Socrates logic with sophistry; without the clash there is nothing. The Thrasymaque/Glaucon dichotomy is no artifice, it is an inseparable duo. Without Thrasymaque, Glaucon is like a lost orphan.
Suit yourself! Play your simplistic Erik Satie while I dive into the complexities of Wagnerian thought. "Tweet tweet, here's a wittle tweety bird." Hurry, your Walt Disney show is starting...
Jade, let's remember that ZSP ( zionist-sock-puppet ) is one of the most caring monikers and avatars on ows, without him it would without any thought, everyone else here just rambles senseless shit, its almost like this guy is donating his time to keep folks on track of the meaningful.
I have 8 but they seem to cut you off by IP at 8, most interesting is that only 2 allow me to post and reply, the other 6 as soon as a I reply or post the post's and reply's disappear into the ows black-hole. One needs to learn much about the orwellian nature of the ows-forum and its strange rules, I'll not continue much,.. I have many ways to hide or change my IP, but why bother, OWS certainly wants the 'truth' to be very narrow and on target by consensus.
What you say is false. They ban IPs manually. Look at the code, it's all open source. Nothing is hidden here. Your complaint is baseless.
My complaint is again I'll repeat.
I keep having to make new monikers cuz they keep doing something behind the scenes that makes my posts's and reply's go to the NULL void. Then at 8 I get a message that say's "WAIT to create a new id", ... trouble is I have been getting that message now for 2 weeks. Ok, I still have 2 monikers that work. The basis seems to be if the moniker is offensive, ... for instance one that will not let me do anything is 'oreoobama' they seem to really despise that moniker.
I want to say more and get your thoughts, but I'll wait for your reply
OK, good point I don't bother, but FYI do have a master's in comp-sci, and a phd in physics, but I would prefer not to bother looking at the fucking code, its enough to just observe. OK, So I concur some Orwellian bastard at 8 said that's enough monikers but why 8? Just because it's octal? Pray tell you are my brother and favorite in this SHITHOLE OWS empire, but from your study since you wasted your time viewing their code, what's your conclusion?
My conclusion is that you would rather partake in lame conspiracy theories than check the code for yourself. This is a sign of a weak and lazy mind. Unfortunately, this mind cancer caused by conspiracy theories is spreading far too quickly in modern times. You can perhaps find comfort in the knowledge that most of your friends are also diseased in the same way as yourself. They too lust for easy answers, and latch onto fast food as if it truly filled the body with the required nutriments. All the sadder if you you are well educated (we both know you are not); you should have learned to be sharper in your thought process. This mind laziness you are cultivating is evil, and only serves to destroy you. You are committing a self-imposed hara-kiri of the mind. Why?
A few minutes would have sufficed to find that the code was modified on November 15th to limit signup frequency. A few moments of thinking should have provided you with the realization that limiting the number of characters one can create by IP checkup is unsatisfactory as this would make it impossible to use the site on public computers accessible to thousands of different users. A moment more of thought and you should have come to the conclusion that if the programmer was going to limit the amount of characters per user, he or she would have limited this number to 1 instead of 8.
This is the commit you must verify: https://github.com/jart/occupywallst/commit/8abd0ffb0a9e8dd79dcbe2741c8ced39b14be9f0
Look at these two files:
The first file sets a flag when you attempt to create another character before 3 hours have elapsed since your last signup:
OWS_LIMIT_SIGNUP = 60 * 60 * 30 # three hoursThe second file prints the message 'please wait before signing up again' if that flag is set.
Please stop the 'conspiracy' bullshit. I'll determine by what I see, and you can determine by code, but you have already admitted that much of what they do is manual.
I was replying to your conspiracy theory that signups were limited to the magical number of 8 users. I'm surprised someone with a master's in computer science is not curious to check the code by himself. To each his own.
The moderators are able to manually shadow ban IPs if they want. This is normal. Most sites allow this. How often do they do it? I am not sure. However, I would be surprised if the site is being moderated these days. It looks like it has been abandoned. It you take a look at the commit history, you'll notice the last one was on November 27th. The programmer seems to have stopped working on this site, and I assume the moderators have as well since I haven't seen them around for quite a while.
https://github.com/jart/occupywallst/commits/master/
However, as you noted above, you can simply use a proxy server like TOR to circumvent IP bans. They aren't very efficient. There really is no problem, and I'm surprised at your complaint. Why not use the knowledge you acquired in your degree to do whatever you little heart desires?
I have many methods at my disposal to hide my IP, but I prefer not to play that game. My only initial thing was discuss my observations. You yourself only have according to you 2 monikers so how would you know it reality what they're doing. Also I have heard you mention any of your bile getting deleted. For instance what I found whenever I say " A I P A C" without the spaces that post gets deleted, have you seen such action? My guess is that a lot of this is more manual than automatic, but it comes too fast to be coming from like/dislike votes. There are several subjects besides key words that are banned, I found that explicit discussion of the downfall of the US economy and who it benefits and who loses to be an intolerable subject that always gets deleted. It's obvious that some people have very thin skin, or are very afraid of the debate venturing outside the limits of the consensus, You tend to talk in philosophy discourse with your left&right sock-puppets, maybe they're so mystified with your approach they just ignore you? My approach is direct an in your face, and I think they hate that approach.
My approach is just as direct as yours, if not more. Unlike you, I do not fog up my discourse with unproven conspiracy theories. I debate with well structured arguments, not logical fallacies.
How do I know your imaginary limit of 8 users per IP is incorrect? Because I read the code, and tested your lame theory. I'm not satisfied with lazy solutions. I do my research.
I have yet to see any real censorship on this forum. None of my posts have been deleted and I wrote poignant arguments against Occupy. You're drowning in your conspiracy theories. Show us some proof. Here, I wrote your magical acronym. Save the permalink to this comment and see if it gets deleted. I'm willing to bet 200$ that it will still be here next week.
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Create a moniker and call "OBAMASUCKSDICK", and write about e A I P A C, or better yet write about the looting of the USA and christian-right funneling billions to ISRAEL, and see how long your around,... do the research just do it and learn, its called 'research'
What your doing is not offensive to anybody, you have already admitted such that censoring is largely 'manual', or have you forgotten already what you said?
Do the research my friend, make an offensive moniker, and write about a subject that is hated by OWS consensus and watch how fast your BILE goes to the NULL bucket.
You talk a lot about research, ... but you yourself admit you have never actually done any of the things that the rest of us bitch about.
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The 911 truth movement is a feel good response to the TV nation, the truth would kill them, the truth would destroy ameriKKKa.
The truth that a dozen sand niggers with box cutters destroyed the US empire, ... just the fought of such, ...
Do you folks know anything about real power? DO you know what the greatest fear of WWII was? That once the world saw the atom bomb go off that then all would know it was possible, most scientists understood theoritically, but the evidence was shown in hiroshima, then everybody started refining uranium the next day.
Same with 911, if the truth be told that a dozen guys with box cutters destroyed ameriKKKa, how long would it take before everybody realized how much power a dozen people have? Don't you all understand that the whole reason for 911 truth is to make people think that 911 was an act of the gods, when in fact a couple of teenagers with flight-sim training could have pulled it off, as the boyz at columbine proved, ...
It's ok, I was just sharing my observation of what I have seen,
I get bored code, I only care about ideas.
What you had seen was a mere illusion. To touch the real, the profound, you must be willing to do some research. It's all too easy to let our minds drift into the fantasy land of conspiracy theories.
I know you have a brain use it, why do you have to cut&paste stuff you have written a 1,000 times before? Having a bad day? Am I talking to the left or right zsp? have you already forgot who you are today? Or do you go left&right on the debate by odd&even hours? In my mind I have done research trial&error experimentation of how the black-box operates, If I really cared about conspiracy I would have studied the code and seen what kind logging and shit their doing, but personally I don't care, I only care about debating ideas about the ongoing collapse of the shithole USA, and they ain't no conspiracy,
You are already falling apart and indulging in long-winded rants instead of serious discussion, and it only took a few posts for me to reveal your weakness.
Give me the permalink to the comment where I wrote this before and copy pasted it from. Again, lame conspiracy theories. You are diseased.