Forum Post: You DON'T get it!
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 18, 2011, 12:58 a.m. EST by MichaelMoosman
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from Murray, UT
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The “Proposed list of demands” topic has 1841 comments and growing. It could grow into a forum of its own.
You can't pick through that much information to really understand what we want. Forums are great, but we MUST condense that information into a short statistical list to get anything meaningful out of it. You don't create a list of demands when you have 1800 people arguing over it.
I created a survey, and I've seen other surveys, but they need help. My survey can be found here: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/JWPJM3N
- The survey needs to ask the question, do you support the OWS movement, and you've got to have a way filter out people that don't. Otherwise tons of people go there that take the survey that don’t support the movement and the survey becomes meaningless.
- The survey needs to have answers like … strongly support, somewhat support, not sure, somewhat oppose etc, to find out how much do you support some measure?”, NOT just a yes / no question.
- The survey questions need to be VERY well written. You've got to include lots of different good proposals in the survey. You want to make sure after the survey is done, people can see exactly what this movement is all about.
A survey is the best and only practical way to unify this movement and let people know what we stand for.
ADD A POLL TO THIS WEBSITE!! This is the right place to have it. This is the website people go to for the OWS movement.
i go here now
but may loss patients if a sub forum system is not put in place
electronic anonymous surveys are too easy to stack
I think it would be helpful to polish up an online survey with some feedback. Then we could pay a professional organization to help do a real survey.
its all already here.
nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-york-city/
It is really all there? How do you know that's what the movement stands for? Wouldn't it be great if you could prove it to me with some form of statistics, like a survey?
Well, I could just show you our official declaration. At least as far as it stands right now. (See above.) If you'd like, I could add a suggestion, like repealing Gramm-Leach-Bliley.
I have read it, and I truly appreciate the effort, work and input to create it. Wouldn't it be interesting to see what percentage of people in this movement strongly support or somewhat support, or don't support each point?
Wouldn't it also be nice to have more information in the declaration about the steps of action? Perhaps a poll could help with that.
Sure, Michael, and good luck. The thing is, the online crowd is so chock-full of trolls, and these threads fly by + are gone within minutes, mostly. Whereas the general assembly meeting + voting has the people putting their bodies into the occupation doing the input. Not that I don't respect your sincerity. Hey, I love taking quizzes. Its fun, and I have as much passion on all these matters as anybody else.
In fact, I'm sorry if I sounded snotty or condescending. Every earnest idea should be heard + considered on its merits.
I'll go take your survey myself. Right Now.
Start the war against Injustice by starting our own banks to double the income of the Bottom 90% of Workers, for many more people will come to your side when you are proactive (for “new” Business & Government solutions), instead of reactive (against “old” Business & Government solutions), which is why what we most immediately need is a comprehensive “new” strategy that implements all our various socioeconomic demands at the same time, regardless of party, and although I'm all in favor of taking down today's ineffective and inefficient Top 1% Management System of Business & Government, there's only one way to do it – by fighting bankers as bankers ourselves, and thus doubling our income from Bank Profits which are 40% of all Corporate Profits; that is, using a Focused Direct Democracy organized according to our current Occupations & Generations. Consequently, I have posted a 1-page Summary of the Strategically Weighted Policies, Organizational Operating Structures, and Tactical Investment Procedures necessary to do this at:
http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/on_strategically_weighted_policies_organizational_operating_structures_tactical_investment_procedures
Join
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because we need 100,000 “support clicks” at AmericansElect.org in support of the above bank-focused platform.
Most importantly, remember, as cited in the first link, that as Bank Owner-Voters in your 1 of 48 "new" Business Investment Groups (or "new" Congressional Committees) you become the "new" Congress, and related “new” Businesses, replacing the "old" Congress, and related “old” Businesses, according to your current Occupations & Generations, called a Focused Direct Democracy.
Therefore, any Candidate (or Leader) therein, regardless of party, is a straw man, a puppet, a political opportunist; what's important is the STRATEGY – the sequence of steps – that the people organize themselves under in Military Internet Formation of their Individual Purchasing Power & Group Investment Power. In this, sequence is key, and if the correct mathematical sequence is followed then it results in doubling the income of the Bottom 90% of Workers from today's Bank Profits, which are 40% of all Corporate Profits.
Why? Because there are Natural Social Laws – in mathematical sequence – that are just like Natural Physical Laws, such as the Law of Gravity. You must follow those Natural Social Laws or the result will be Injustice, War, etc.
The FIRST step in Natural Social Law is to CONTROL the Banks as Bank Owner-Voters. If you do not, you will inevitably be UNJUSTLY EXPLOITED by the Top 1% Management System of Business & Government who have a Legitimate Profit Motive, just like you, to do so.
Consequently, you have no choice but to become Candidates (or Leaders) yourselves as Bank Owner-Voters according to your current Occupations & Generations.
So please JOIN the 2nd link, and spread the word to as many as possible, so we can make 100,000 support clicks at AmericansElect.org when called for, at exactly the right time, by an e-mail from that group, in support of the above the bank-focused platform. If so, then you will see and feel how your goals can be accomplished within the above strategy as a “new” Candidate (or Leader) of your current Occupation & Generation.
That's a lot of ideas. Wouldn't it be great if someone condensed that into a easy to read survey?
Einstein said that we must have a higher level of thinking (or complexity) in solving today's problems than the lower level of thinking (or simplicity) that created those problems in the first place.
I agree with Einstein. A survey is a great tool that smart people use to analyze a problem.
Perhaps you can write one and we'll go from there?
Done
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/JWPJM3N
But perhaps we could write a better one and add one to this site? It would get a lot more attention.
No offense, but that's a very general and quite common type of survey. OWS has to be about actions, not common opinions, or if will fail like every other movement about words in the past. On the other hand, it takes a very talented person to write questions that make people think deeply and focus on what the actual solutions are.
Then let's get to work and make a great survey and and it to this site. Let's find somewhat that can make an awesome survey.