Forum Post: You Can Not be a CONservative without being a Con
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 13, 2011, 1:15 p.m. EST by GlobalCrier
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A lot of Conservatives are the first to speak out against socialism saying it is bad and we should not go down that road. Yet many of them have socialized retirement and medical plans for life. Whether they are teachers, policeman, fireman, highway workers, cicil servants working for a city, state or federal government.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/peace-poem/#comment-55119
http://occupywallst.org/forum/a-protest-idea-that-is-outside-the-box/
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That doesn't make them cons. It means they are opportunists taking advantage of the socialism created by others. Some rationalize it because they see their money is stolen as taxes and being spent on these things. Things they would have done themselves, and better, if their money was not stolen from them.
And yet true conservatives support minimal government interference.
They in fact support individuality and hard work.
They don't support major corporations. They in fact support privately owned corporations.
They in fact support self-made individuals.
They support manual laborers.
They incepted unions (when unions were still about the worker, not the money).
They despise those who leech off of unenmplyment without actively seeking a job.
I think you are mixing up true conservatism with the american political interpretation of "conservative". Blindly aimed barbs won't solve anything. Passionate speeches will alienate potential supportes if you generalize.
Don't alienate people over sumething so silly as a political affiliation.
No preferential treatment seems preferential if you are the one benefitting.
"Con" comes from latin, and it means "with."
But you do make a decent point that they want their medicare, but speak out against socialism.
oh, oh, oh...let me try...you can't have dumbass without "U"
Conservatism is related to personality...the authoritarian personality feels safer in like minded groupings, is more uncomfortable with change, has trouble considering information that is not provided by approved authorities, requires a litmus test for accepting authorities, and much more. This personality makes up about 35% of the population, and correlates to the most conservative of the right wing and religious right. A superbly researched and written book is available online for free by the author. I recommend reading it so you can understand these people. They are not "cons" as they they believe in their ideology as truth. They are, however, being manipulated and don't seem able to recognize it because of their way of thinking and viewing the world. They are not bad people, nor are they the enemy. Please read the book!
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
Then please explain to me why, “The Extreme Conservative Right are the first people to interfere in a women’s right to choose and the first who want to send their children into to war.” The same people who believe it is a right to have guns and it is a privilege to have medical care. There is a lot of hypocrisy in the Extreme Conservative Right between what they say and what they do and have. How can you retire with a life long pension and health care benefits while claiming to be against socialism?
Because they have a different way of experiencing the world. They believe it is wrong and for them diversity of ideas is not acceptable. Have you ever heard two sects of Christians argue a biblical point? They will split up the church before reaching a compromise. They perceive compromise as weakness and defeat. Pay attention to polling numbers. That 35% or right around it is a regular artifact. We all have some degree of hypocrisy, and we shouldn't condemn them for theirs. It is much better to understand them and then you can forgive those ideologies that seem wrong to you (and to me). They have been the loudest voices because they feel threatened, and we let those voices overwhelm our own. Please read the book because I really don't do the subject justice.
Sunday, February 25, 2007
My Brother’s Christian Right My brother and the Christian Right that blinded by the Bible are leading this country into an endless religious war. Where there are many good and balanced Christian people and families in America and world. The extreme Born Again American Christian Right people such as President George W. Bush have taken their religious beliefs turned them into unsupported facts leading us into an endless religious war. Too many of the people that are part of the Christian rarely get or give any credit to any information or knowledge that does not originate from the Bible. They use their Bible as their cornerstone, foundation and roof for what they believe is right.
The American Christian Right have taken over the United States political system making it one of the hated governments in the world. It is their lack of tolerance of other people and their ways. It is the religious fervor of the American Christian Right that makes them no different than the enemies we are fighting today. The religious extremists on both sides have more in common with one and another they do with the majority of the people within their own nation.
Too many people of the American Christian Right read the Bible for their primary source of knowledge getting little to no information from other sources other than the their church. Too often their understanding of global history and science comes from their Bible and their religious leaders. They will thank their God for having more than other people, who are the non believers while fighting them so they can take more for themselves.
Too many of religious extremists of the Christian-Judaic Islamic faiths are people who can kill the non-believes of the people on the other side. Justifying it by saying they are doing it in God’s name. They polarize nations of people to go to war fighting in God name while they blame others for the problems we face in the world today. Yes, they will take the high religious road while they are putting down all of those people t them who are the non-believers.
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During the second half of the last century the republicans made a choice to embrace Christian ideology in order to win the bible belt as a voting block and it work. They created the religious right and have been manipulating it ever since. With the advent of the tea party, though, this is starting to bite them in the butt. The pols are afraid to speak out against any bad behavior or idea because they can't be seen as disagreeing. the left is comprised of a much larger group, but we don't have the the cohesiveness of thought or deed of the right. You consistently see voting en masse on the right with diversity in voting on the left in the legislature. They will shun dissenters. I've got some born agains in my family, too. I love them dearly and never visit them!
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: One of the main pillars of Conservative propaganda is that both parties are the same. Nothing they say is further from the truth. It is an insidious lie intended to demoralize progressives, and discourage them from voting. Do not fall for this canard, because if both parties are the same, there is no hope for change, and therefore no reason to vote. The truth is that there is a difference between the parties. A stark difference! One party works for the rich, the other party works for all Americans. One party takes money from the needy to feed the greedy, and the other party takes money from the greedy to feed the needy. One party has plans and policies to create jobs, and the other party has a long list of lame excuses for not doing anything. Liberals want to change things. Conservatives want things to stay the same. There is a difference. One party wants to tax the rich, and the other party wants to tax the poor. One party wants to destroy Unions, and the other party wants to support them. One party supports the Occupation of Wall Street, and the other party doesn’t. One party wants to rebuild America, and the other party doesn’t. One party wants to provide health care for all, and the other party doesn’t. One party wants to regulate Wall Street, and the other party doesn’t. One Party wants to end the wars; the other party wants them to go on forever. There is a difference. One party is Myopic, and the other party is Far Sighted. One party wants to help the Middle Class, and the other party is at war with the Middle Class. One party wants to fire Teachers, and the other party wants to hire them. One party wants to create more jobs in America, and the other party wants to create more jobs in Asia. There is a difference. One party wants to protect pensions, and the other party wants to loot them. One party has a heart, and the other party has Ann Coulter. One party protects the right bear Arms, and the other party protects the right of freedom of assembly. One party believes that the only role for the Government is to provide for the common defense, and the other party believes that the Government should also promote the general Welfare. There is a difference, and anybody that tells you there is no difference between the parties is simply not conversant with reality. In addition, anyone that blames the Democrats for the current state of affairs has no understanding of who controls the Government. One Party has the Presidency, and the other party has the Majority in the House, controls the Senate, has a majority on the Supreme Court, and is responsible for current economic policy. So, if you’re angry, and you want to start a real fight, I submit that we should start a real fight with the Conservatives! America has a Two Party System. One party is clearly on your side, the other party thinks you’re and Anti-American mob. At some point in time you’re going to have to pick one. Choose wisely, your future is at stake
While it is clearly true that there are stark differences between the beliefs of the people who select a party, politicians from both parties happily play the finance game and make themselves beholden to corporate interest. We are allowed to disagree over ideology, but right now the larger problems should unite us in our common interest. I spent 12 years of he'll as one of three progressives in a workplace of over 100 conservatives. I was bullied, made fun of, and faced outright hostility because I saw the war in Iraq as a sham from the start. I was called names like traitor, and when Obama won, their racism came out like a flood. I never gloated, yet they it even affected their willingness to work with me. It took me years to get over this (look up workplace bullying) and I'm still working it. Yet, I now have such a better understanding of them, and I can forgive them. Sometimes I have to reach pretty deep for it, but that book has helped me so much (link in my previous post). Please remember that they are being manipulated without having the tools to recognize it. We need to make the political system free of the manipulators, because the people have the right to differing opinions, even if you and I think the other side is as wrong as they think we are.
by blaming both sides equally how will that change anything and ows will not waste time on republicans who have no control of their leaders get money out of politics will never get republican support
Because it is true that politicians from both sides take money from businesses PACS and unions. this point angers the right as deeply as it does the left. We do have common ground, and that is where we need to stand together. If the leadership on the right won't support their voters on that point, perhaps their voters won't support them at the polls. I don't believe the right will ever adopt progressive ideas in their entirety, and won't vote for progressive or even center left politicians, but we all need to get control away from business so our government has a chance to represent us.
ows will dismantle the republican party
Divisive. Conversation over.
OWS efforts will fail unless we mobilize Americans of all stripes and political affiliations.
Conservative everyday Americans are not your enemy. Your enemy is sitting up on high in Washington DC...
GlobalCrier, why are you here? I'm here because I want to reform our government and eliminate corruption. I realize that in order to do so, we need to act in a unified manner.
Your actions are pushing conservatives away. If you want change, you need to stop and rethink what you are doing, because you're certainly not helping me or the greater movement.
The political right has not come to this site for enlightenment. They have come to this site to be divisive and a distraction. They want to totally destroy any social safety net we may still have. Using the rally call of” conservatism” as the mantra.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions
But we need facts and evidence directing social decisions, regardless of political views.
Divide and Conquer. Good job GlobalCrier...keep it up; let's nip it in the bud.
We need to quit protesting and march north to Canada. They understand our desires of life.
I would be moving to Canada if I were not married with children. I can relate and connect with the Canada” foreign and domestic policies much more than the United States policies over the last forty years.
Amen sister, spread the word. Bring your family. We will all be better off.