Forum Post: With 1 out of 4 AMERICAN kids living in poverty… If you think this is sustainable and won't have revolutionary repercussions…
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 29, 2011, 10:58 a.m. EST by unarmed
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you're out of your mind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_w7eUuG8Eo&feature=player_embedded
A glimpse at poverty for children in America
http://www.drozfans.com/dr-ozs-advice/dr-oz-hunger-in-america%E2%80%99s-middle-class/
http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/lisa-ling-sex-trafficking-america
http://www.kansascity.com/trafficking/
http://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/osdfs/factsheet.html
The present us government- couldn't care less about the suffering of human children! Yes its sustainable-- the 1% can continue to rape and pillage this planet, for another hundred years- they have a million armed solders to contain us- they are building camps to hold us--
but the question is ARE WE GOING TO LET THEM!
I "thrasymaque" says no - that's why i came down from Canada- to support my American brothers-- training web page http://url2it.com/jsne
I Live in Central Florida's East Coast.. and this is ABSOLUTELY True!
First.. when you drive around Fl, you still see homes and Fences down from the 2004 Hurricane Season, means: there is no money to fix things. Second, when Rita and Katrina Hit.. many came to Fl. for Shelter and Homes.
There is NO MONEY here.. but for tourist trades, and now THAT is on the Wan.
So, if you think the facts arent Sustainable... then your LIFE isnt!
Food As A Weapon Has Been A Strategy Of The New World Order For A Long Time Now.
They have purposely engineered it so that we are dependent on other continents so they can keep mass control of food so they can keep mass control of us! There is plenty of info on this subject. Just search "NWO food as weapon". We need to get back to local farming and FAST! There is plenty of resources. This sustainability fear is being exaggerated beyond words so that we become more pliable to their NWO agenda. Its sickening!
http://nwoobserver.wordpress.com/2011/07/26/6-ways-food-is-being-used-as-a-weapon/
According to the IRS 10% of ALL tax payers in America earned about $500 per month in 2009.
http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/article/0,,id=102886,00.html
These IRS stats only count the Americans THAT ARE WORKING it doesn't even include the MILLIONS out of work and earning NOTHING.
That's what I have been saying -
According to the IRS 10% of ALL tax payers in America earned about $500 per month in 2009. Would $500/ month be considered poverty level for you? According to the IRS the AVERAGE AMERICAN tax payer earned just about $800 above the national poverty line. How can you claim that poverty doesn't exist in America, then casually sweep the notion aside? http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/article/0,,id=102886,00.html
wait - how can I sweep poverty aside? I don't . . .
My comment above was in response to the OP - I was in agreement.
Maybe you are referring to someone else?
Sorry, wrong post.
no sweat. With the numbers of homeless Americans growing day by day, you did ask a pertinent question.
60 Minutes ran a heartbreaking piece on the issue this past Sunday.
Who has the gall to send our limited funds off to other poverty stricken countries? If your child is dying of starvation, do you walk down the block and give your food to the poor in the next tenement - I don't think so! We have so many issues at home, and we ignore them at peril! Educate and arm yourselves with the 'weapons' of law. Remain apathetic and disinterested while the bus of progress runs you over - you deserve to die and be cast aside. I'm gonna be one of those that tries to take the bus!
Amen!
So do soemthing about it. Help feed them. We don't need the government or the rich to do it.
Here is one example: http://americasgrowarow.org/
Over 200 years ago when we were forming states, a country and a more perfect union… We decided at that point that we would ban together as a society, forming a central government for the benefit of all individuals in that society. Why is it that now some want to undo that collaboration and revert back to the every man (and child) for himself, only the strong survive, laws of the jungle?
Who said anything about reverting to every man for himself? I did not say that.
I would call what I posted 1450 people (including children) collaborating to do something good for other people (including children).
I would love to see more energy focused on these positive initiatives. Imagine hammering nails for 2 months for Habitat for Humanity instead of banging in a drum circle.
Prove it. I do not believe these statistics, it is as bad as saying a child in africa dies every minute. At that rate Africa is either producing kids at rabbit like speeds as they are experiencing population growth, or it is a lie. I say it is a lie.
In 2011 the Census Bureau published a supplemental poverty measure for the first time (US Census Bureau 2011b). This new measure addresses seven concerns that have been raised about the official poverty measure, including the fact that the offical poverty measure does not reflect the effects of key government policies that alter the disposable income of families and thus their poverty status, such as the SNAP/food stamp program. (For a good brief discussion of these issues see 2011b, p.1-3.) Taking these adjustments into account, the supplemental poverty measure showed a 3 million increase in the number of poor people in 2010, compared to the official poverty rate. Who is poor shows some striking changes. The percentage of children in poverty is 27.7 percent of the total population in poverty with the supplemental measure and 36.1 with the official measure; while people over 65 are 12.7 percent of the total population in poverty in the supplemental measure and 7.6 percent in the official measure (2011b, p.3-8). The supplemental poverty measure does measure poverty more accurately, and it is gratifiying to see that programs to reduce poverty and hunger among children have had an impact.
27% of children (that's 1 in 4)
http://www.worldhunger.org/articles/Learn/us_hunger_facts.htm
Why should I or anyone else even consider the opinion of anyone that requires "proof" that poverty exist in America? That opinion is tainted from the onset.
1 in 4 children living in poverty is not true and you know it.
According to the IRS 10% of ALL tax payers in America earned about $500 per month in 2009. Would $500/ month be considered poverty level for you? According to the IRS the AVERAGE AMERICAN tax payer earned just about $800 above the national poverty line.
How can you claim that poverty doesn't exist in America, then casually sweep the notion aside?
http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/article/0,,id=102886,00.html
These IRS stats only count the Americans THAT ARE WORKING it doesn't even include the MILLIONS out of work and earning NOTHING.
What's an acceptable figure of AMERICAN kids living in poverty for you? 1 in 5? 1 in 6? Are you fine with 1 in 10?
I live in an area of homes valued over 250k yet the school system has 85% free or reduced lunch. This allows the school system to claim Title 1 status and therefore qualify for 500k per year for "at risk" students. This has been the case for many, many years and it is pure fraud perpetuated by the school system. these statistics wind up in the hands of MORE government officials who start clamoring that there are kids going to bed hungry and coming to school hungry and it is just not true. Funny how they can afford cable, but cannot feed their kids. I have never said poverty does not exist and I challenge you to point to any of my posts that say that, but what i am saying is that these numbers are not accurate. They are numbers that are designed to benefit the government, not the people.
Do you agree with the numbers provided by the IRS? Is the IRS part of your big poverty conspiracy? 10% of ALL tax payers earned about $500 per month in 2009, or about 14 million AMERICANS. Another 15 Million are unemployed and EARNING NOTHING, do you dispute that? AND according to the IRS about 35% of AMERICANS earn at or below the poverty line, that's an additional 50 million AMERICANS.
LINK TO IRS: http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/article/0,,id=102886,00.html
I do not believe it, why you ask? EIC. This little doozy pays people who the government does not believe earns enough to support their families. Add this to Welfare, WIC, medicare, food stamps (oops, SNAP)and all the other little goodies the government hands out and they are far from the poverty line. The IRS accounts for income, not for the entitlements.
As I stated before ,"With 1 out of 4 AMERICAN kids living in poverty… If you think this is sustainable and won't have revolutionary repercussions… you're out of your mind"
Historically, like every other country that suppressed a substantial portion of it's population, revolution is the end result, just look at our own American history for starters.
There are a total of about 5 million welfare recipients IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY.
http://www.statemaster.com/graph/eco_wel_cas_tot_rec-economy-welfare-caseloads-total-recipients
These numbers NOWHERE near address the issue of poverty in the AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS.
I believe the agencies that provide food for the starving of the world, purposefully 'milk' the milk of human kindness to death. The following is a link to a company that tracks what is received and what is actually doled out to the poverty stricken of the world ......http://www.charitynavigator.org/.... I've 'heard' of agencies that give less than 2% of the monies they collect, to the poor. If these companies are willing to scoop most of the monies into their 'non-profit' coffers (some of these agencies have CEO's and VP's living in million dollar mansions!), I'm sure they'd be completely willing to 'stack the numbers' as to how many people are starving in other countries. Consider the other side of the coin, If the US Government is willing to take away our rights and have our politicians line their own pockets, I fully expect they'd be willing to cover up the illiteracy, poverty and other standards herewith. The best way to fight injustice is with education and activism! Activate your brains America!
Money does not solve problems, it perpetuates them.
Or it simply shifts problems around to new areas. The problem is solved as you said with information, and with resources.
http://thevenusproject.com/
Money is a tool. Use a tool in the wrong fashion and it becomes destructive. (i.e., idiots that bash themselves in head with hammer and then sue the manufacturer claiming the item had no disclaimer saying it would maim them if used inappropriately). The issue is not the money, it's the moral responsibility of those wielding it.
Money creates an incentive to perpetuate problems.
Money itself will always imply debt, a social contract where some individual or group owes another. Problem is, much of the existing services today are unnecessary and a huge portion of labor/services are mechanized/automated. So very few people are actually contributing something of real value to society. And more often than not, these people aren't paid adequately for their contributions..
Money is only necessary when two factors are met:
People can't get along: without a mutually 'enforced' agreement. Money requires imposed violence to restrict access and function as intended.
Scarcity of a need exists: That is, the production of necessities can not be provided abundantly for free. If any necessity is abundant and easily accessed, people will not pay money to buy the product/good. (Automation and Mechanization provide abundance)
A new social contract is necessary which allows technology to create sustainable abundance without restriction/regulation by a few elite individuals looking to profit from problems. And unfortunately browbeating people to act morally will accomplish nothing if there's a profit to be made by intentionally behaving immorally.
What you suggest has a name; Utopia. Moneyless operations? Hah! The world is much more mundane and impractical. If you want to manipulate the cogs of society you need two things. Blood and money. Blood is the last resort...
Pay your siblings and parents every time they performed a service? Unless you lived in a family that relies on money to bribe each other.
All around the world there exist local communities that treat its members as extended family. But again, they operate on a totally different social contract from the materialistic 'norm'.
And Utopia implies perfection. Family operations are by no means perfect.
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