Forum Post: If You're Ex-Military, Fox News and the Government Want To Bash Your Head In.....
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 8, 2011, 12:54 a.m. EST by puff6962
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There have been a number of conservative pundits decry the Occupy movement. But, their most inflammatory vitriol is poured upon VETERANS who are participating in the protests.
They are expressing a very dark fear in their words. Republicans are well aware that they sent an army into another country without cause. They know that over 5000 have lost their lives and 30,000 have been wounded. They remember that the soldiers didn't have adequate armor and their vehicles were defenseless against road side bombs. They tried to sell the message that things were going well while blocking military retirements and enforcing "stop outs." They didn't send the necessary level of troops to contain the violence until all was almost lost. They turned Iraq into a cauldron and left our soldiers to fend for themselves.
They remember, and they are afraid that you will as well.
I dont have a problem with anyone who works hard for a living, wether its wall street or in government. I do have a problem with corruption.
I agree. But these socialist useful idiots think that the government, at least the democrats, is not corrupt at all.
That is the "they're bad so we can be horrible" argument. I don't buy it.
Who the hell said that?
The democrats have no cohesive constituency.....it's a little more difficult to be corrupt when you're not sure who your masters are.
The Republicans, by contrast, have a fantastic record of being beholden to big money, corporations, the evangelical/conservative catholic bloc, and to anybody who wants less regulations. This is a very solid constituency; one that will tolerate any sins or tactics as long as their desires are served.
The Democrats may be without sin, but the Republican party has simply become evil incarnate.
Do you realize that, since 1991, there has not been a single....not one....Republican member of Congress that has voted for a tax increase in any form.
The Nazis could not enforce that kind of adherence.
You are deluded. The democrats are just as beholden to lobbyists and corporations as the republicans. Wake up and shake off the propaganda.
Read:
http://www.truth-out.org/goodbye-all-reflections-gop-operative-who-left-cult/1314907779
Oh for christs sake.... Fine, worship your democrat party. Pin your hopes on them. Have their baby for all I care. Now go away and let the grown ups talk.
You didn't read it.
The world does not exist in black and whites. So, if you are going to be realistic in this world, you sometimes have to find the lightest shade of gray.
good point. The last thing the right wants is for the public to put the puzzle together.
Yes, therefore all the disinformation on this forum to turn the general public off.
The viewers of Fox news are consistently the most misinformed individuals tied to ANY news source. Propaganda doesn't work as news.
As of this time, I really don't think that a open forum counts as news. If you want to actually master a topic, I would suggest that you read, "The Big Con," by Johathan Chait and see whether you agree with the underpinnings of this movement. If you don't agree, at least you will have read a book.
what do you think of this
If, or once, The Occupy Nation agrees on one vision, it should be imperative that they find candidates that will agree to ask for a Constitutional Convention. This convention, through the internet, will become the forum for debating with the opposition. Because that debate will be accessible by all—and easier to hotlink—anyone who chooses not to participate abdicates their civil rights to the New American Consensus. This simple act, I BELIEVE, is the only way to change course. But a new deal has to be struck and agreed on before it can co-opt the government. I implore anyone who is taken this occupy thing seriously to tell me why I am wrong.
Sincerely, Jesse Thomas Heffran
A "Constitutional Convention" to create a new Constitution or to amend the current Constitution??
Thank you. Now gather all the vets you can and have them confront/protest Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, and George the second.
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Wait. what are you complaining about again? You obviously never served.
There is a great deal of editing of great remarks on this page.
Which post are you replying to?
I was an infantry officer in the Marine Corps and was medically retired after being injured in a friendly fire incident. I have watched Fox News lie on camera in Iraq. I don't care if you are a Republican or a Democrat, you have to support the kids who fight for our country for less than $30K a year, and we should condem people like the CEO's for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Requesting million dollar bonuses for leading failing institutions. That sort of greed is appalling. A real American would exercise a little patriotism and serve his country. Regardless of wether you agree with our foreign policy, as Americans we should honor our patriots who die for a pittance, and condem those who's greed would strip the tax payers of money that they can hardly spare.
As a vet the only thing I know is that as bush was sending more and more kids to war as he was cutting VA funding. I know that I have many injured and a few freinds I won't see again. For what?? Lies. I can't believe I served to protect this country. There isn't a right to protest. Police brutalize it's citizens for protesting. Cities illegally repeatedly deny permits to protest. I am so saddened by what this country is.
You know nothing about the war. this post is completely irrelevent to the issues that this group is supposedly for. Don't bring military veterans or active service members into your attempt at making a difference. Nothing in the post is accurate, especially since you site nothing.
What have you found to be inaccurate?
It probably stems from the Vietnam era where liberals treated returning soldiers in an unfathomable way.
Do you think that your system of ethics should be summed up as, "well they did it first."
Grow up and live for a better world, not a petty one.
No. I clearly offered a possible reason. My ethics have nothing to do with the conversation.
So, you are defending others who utilize this perversion of ethics.
No. Again. I only gave a possible reason why.
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the veterans all know who the real enemy is.
they all know we fight these wars for Israel. try talking to one of them, will open ur mind.
Huge Wall st. and military-industrial complex profits from endless war. Dems and republicans are the same, encouraging military spending.
Our government seems be be operating on the premise that if you can't lead by example, lead by force. If we don't revise that strategy soon, we are inviting dire consequences.
Agreed. 9/11 was blowback from Clinton's bombing Bin Ladden's hoapital on the false info it was making WMD. We will get blowback as long as we interfere by war around the world. That's what the MIC wants so the money never stops coming.
Once we have all our problems fixed at home, then maybe our point of view will be valued in the world (without fear of the iron rod). That's assuming we can be forgiven the sins of the past.
Unlikely. The Middle east especially hold vendettas and grudges for generations.
Then we've got some really serious work to do.
That's why Afghanistan is called the Graveyard of Empires: No one can occupy them: Greeks, Romans, Turks, British, Russia, now us. Those that don't learn from history, repeat it.
Not true.
Obama escalates Iraq and Afghan wars: Repub policy. Obama gives tax breaks to rich: Repub policy. Obama deregulates Wall St.: Repub policy. Obama cuts medicare and medicaid: Repub policy. Obama rolls back smog regs: Repub policy. Both parties are the same.
Lets not forget the civilians, more civilians were killed and injured than soldiers. It is that way in all wars. I saw children looked like they had been hit with 20 gauge birdshot. They were alive fortunately. Being treated at the hospital inside the base.
Yes, I should have written, "the lost lives."
I am a veteran, and I support the cause. In face, my medic training by the military is now going to good use to help Americans injured by the police forces that brutalize them.
You must gather up all of the veterans that you can find a stage protests of Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, and George Bush highlighting the points I raised in the original post here.
Only a protest comprised strictly of veterans will cause the press to re-examine all of the lies that were told by the administration to justify the invasion of Iraq. The loss of life, the ruined families, the cost to this nation demand that the perpetrators of these lies be held to account.
Veterans are everywhere, including the protests now. Veterans in Oakland were injured by police brutality.
The press will always place a negative spin on Occupy, because they are controlled by the 1%.
Start here and find this guy:
http://www.rove.com/appearances
Oh yeah, that seems reasonable... It's spot on realistic opinions like this that have this movement in the state that it's in!
And the democrats are innocent in all this? What about the liberal/left god Obama ratcheting up the wars. Oh, and Gitmo is still open.
Both parties are completely compromised. Republican / Democrat it doesn't matter, once you're in a fairly high political position you follow the orders you're given.
It always seems to take longer than you would like to clean the dog shit off of your shoes.
You and your democrat masters are the filth of this country. You are the enemy. The idiot republicans are nothing compared to you Marxist filth.
And you are simply rude. Didn't you learn better manners?
Apparently not.
Then maybe you should seek to do so.
Hail Reagan!! Yes, mein fuhrer Rove.
Yeah, that's what my post said. Are any of you commie anal fistula's capable of an actual answer to a question?
Take me to the moon....oh Glenn....oh Glenn....I want to be your love toy. Do me like a dirty Santorum. Go goosestep somewhere else you drip on the surface of humanity.
Reduced to that. Yeah, you Marxist scum are like that. Trust me, someday you and all like you will be dealt with.
Yes. And you will be leading those who will destroy liberty in the name of liberty.
Go to bed tonight and decide what God you serve. You will only have this window. No more.
You leftist garbage understand nothing of liberty. You would enslave all mankind in the name of your "justice".
You know, I have studied the 1930's pretty well and you should be wearing a leftover brown army uniform from the First World War and eating schnitzel.
If only you obey you corporate masters, maybe a crumb will fall from their plate and onto yours. Don't you get tired of being so angry? Does it get you laid? Maybe if you went back to school and really studied this time. You could have a good life. The road you're traveling down will only lead to more and more bitterness. So, go to bed tonight and decide what God you serve. Is it the Christ described in the New Testament or is it the Lord as described by Fox News? You will only have this window and you will remember this question was phrased to you on this night for the rest of your life. Choose wisely.
Perhaps now they will reconsider their incessant use of the term "hero" as they so arrogantly believed it to pertain to all members of our armed forces. Veterans with Occupy, now that is something they never imagined. Fools!!! Solidarity!!!
Desperation breeds strange bedfellows.
I remember, and i hope those veterans stand up and use their talent against the house of representatives, if they do, it will be a happy day, some conflicts cant be resolved by voting the bastards out, sometimes you gotta break some eggs
Violence only serves the purpose of those who desire to defeat evil with evil.....unfortunately, that doesn't usually work out to well.
Guess it depends how badly people want change, im more along the lines of our patriotic forefathers,
Our patriotic forefathers were separated by an ocean and generations of living separate than England. If you want a more apt analogy in our history, you should read the history of 1861-1865.
Good point, our country feels truly divided
Yes, but I am pretty sure the REAL reason we were in Iraq in the first place and for so long was for OIL PROFITEERING. The powers that be worked off the outrage of the American people over 9/11 and yes there was some bad guys to hunt down (Osama bin laden) but in the end it was all about the oil that region has.
That last thing we need is another Republican (war-mongerer) president in office. Remember, they think war is good business (yes, sure it's good business when they have the hidden agenda of oil profiteering.) They don't care about the veterans and it clearly shows.
Now with the rumors and fear that our troops may be pulled into war with Iran (by Israel). I hope and pray that this never comes to pass. While I like to believe that the people in the Arab world are feed up with the oppression and having tyrants for leaders, I also think that there is definitely manipulation by the 1% for the destabilization of all these countries for oil profiteering. Here is an article about the oil boom in Iran. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2009/04/iran-there-will-be-oil-and-lots-of-it.html Now I am not surprised by all this talk about going to war with Iran. If this happens, there should be mass protests like this country has not yet seen. How dare they drag our vets into another war to benefit the greedy 1%.. Just appalling!!!!
http://money.cnn.com/2011/10/28/news/international/iraq_oil/index.htm
Haha... who owns the media in this country? The only reason we have not seen more anti-war sentiment is that the media has been entirely absent in Iraq and Afghanistan. We're not seeing the day to day blood and guts at all.
It doesn't matter. I'd vote for Putin before I'd vote for Obama.
same thing...no difference...both owned by corporate America ..
Militainment: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2373519247173568764
Iraq for sale: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Zt9BZD7mlc
It's been obvious to me from the very start that the stance adopted by the media was intentional and one intended to insulate us from the violence as a means of continued support. This was definitely not going to be a Vietnam. I've seen Iraq for Sale before but even here... it is extremely unusual for a brigadier general to give an open public interview expressing personal opinion in a manner so personable. It's highly unusual because the military I was familiar with did not speak a civilian language. And, in fact, it was usually years before most re acclimated. So I would question her posture here too. She is a pretender. So we have weird on both sides of this.
Agreed. The absence of a draft and the absence of true news coverage has made this a forgotten war even before the war is concluded.
I don't know about the Putin thing, but Newt is pretty close. Be careful what you wish for.
Do you know who the most admired man in the world was to incoming college freshmen in 1938 America? Albert Einstein....No. FDR.....No.
It was Adolph Hitler.
No I wasn't aware of that but I do know he is admired in Germany to this day. I have often heard the statement, "this would have never happened in Hitler's day." So... there was reason he was admired.
You are truly stupid aren't you.
haha... I been there, it's the absolute truth.
Thank you for your speech Osama.
Seig Hail, mein neocon.
There a very few veterans participating in this. You make up numbers like Obama and Democrats do. Most veterans think you're lazy slobs. That you should go out and get a job and earn your own money instead of taking it from other people.
Stop putting veterans in your group of filthy dirty hippies. What would you leeches know about Iraq or Afghanistan? Go look for a job, it isn't going to find you. This is getting tiresome.
I know a veteran who supports occupy wallstreet.
They know more than any of us do about what's going on.
I said there are very few, genius.
Yes, but history is only in it's first paragraph on this one.
I knew enough to support whatever means possible to bring back the head of Osama Bin Laden in 2001. (Do you know how many American troops were on the ground during the battle of Tora Bora? Look it up sport). I also knew enough to understand that the Bush administration was pushing Iraq down our throats with terrible intelligence. But, who would have believed that an American President would create his own intelligence service within the offices of the VP just so they could cherry pick the items that could build the case? Who would spend 1.5 trillion.....the amount the supercommittee is now charged with cutting from services that go to a lot of middle income and poor people.....just because he had Daddy issues? Who would risk the lives of so many Americans? Who would delay body armor and adequate transports because it was more expedient to deny that these deficiencies existed? Who would give a grand total of 24 reasons for why we invaded Iraq after there were, of course, no WMD found.
If you are an American, it was your JOB to know about Afghanistan and Iraq before these mistakes were made. Unfortunately, it was those you would label as liberals or hippies who, ultimately, proved far more correct than the scum that you represent.
I would also note, it is not the Police who are anti Military and anti Veterans. It is instead the people who control them. The police are just doing their jobs. They are your friends.
The people who control them are your enemies. In NYC that is Mayor Bloomberg.
Do you think that the majority of policemen watch MSNBC or Fox News? The propaganda of the latter is what will drive the reaction to the protests.
Quote: Republicans are well aware that they sent an army into another country without cause.
Absolutely true. They would never send their own kids to war, it's always other people's kids.
That's why I think we should bring back a draft that requires equal percentages from each 10% socioeconomic block in our country.
Why not just just require politicians who vote for sending troops to war to send their closest off-spring of military age to the front lines? That would be much more direct incentive compatibility.
Unrealistic. What if their kids are in their 50's?
Closest blood relative: grand child, great grand child. Let them sacrifice their own blood first.
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