Forum Post: Why so angry at corporations?
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 23, 2011, 7:27 p.m. EST by Bhoys
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If they break the law, fine, but most aren't breaking any laws.
Shouldn't occupy leave corporations alone to focus on making better laws? Where does this anger come from?
Laws don't equal morality. Bribing politicians to pander to corporation by using loopholes is NOT moral. So yeah, we're kinda pissed aboot that.
Because corporations buy off politicians to legalize what used to be fraud and crime.
Remember that the Nazis "legalized" the killing of Jews and many others, so technically no Nazi "broke the law" of the time by killing victims. Does that make killing all those people "legal"? That's what the Nuremberg trials were all about: there are absolute laws that cannot be broken, and absolute crimes that cannot be "legalized".
Defrauding families out of their homes, political corruption, destroying the environment, stealing peoples' (earned) retirements and (earned) Social Security, stealing taxpayers' money for private enrichment and so on are crimes even if a corrupt political system makes "convenience laws" that try to "make it all legal".
"Focusing on making better laws" has everything to do with "not leaving corporations alone" because they bought the laws (like "deregulation") that allow them to commit crimes against taxpayers with impunity. That has to end.
When corporate lobbyists have the power to write the laws, that is a central part of the problem. Of course they are not breaking the law when they designed the loopholes!
Watch 'The Corporation'... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pin8fbdGV9Y
Read some Naomi Klein, to start with. It's not about "breaking" laws when it's an entity above the Laws of the land, given Personhood status and at the same time treated as Superhuman.
They don't have to break any laws when they write the laws themselves. As far as I'm concerned that's called corruption. And, of course, it takes 2 to tango. The various lawmakers are also guilty.
I think one thing that would help is to not allow anyone who has ever served in a legislature to every become a lobbyist, and no one who has ever held the position as a registered lobbyist should be allowed to run for public office in any capacity.
Correct. There are many corporations out there supporting local communities. What is of a concern are those that are outsourcing, supporting foreign jobs, lobbying for politicians, those are the concerns.
Agree.
I'm not angry at corporations. I am angry at corporatists. Big difference.
You're kidding, right?
Many corporations have forgotten who feeds them. They use their lobbyists for there own needs and only cater to their shareholders. Many of their workers are part time and get no benefits. The communities that they thrive in have lost many small businesses because of them and they don't help the communities they are in.
We are largely responsible because we shop at these corporations for the cheaper price. I don't want to put them out of business, I just want to get them to help us make these reforms in our society. Since consumer spending is driving 70% of the US economy, they are the ones who can help us. They need to use their lobbyists in Washinton to get the legislation we need. If they would do this without us having to boycott, all the better for them.
When we refine our list maybe they should start working on these demands for reform, before we have to boycott them.
There are too many people suffering, this cannot to go on!
Comes from the corporations buying our government for their own personal gain. Comes from the greed of corporations who come into our back yards and poison our water supply, our air, our children with out a conscious thought of the damage they are doing, while being treated by our government like actual human beings. Corporations are not human, they do not have the right to be given the same benefits as a human while not being held accountable as a human would. They do break laws and get away with it because they have the coin to hire enough lawyers and can hold out until their opposition is broke, not because they are right. And to top off your comment, we cannot focus on making better laws as long as corporations are the ones making the laws in shady back door deals and underhanded lobbying tactics. I don't care what anyone says, lobbying is legalized bribing. Its a disgusting display of the power our government gives the wealthy.
I'm not angry at corporations--I'm angry at corporations that spend endless amounts of money bribing politicians to do their bidding. And of course, I'm homicidally angry at the traitorous whores on the Supreme Court who've made it legal for them to do so--they should HANG...
People are angry because they can see everything and their future going down the drain. Big Corporations have a lot to do with it, but so does government, wall street, the banks and on an on. But they are just symptoms of our real problems. That's why we're not getting anywhere.
FIGHT THE CAUSE - NOT THE SYMPTOM Read “Common Sense 3.1” at ( www.revolution2.osixs.org )
I agree with you. This anger should not be focused on "corporate greed" since this is only a symptom of a larger problem of government corruption and corporate favors. Corporations can be as greedy as they want in a free market, I don't care, being greedy is bad business and they'd get eaten alive in a free market. That's why you can't blame capitalism. We haven't lived in capitalism in a long time. The best example we have today of capitalism is the internet and online businesses. See how most things are either free or competitively priced? Monopolies can only exist with a government's blessing.
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because if they didn't blame corporations, they would have to face the reality.
They will die before blaming the guy who fooled them, the person who Is responsible and to blame for the state of the union. The guy they cheered for and cried and sang Hope Change, Yes We Can and We Know Best.
it's about saving face
Q: What would you get if you crossed a Jackass with Barack Obama?
A: Barack Obama.
Useless comment. Obama is not the problem. The problem has been around for the past 20 years. It's only gotten worse with Obama in office, whether or not he is to blame is debatable.
well, we certainly can't fire the corporations. or ask them to be responsible for where we end up.
we can however Fire our elected officials AND hold them responsible as is their job.
useless?
no, useless would be myself marching in the street blaming an invisible boogyman when I am eligible to vote
You seriously think we can vote our way out of this. Granted, protest is not the ideal option, but it works a hundred fold better than inaction, which is basically what you're proposing by choosing only to vote.
making noise is good also :)
I just like to stay focused on the direction my noise is going. I'll get better results than focusing my aggravation towards a jar of mayo.
Ah...so all of these problems started in 2009? LOLOLOLOL....
no, but you cant fire bush either, or clinton, or carter.
it's been 3 years, we saw in the 1st 100 days what this one was doing, we didn't need 4 years and we pray it wont take 8 and the total destruction of our economy for people to realize what this guy is all about. BUT
as I was saying, YES we hold the bus driver responsible for the direction of the bus, the decisions he makes, the condition of the bus, and getting us from one place to another.
so why keep crying about the last driver?