Forum Post: Why Libertarians and Liberals should get along
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 14, 2011, 9:32 p.m. EST by MerchantofLight
(46)
from Chicago, IL
This content is user submitted and not an official statement
Public Forum
1 comments 6 days ago by agkaiser
1 comments 3 weeks ago by agkaiser
1 comments 3 weeks ago by agkaiser
0 comments 1 month ago by agkaiser
0 comments 2 months ago by agkaiser
11 comments 2 months ago by grapes
0 comments 2 months ago by agkaiser
0 comments 2 months ago by agkaiser
0 comments 2 months ago by agkaiser
0 comments 2 months ago by agkaiser
0 comments 3 months ago by agkaiser
2 comments 3 months ago by agkaiser
0 comments 3 months ago by agkaiser
1 comments 3 months ago by agkaiser
0 comments 3 months ago by agkaiser
1 comments 3 months ago by agkaiser
0 comments 4 months ago by agkaiser
1 comments 5 months ago by agkaiser
0 comments 5 months ago by factsrfun
7 comments 5 months ago by factsrfun
4 comments 6 months ago by factsrfun
8 comments 6 months ago by factsrfun
4 comments 6 months ago by gsw
7 comments 6 months ago by factsrfun
Don't agree, and yes, it is way over-simplified.
Let me inject my two cents worth of my own simplification:
Corporations are GREEDY, they put money over people every time because it is always about the money. This is why they have lay-offs. They hire us to make money from us, the moment they don't, your out.
The government, however, when it works as it was intended, is all about the people & nothing but the people. It is supposed to care about US.
The tea party, many who are libertarian, have no compassion for those who struggle or suffer in our society. They will leave them at the curb, since, in their view, they aren't carrying their own weight, and, after all we aren't a nanny state. They made their bed, now sleep in it. They don't care. no empathy, no compassion.
And, in that vain, for the libertarian, government can shrink and shrivel from caring about the least of us. And save much more money for those of us who play well at the game of life. (And don't get really sick!)
Ya know, it does seem quite odd to be saying Libertarians & Liberals should be getting along and we have common ground. It's almost like saying War is really Peace, and Peace is War.
The duality is priceless though. It does occur much more in every facet of life than many realize. We are ourselves are a duality as we live as opposed to the day we won't.
I suggest changing the title to:
Why Libertarians and Liberals should discuss why they diametrically opposed to each. (Maybe we could learn something, maybe)
Alright Merchant of Light, nice thought. : )
Is the absence of government the greatest treat? Possibly! Libertarians are faith motivated anarchists and extremely hard to define due to many different viewpoints among themselves. They do defend corporate capitalism, free-market and deem social programs unnecessary just as the republicans do. Liberals want the government to be in charge the economy and responsible for our needs. What is the purpose to form a government to rule against us?
The government should serve us, protect us, and bring together society for the good of all it's citizens. Our common pursuit of happiness. If we don't stand United as One for the Good of All then government has no real purpose. If we don't care about every one of us then our worth as human beings is diminished. Each one of us is truly precious and I will always believe that. It appalls me that libertarians disregard many of the social programs which have been the last hope for many people. Maybe it's because they don't have or want to look any one of these people straight into their eyes and tell them, "We can't help you."
I half agree. I do think both sides understand the government isn't doing it's damn job currently. They focus on the government having too much power, we focus on the government not using it's power to prevent corporate abuse and protect the citizens.
I do think that, in general, #OWS is closer to truth. Most people in it understand that the government's strength is often misapplied and that it has control over things it really shouldn't. They also understand that the government absolutely needs power to effectively regulate the private sector and that the private sector absolutely needs to be regulated. I don't think the tea party recognizes that right now. It's terribly dangerous to reject government because the one in place does not stand for the citizen efficiently, cause if you kill it, well, there just won't be anyone standing up.
Another reason. When big government is clearly in the wrong. This is exactly why we need to separate govt from corporate money. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0ibsoqjPac&feature=youtu.be
Libertarians like Ron Paul oppose the Civil Rights Act and that's reason enough for me not to get along with them.
Liberals are empirical Libertarians are not
Yus!
The problem comes when both sides try to hijack or an infiltrator tries to disrupt.
Example A - "Let's support the uber regressive Flat Tax! 'Fair' Tax! 999!"
Example B - "End the FED!"
Example C - "Moneyless society! We all live in communes!"
You see what I mean?
No, plz explain..... : )
Exactly. Many more people will come to your side when you are proactive (for “new” Business & Government solutions), instead of reactive (against “old” Business & Government solutions), which is why what we most immediately need is a comprehensive “new” strategy that implements all our various socioeconomic demands at the same time, regardless of party, and although I'm all in favor of taking down today's ineffective and inefficient Top 10% Management System of Business & Government, there's only one way to do it – by fighting bankers as bankers ourselves; that is, using a Focused Direct Democracy organized according to our current Occupations & Generations. Consequently, I have posted a 1-page Summary of the Strategically Weighted Policies, Organizational Operating Structures, and Tactical Investment Procedures necessary to do this at:
http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/on_strategic_legal_policy_organizational_operational_structures_tactical_investment_procedures
Join
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/
because we need 100,000 “support clicks” at AmericansElect.org to support a Presidential Candidate -- such as any given political opportunist you'd like to draft -- in support of the above bank-focused platform.
Most importantly, remember, as cited in the first link above, that as Bank Owner-Voters in your 1 of 48 "new" Business Investment Groups (or "new" Congressional Committees) you become the "new" Congress replacing the "old" Congress according to your current Occupation & Generation, called a Focused Direct Democracy.
Therefore, any Candidate (or Leader) therein, regardless of party, is a straw man, a puppet; it's the STRATEGY – the sequence of steps – that the people organize themselves under, in Military Internet Formation of their Individual Purchasing & Group Investment Power, that's important. In this, sequence is key.
Why? Because there are Natural Social Laws – in mathematical sequence – that are just like Natural Physical Laws, such as the Law of Gravity. You must follow those Natural Social Laws or the result will be Injustice, War, etc.
The FIRST step in Natural Social Law is to CONTROL the Banks as Bank Owner-Voters. If you do not, you will inevitably be UNJUSTLY EXPLOITED by the Top 10% Management Group of Business & Government who have a Legitimate Profit Motive, just like you, to do so.
Consequently, you have no choice but to become Candidates (or Leaders) yourselves as Bank Owner-Voters according to your current Occupation & Generation.
So please JOIN the 2nd link so we can make our support clicks at AmericansElect.org when called for, at exactly the right time, by an e-mail from that group, in support of the above the bank-focused platform in the 1st link. If so, then you will see and feel how your goals can be accomplished within the above strategy as a “new” Candidate (or Leader) of your Occupation & Generation.