Forum Post: Why government reform?
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 18, 2011, 2:06 a.m. EST by TheTable
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In order to get what we want we need to go to the government and tell them what we want, this is a democracy, we the people have the right to make our own laws and get what the population want.
If we go to the government and say “WE AS THE MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION WANT THIS…..” what will the government do? Disagree with us? No they should and HAVE to work with us because if they don’t then we’ll really have a problem.
I know right now the topic is to bring down the "Banking giants" but there are better ways to do that and get what we want, and I believe that way is through government reformation!
Fall of Capitalism/Secularism PREPARATION AND IMPLEMENTATION OF ECONOMIC MODEL As the capitalist, acting as promoter/administrator, invests a minimal/nominal amount of his own in the business (obtaining major funding at concessional interest rates) but is entitled to retain full profit and be liable, in the case of loss, only to the extent of his share holding, the underlying system is inherently oppressive and unjust. It is, therefore, time to introduce a new ECONOMIC MODEL for replacing the secular codes of capitalism which, due to its irrational structure, stands grounded since the very beginning of the 21st century.
The banks secure deposits from the general public against promise to pay interest at fixed rates without guaranteeing the face value of the pertinent currency prevailing in the international market at the time the money was deposited. In case, therefore, of devaluation of currency, the depositors lose the net worth of their deposits to the extent of devaluation. As happened with the US $, while 87 cents of a $ were equal to one Euro in 2001, $ 1.4925 is equal to one Euro today. Practically, thus the $ has lost 58.29% of original worth. All this is a result of credit based economy and loan based investment.
As far as the war on terror is concerned, its real cost has been passed on to the countries with US Dollar - based reserves or currencies but, interestingly, the currencies of most European NATO members were, in the year 2000, delinked from the Dollar by floating the Euro as a common EU currency.
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If you want change tell the government. Tell them what is wrong and have them change it. If the majority of the people want change and reform then tell them that! We are on the same team! Reasoning is the key here.
Don't fall for this psychological crap from any one percent goon. It's an obvious attempt to divert our attention from the obscene, unjust, immoral, and illogical concentration of wealth. Donald Trump went on record the other day telling us to blame the government instead of Wall Street and the richest one percent. Don't fall for it. Just keep protesting no matter what the one percent goons say or do. Our message is vital. Below is my two cents:
We have been mislead by Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama, and nearly every other public figure. Economic growth, job creation, and actual prosperity are not necessarily a package deal. In fact, the first two are horribly misunderstood. Economic growth/loss (GDP) is little more than a measure of wealth changing hands. A transfer of currency from one party to another. The rate at which it is traded. This was up until mid ’07′ however, has never been a measure of actual prosperity. Neither has job creation. The phrase itself has been thrown around so often, and in such a generic political manner, that it has come to mean nothing. Of course, we need to have certain things done for the benefit of society as a whole. We need farmers, builders, manufacturers, transporters, teachers, cops, firefighters, soldiers, mechanics, sanitation workers, doctors, managers, and visionaries. Their work is vital. I’ll even go out on a limb and say that we need politicians, attorneys, bankers, investors, and entertainers. In order to keep them productive, we must provide reasonable incentives. We need to compensate each by a fair measure for their actual contributions to society. We need to provide a reasonable scale of income opportunity for every independent adult, every provider, and share responsibility for those who have a legitimate need for aid. In order to achieve and sustain this, we must also address the cost of living and the distribution of wealth. Here, we have failed miserably. The majority have already lost their home equity, their financial security, and their relative buying power. The middle class have actually lost much of their ability to make ends meet, re-pay loans, pay taxes, and support their own economy. The lower class have gone nearly bankrupt. In all, its a multi-trillion dollar loss taken over about 30 years. Millions are under the impression that we need to create more jobs simply to provide more opportunity. as if that would solve the problem. It won’t. Not by a longshot. Jobs don’t necessarily create wealth. In fact, they almost never do. For the mostpart, they only transfer wealth from one party to another. A gain here. A loss there. Appreciation in one community. Depreciation in another. In order to create net wealth, you must harvest a new resource or make more efficient use of one. Either way you must have a reliable and ethical system in place to distribute that newly created wealth in order to benefit society as a whole and prevent a lagging downside. The ‘free market’ just doesn’t cut it. Its a farce. Many of the jobs created are nothing but filler. The promises empty. Sure, unemployment reached an all-time low under Bush. GDP reached an all-time high. But those are both shallow and misleading indicators. In order to gauge actual prosperity, you must consider the economy in human terms. As of ’08′ the average American was working more hours than the previous generation with far less equity to show for it. Consumer debt, forclosure, and bankruptcy were also at all-time highs. As of ’08′, every major American city was riddled with depressed communities, neglected neighborhoods, failing infrastructures, lost revenue, and gang activity. All of this has coincided with massive economic growth and job creation. Meanwhile, the rich have been getting richer and richer and richer even after taxes. Our nation’s wealth has been concentrated. Again, this represents a multi-trillion dollar loss taken by the majority. Its an absolute deal breaker. Bottom line: With or without economic growth or job creation, you must have a system in place to prevent too much wealth from being concentrated at the top. Unfortunately, we don’t. Our economy has become nothing but a giant game of Monopoly. The richest one percent already own nearly 1/2 of all United States wealth. More than double their share before Reagan took office. Still, they want more. They absolutely will not stop. Now, our society as a whole is in serious jeapordy. Greed kills.
So im a goon? Do you not understand what I am saying here? Yes what you are doing is right but is it effective? somewhat. Do you know what would be more effective? if you exercise your rights. If you change the government and change what you do not like then the government will have no choice but to work with the population. You have to understand that there are different views and there are different ways to solve this problem and some are better ways than other. Did Martin Luther King jr protest against racist? NO! he protest against the government did he meet his goal? Next time when you try to argue make sure you just don't copy and paste what you said.
I read every word. But the occupy movement has been primarily about Wall Street and the obscene concentration of wealth from the very start. There is obviously an organized attempt to divert our attention away from those primary issues. When a dozen new submissions show up in 20 minutes with no mention whatsoever of those primary issues, I start sniffing for one percent club rat. Yes. I'm an individual and I have a very wide attention span. But nothing in this world will divert my attention or my primary focus. Nothing.
So you're telling me that you think that I am a "one percent club rat?" If you are so open minded why don't you stop for a second and think about what I am trying to say. Sure you read the whole thing but did you understand my concept? If you are protesting against the 1% right now you are wrong, do you know many people are 1%. Do the math, there are 307,006,550 people in the united states do you know many people is 1%?
Realize this if we go to the government and ask/ make them go with what we want because they do not have a choice the problem will be solved. I am here for the same reason as you are. I am just proposing a new tactic in this situation. You can scream all you want against your 1% or do it right by getting the government involve in here and have them on the same team. So Mr/Ms. "Openminded" do you understand what this "Club rat" is trying to say here? or are you to ignorant to see other views?
Of course, I've done the math. I've been on this cause for a while. You're damn right I'm pissed off at the richest one percent. I'm pissed off at our leaders also but like I said, nothing. I mean NOTHING will excuse the Wall Street pigs or the richest one percent. Not in my book. NOTHING.
If you really want them to go down then help out and complain to the government because like I said in order to get what we want we need to get the government involve and tell them what we want to happen not just scream outside a building. Change the government because screaming outside of a building is childish.
We don't have a lobbyist. Therefore, our best shot at being heard is to show up in groups and draw as much attention as possible without resorting to violence. No screaming outside those buildings is not childish. Not if your message is sincere and your cause just.
If you go outside government buildings they will have to listen to us. the banking giants doesnt/ wont listen to us!
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what else do you want to know? It's a simple concept. in order to get what we want we need to change the government. We need the government to be in our side and help us balance the wealth. You wouldnt be able to do much if you scream at the "banking giants" because honestly they could care less while they are eating their fancy food and living in their mansions. The has more power than the "banking giants"