Forum Post: Why don't you run?
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 16, 2011, 11:56 p.m. EST by ConfusedSceptic
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A high percentage of the people here that I've seen feel that those with money have the ability to buy the votes they want in the government. They say that they represent 99% of America, tired of the way things are done.
Just out of curiosity, why don't you use the system already in place? If you don't want corruption in our elected representatives, why don't you get out there and run for office? Don't you believe that people running on an anti-corruption platform would win? If you really represent 99% of America, then there's no way in the world you can lose the race, so why don't you try, instead of going around demanding that those same "corrupt politicians" that you have so much beef against change it for you?
NO!!! This cannot be about politics, this is much bigger than that. Politics is half the problem and the corporate world is the other half. The movement has already been labeled as "The left's answer to the Tea Party" so if you enter into politics you only continue to divide this nation instead of uniting it. Also, how long before an "Occupy" party gets corrupted by this messed up system?
The goal should be to get more people on the Right to recognize that this movement is about them too. We must support the movement and allow it to continue to evolve. The proper solutions will come. It's taken centuries for the Economic Beast to attain this level of power. It's not going to be defeated overnight. We must be patient and learn to fight the battle on our terms, not theirs.
The elections are rigged. Of the last 4 Presidents (counting o(b/s)ama), 3 are CIA and Clinton had so much dirt he could never do anything...
Just like the tea party resulted in candidates on ballots and moving the political debate, i would hope this movement does too. The entrenched interests, represented by the status quo, have to be unseated.
Exactly, let's start the war against Injustice by starting our own banks to double our income, for many more people will come to your side when you are proactive (for “new” Business & Government solutions), instead of reactive (against “old” Business & Government solutions), which is why what we most immediately need is a comprehensive “new” strategy that implements all our various socioeconomic demands at the same time, regardless of party, and although I'm all in favor of taking down today's ineffective and inefficient Top 10% Management System of Business & Government, there's only one way to do it – by fighting bankers as bankers ourselves, and thus doubling your income from Bank Profits which are 40% of all Corporate Profits; that is, using a Focused Direct Democracy organized according to our current Occupations & Generations. Consequently, I have posted a 1-page Summary of the Strategically Weighted Policies, Organizational Operating Structures, and Tactical Investment Procedures necessary to do this at:
http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/on_strategic_legal_policy_organizational_operational_structures_tactical_investment_procedures
Join
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/
because we need 100,000 “support clicks” at AmericansElect.org to support a Presidential Candidate -- such as any given political opportunist you'd like to draft -- in support of the above bank-focused platform.
Most importantly, remember, as cited in the first link, that as Bank Owner-Voters in your 1 of 48 "new" Business Investment Groups (or "new" Congressional Committees) you become the "new" Congress replacing the "old" Congress according to your current Occupation & Generation, called a Focused Direct Democracy.
Therefore, any Candidate (or Leader) therein, regardless of party, is a straw man, a puppet, just like today, for it's the STRATEGY – the sequence of steps – that the people organize themselves under, in Military Internet Formation of their Individual Purchasing & Group Investment Power, that's important. In this, sequence is key to doubling your income from Bank Interest Income.
Why? Because there are Natural Social Laws – in mathematical sequence – that are just like Natural Physical Laws, such as the Law of Gravity. You must follow those Natural Social Laws or the result will be Injustice, War, etc.
The FIRST step in Natural Social Law is to CONTROL the Banks as Bank Owner-Voters. If you do not, you will inevitably be UNJUSTLY EXPLOITED by the Top 10% Management Group of Business & Government who have a Legitimate Profit Motive, just like you, to do so.
Consequently, you have no choice but to become Candidates (or Leaders) yourselves as Bank Owner-Voters according to your current Occupation & Generation.
So please JOIN the 2nd link so we can make our support clicks at AmericansElect.org when called for, at exactly the right time, by an e-mail from that group, in support of the above the bank-focused platform. If so, then you will see and feel how your goals can be accomplished within the above strategy as a “new” Candidate (or Leader) of your current Occupation & Generation.
If you use a corrupt system to try to end corruption, you are probably going to be corrupted or just get so bummed out, you will have to quit. Of course the claim to represent 99% of the people is pure bullshit, in my humble opinion. I do not believe that you can name one issue or principle that 99% of the people in this country would agree with. And if they did, they would immediately admit to exceptions OR just flat out be lying. Hell, politicians lie all the time to get elected. This movement is great and well-intentioned but, of course, they need to get realistic at some point. I understand the desire to be all inclusive although I am totally puzzled by this 99% which was arrive at, apparently, by someone and it sounded good and so they have gone with it. By my estimates, that means about 3.2 million people, the highest income earners are not allowed in but everybody else is including anti-semites, Ron Paul supporters, Libertarians, Neo-Liberals, Neo-Cons, Creationists, Nazis and Flat-Earthers, etc. It's the top 1% who have been banished to the realm of Hell no matter if they support the key values, principles, or goals, or whatever. So, if George Soros wants to help out and give money, he can't.... so say some people in the movement. Of course, this seems preposterous and on another Posting, they seem to be gathering support for some of these 1% Satanic forces. So, I am getting really confused. Maybe, someone from the "GROUP" can help to clarify things for me. Oh, and I assume you have the proper credentials to do so...as I wouldn't want someone to accuse you of not being representative of the group, although I am not sure what a representative of a group which is so welcoming would actually mean. Can someone help me, Please!!!
I understand your obvious frustration as it appears that quite a few people here are confused. To me, the OWS movement directly goes along with what is discussed in this video but so many people here seem not to realize it so they are arguing about things that aren't going to have much impact ultimately---http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX1N3opw5eI
I think that if we can better understand the points made in the above video we'll be better able to find a focus and make a plan of action.
Whoa, too long for me but I happen to be a critical and independent thinker in any case. If you have some training in philosophy, logic, etc., then looking at things critically begins to occur almost second naturely. The logical point I was making was that the 99% motto, when critically evaluated, does not seem to make any sense. If the point is that 99% of the population excluding those under a certain age (?) are frustrated with things, that is not even true. It would seem that most people most probably do not even think about most of this. As someone who has been interested in politics, philosophy, history, etc for over 40 years, I can say that, having had hundreds and thousands and maybe tens of thousands of conversations, you come to realize that most people do not know what they are talking about. It is the old Socratic idea to break down what people are saying to reveal that they have not thought about a subject very deeply at all. My point here is that it would be better to get some set of principles and values around which we might suppose a fairly vast majority of people would agree. Say, off the top of my head, somewhere in the neighborhood of 60-75%, the upper reaches of which I imagine would still be difficult. For example, one person who responded to me implied that the OWS group (not even sure what this means of course as no one seems to have membership and for all I know, FBI agents are voting or wiggling their fingers up in the air which seems a bit airy-fairy stupid to me but what do I know?) can not be supported by any corporation and even a 1% although I can not tell if he was a bonified spokesperson for the group or just hated any corporation (including ones formed by micro-businesses whose profit is a measly $30,000 per year.....they do exist y'know). Apparently, this same person again implied that George Soros money was not welcome. Again, since this person lives in Alameda I think, I am not sure what authority he has.
I have seen this phenomenon before in Green Party Politics where consensus was once active and nothing go move forward unless everyone agreed or until consensus was reached. I always pointed out that I sure hoped there were no any infiltrators in the group who just constantly disagreed. Also, the nature of these discussions would then degenerate as those people who might not agree would yet not voice an objection since they did not want to be seen as differing from the near consensus (you get my point, right?). Again, this person accused me of rejecting Libertarians, Neo-Liberals and LIbertarians out of hand and implied I am a socialist (which I probably am, more or less, although upon critical review, this label might not fit either). So, just to make the point if you are still reading, if we are to welcome with open arms all those of conservative ilk as long as they are not part of the 1%, I am just wondering what principles and values WE stand for. Some of the list of reforms that people have attempted to put together seem to be Progressive in nature and not at all something conservatives would agree to. The bottom line is that you have to hate the 1% apparently (hate is too strong a word but you get my point of course). The 1% boils down to about 3.25 or so million souls who are apparently damned to hell because the one criteria of overwhelming importance seems to be earned income although i have not idea how this is determined. I mean, are we going to review tax returns? And so it goes. At some point, some organization, structure and leadership might be nice, that is, if the group every wants to become really serious but that's just my opinion if anyone is thinking that I am speaking for God or some other entity. Nope, just me. So, I advocate for organization, structure and leadership and a shared program of some kind but maybe I am just too old-fashioned and the youngsters and idealists have a new way. Hopefully, just hopefully, it does not involve contacting the Pleiadeans.
I definitely get your point and can agree with what you're saying. At this point I am trying to be open-minded and flexible because I think that's what's necessary for true positive change. And labeling myself as one thing or another would just be limiting to that progress, I feel. I think that we all need to get away from party ideology and get to the real root of the issues and find common ground with what we really want. But that will take all of us rethinking what we think we know, getting logical instead of emotional, and asking ourselves what our true values are. I'm not convinced that the demands I've seen so far really get close enough to fixing things for the long term. But perhaps some have validity for the short term... And I certainly don't hate the 1%, I think that the way people behave is because of their circumstances and unfortunately the circumstances have really supported corruption and other negative behaviors for far too long. I don't believe that people are evil, I think they do what they can to survive and protect themselves and sometimes those things are not advantageous to others.
I know the video is a longer one but if you do have an interest in logic, history, politics, etc. then you will find it interesting. It's my opinion that if we want some sort of leader, someone like this guy might be a good bet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX1N3opw5eI
I have suggested some very basic reforms as a starting point:
1) Reform the Financial System (Wall Street and Bank Practices), others have detailed this on this site 2) Reform the Tax system (the wealthy pay more and we instituted more taxes to raise revenues...e.g. luxury, what are called sin taxes (alcohol, cigarettes, gambling) legalize Marijuana and tax it and other reforms 3) Reform Electoral System (I have put forth a Voting Bill of Rights which includes Public Financing of Federal Elections with no private money or advertising; Voting on Sundays; Paper trail on electronic balloting, and others) 4) Reform Legislative process to get rid of most egregious abuses such as the filibuster as well as others
These are general reforms that I think would have massive popular support without too much disagreement. Other things that people argue for and which we could include : Using tax money for Jobs (infrastructure, retraining and education. etc.). These five would deal with fundamental problems the nation faces immediately and they attempt to redress the worse deficiencies and abuses. The details could be worked out. There may be others but it is a starting point.