Forum Post: Why don't you guys put your energy into trying to achieve in a positive way, instead of wasting time complaining?
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 6, 2011, 7:29 p.m. EST by MissBirdy
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You guys need to sharpen whatever skills you have and get out there and compete. It's not productive to be so negative and to so quickly find fault. Too much bitterness, hatred and envy are being displayed by the Occupy Wall Street supporters. More government help & involvement is not the answer to your problems. Look within.
I don't get any of this. Most folks I know are middle class with jobs. We live normal lives. Millions of us have jobs. Check out the LA area interstate 5 and 405 freeways every weekday morning. It is gridlock!!! Everyday! Folks are going to work! Remember folks in America are working. Even in the best Clinton years unemployment was about 5% give or take a bit. That means unemployment is really at only 5%. give or take a bit. In any given year, 5% of folks in America just will not work. You will always have the dirtbags. Always.
Thank you
That would require effort and skills.
Yes and honesty, perseverance, and integrity. Dont give up. fight the good fight.
The best way to do what you suggest would be to go to California and put campaign finance reform, lobbying reform, and a version of Glass-Steagall written for banks operating in California, on the ballot as referenda.
might work.,,,,.Although the barrier between commercial and investment banking aimed to prevent a loss of deposits in the event of investment failures, the reasons for the repeal of the GSA and the establishment of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act show that even regulatory attempts for safety can have adverse effects.
There wasn't much of a good reason for Gramm-Leach-Bliley in the first place other than the banks getting big for their britches. Ideally Glass-Steagall would cut them back down to size.
Obama is not the man to advance these ideas.we need a real conservative leader. Conservative with our $$$
Your empire is being divested of its wealth, because your individualist society is not producing the results that Communists produce. What good is your individualism? The Chinese practice relationship networking and working together cohesively. They are the future and you are the past. You can bring back investment in the USA, with your wonderful do it yourself attitude? Over 30 years of Neo Liberal Ron Reagan bullsh-t led to the fall of the USA. The OWS movement should think more in terms of what makes the Chinese the future and you the past. Here is a hint, are the Chinese asking their MBAs to start mom and pop shops?
See, the only response anyone can give to truth tellers like this sounds far out and radical.
Thanks Rex. Good to know there are some thoughtful people out there. Most liberals and the ows types are foaming at the mouth mental cases.
If they only knew how many of us are against this display.
I think they know. They welcome opposition it fuels their satisfaction & needs to destroy and create chaos.
I wonder what happens when it becomes too old for people to even care anymore.
they might lose enthusiasm when the temp's really drop and the snow & rain come.
Individualism is necessary to live. Communism is anti-human being, anti-iniative, anti-God.
I have news for you, Communism is creating jobs for Chinese MBAs, where is my business career, in your American individualist paradise? The Communists are the future, because the Neo Liberals and Globalists sold me and my generation out. Still, Communism is the future, if you and your individualists don't get out of the way and let this country succeed. That is a fact Miss Birdy. Otherwise, I hope you like Communism, since it won't take a rocket scientist to figure out that China will promote a Pro China Communist Party, in the bankrupt future USA and that such a party will start winning elections.
Use your brain and figure that out yourself. Stop asking useless rhetorical questions. Learn to speak Chinese...and go to China. Then see how you like it there.
If I was in China and I knew high level political families, in the Chinese Communist Party, as I know the family members of a few members of our US Congress, I would have a great career in China. If you suggest otherwise, you need to use your brain. MBAs are demanded in China, not in the USA. Your Neo Liberal rant about evil in Communism is all well and good, but I would take being a Chinese MBA, in China, over being a Russian or an American. What did individualism bring to Russia? They don't have the resources to make babies and they have undisciplined fool organizations, like Voina, where women stick chickens in their vaginas to make political statements.
A far cry from the high art encouraged under Communism, such as the Bolshoi Theater! The Russian culture is weak, decadent and sick, just like this country. Individualism? What this country practices is sociopath! Your so called individualism is a f-cking cancer, that is kiling the spirit, the jobs and the dreams of this country. Sociopaths are individualists! Maybe we should put a serial killer in the White House?
I am not a high school drop out, I am an MBA. I should be at Harvard, going for a D.B.A. I should have years of my career, under my belt and have a family. Instead I have you prattling on about a economic pseudo religious cult, called Neo Liberalism, that destroyed the USA and left Russians sticking chickens in their private parts! Please start using your brain. The Communist State, working cohesively with the highly educated citizens to ensure the success of society, in a Capitalist system, triumphs over the individualistic idiocy of Neo Liberalism. This is why China and not Russia or the USA, will be the future.
"Compete"..so I can continue the monkey minded stupidity..No thanks!
Everyone has to compete. . It's part of life. how do you plan to avoid it? by having the government stamp a number on you and put you somewhere?
I'm rich already..I don't like competition and spend money to stamp it out before you even know it exists. I am capitalism.
capitalism and competition are inseparable.
The type of Crony Capitalism we have now ensures that certain areas of our economy have little competition. Monopolistic power tries to prevent competition...
Competition is a Sin - John D. Rockefeller http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johndrock164132.html
fine. continue to collect welfare. drop out...give up. You are afraid of competition.
No..you a-holes expect someone to fly a plane without a plane..No one is giving up they are just creating a system outside your system for which YOU will be forced to compete...
how about this MissBirdy, at least it's a good start:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/its-time-for-a-million-people-march-to-capitol-hil/
Thoughts?
Although the barrier between commercial and investment banking aimed to prevent a loss of deposits in the event of investment failures, the reasons for the repeal of the GSA and the establishment of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act show that even regulatory attempts for safety can have adverse effects.
Agreed, so perhaps you would consider our group's proposal of an alternative online direct democracy of government and business at http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/strategically_weighted_policies_organizational_operating_structures_tactical_investment_procedures_as_of_11_6_2011 , for this is a small-business-bottom-up approach, not today's big-business-top-down approach, so if agreed, join our group's 20 members committed to that plan at http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/
A positive idea - avoid the competition with thirty years of billionaires
There are a huge number of great COMPLICATED ideas that will garner GREAT OPPOSITION. In an ideal country full of great idealistic philosophers, these would be easy to implement. We need to be realistic & pick an issue that is simple - that is popular -
that 83% of Americans agree on -
that 56% of TP agree on -
that will bring together the people in OWS with the people outside of OWS.
Everybody wins!
Our only goal should be to pass a constitutional amendment to counter Supreme Court decisions Citizens United (2010) & Buckley v. Valeo (1976), that enable unlimited amounts of anonymous money to flood into our political system.
“Corporations and organizations are not a persons & have no personhood rights”
and
“money is not free speech”.
We don’t have to explain or persuade people to accept our position – we have to persuade them to ACT based on their own position. Pursuing this goal will prove to the world that we, at OWS, are a serious realistic Movement, with serious realistic goals. Achieving this goal will make virtually every other goal – jobs, taxes, infrastructure, Medicare – much easier to achieve –
by disarming our greatest enemy – GREED.
THE SUCCESS STORY OF THE AMENDING PROCESS The Prohibition movement started as a disjointed effort by conservative teetotalers who thought the consumption of alcohol was immoral. They ransacked saloons and garnered press coverage here and there for a few years. Then they began to gain support from the liberals because many considered alcohol partially responsible for spousal and child abuse, among other social ills. This odd alliance, after many years of failing to influence change consistently across jurisdictions, decided to concentrate on one issue nationally—a constitutional amendment. They pressured all politicians on every level to sign a pledge to support the amendment. Any who did not, they defeated easily at the ballot box since they controlled a huge number of liberal, and conservative and independent swing votes in every election. By being a single-issue constituency attacking from all sides of the political spectrum, they very quickly amassed enough votes (2/3) to pass the amendment in Congress. And, within just 17 months, they were successful in getting ¾ of the state legislatures to ratify the constitutional amendment into law. (Others were ratified even faster: Eight —took less than a year. The 26th, granting 18-year-olds the right to vote, took just three months and eight days.)
If they could tie the left and right into a success -
WHY CAN'T WE??????????
I feel that we should stay with this simple text to overturn CU:
”corporations are not people” and “money is not free speech”
for four simple reasons and one – not so simple:
1
83% of Americans have already opposed CU in the ABC/Washington post poll and the above
IS THEIR POSITION ALREADY.
2
We don’t have to work to convince people on the validity of our position.
3
Simple is almost always better.
4
This simple Amendment is REQUIRED to overturn CU.
And all other electoral reform can be passed through the normal legislative process.
5
OWS and these pages are chock full of ( mostly ) excellent ideas to improve our country.
All of them have strong advocates – and some have strong opposition.
None of them has been “pre-approved” by 83% of Americans !
Pursuing this goal – without additional specifics is exactly what Americans want.
What do we want? Look at that almost endless list of demands – goals - aims.
Tax the rich. End the Fed. Jobs for all, Medicare for all. So easy to state! Can you imagine how hard it would be to formulate a “sales pitch” for any of these to convince your Republican friends to vote for any of them?
83% of Americans have ALREADY “voted” against CU. And 76% of the Rs did too.
All we have to do ask Americans is to pressure their representatives – by letters - emails – petitions.
Wanna take your family on vacation?
Convince the 7 year old and the 10 year old to go to Mt Rushmore.
Then try to convince them to go to Disneyland.
Prioritizing this goal will introduce us to the world – not as a bunch of hippie radical anarchist socialist commie rabblerousers – but as a responsible, mature movement that is fighting for what America wants.
I feel that using the tactics of the NRA, the AARP an the TP – who all represent a minority – who have successfully used their voting power to achieve their minority goals - plus the Prohibition Amendment tactics – bringing all sides together - is a straight path for us to success that cannot fail to enable us to create and complete one MAJORITY task.
Envy? We don't want to be, or be like the people who destroyed have American society (and much of the world as well) for profit.
More government help? What government help? Unless you are a major corporation or rich beyond belief, the government has hung you out to dry.
The OWS crowd supports Obama. That is tantamount to supporting bigger government....More big brother. This is evil.
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And who are the "ones" who have distorted democracy?
No, the problem is not enough consumer demand, even though there is a resume gap issue. Ultra low wages for the jobs we have now are at the core of the problem, they are unable to support sufficient spending in the economy to support growth (and more jobs for other people). The minimum wage needs to be increased to at least $10.
Good idea. you are thinking of reasonable solutions. Too many foaming at the mouth mental cases on display in NYC.
We're trying to end government involvement, due to it being corrupt.
End it by voting only for a FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE presidential candidate in 2012. That is the best solution in terms of appropriate leadership.
So Obama is the problem? It has nothing to do with Congress, or the millions of dollars corporations use to back and lobby candidates in return for better treatment than the rest of us?
Obama is making things worse. Open your eyes.
I never said he wasn't, just saying that he isn't the only one to blame.
correct
No anarchists allowed. Go to another country if you want to unleash anarchy.
Because this country is just wonderful, right?
No, you are not willing to work within our existing structure. You are making ridiculous, absolutist statements, (ie. end govt involvement)
The existing structure is broken and skewed so that the rich and powerful remain rich a powerful, and all of their buddies get rich and powerful.
Government employees should be paid minimum wage, or at least much less than they are already. There should be no benefit from serving the public other than serving the public itself. That's what the government is for.
word. totally correct regarding civil service jobs/govt worker unions.
has anyone heard fro ray4444? he missing..
Stop complaining about the complainers.
I agree. I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired of all the complainers always complaining about the complainers.
good point. you got me there.
Its okay. I get yours too.
Word up, Miss Birdy. These people fear competition and are hiding behind this so called OWS movement. There is a lot of insecurity and probable mental and emotional disorders on display, among the people I've seen interviewed on TV in NYC.
thanks queen..I agree with your observations. They need to get some of these people institutionalized.
Yeah. I think these gatherings are just attracting crazies with too much time on their hands....and also have a love of drama.
What attracted you?
Americans ignore the insanity and incompetence of the government
read more -- http://overthecoals.blogspot.com/
Let's begin with the budget and the squandering of trillions of dollars on more and more weapons. Only raving maniacs would create the American foreign policy and defense policy. Americans do it with a straight face as if they were sophisticated and educated people.
The economists and bankers in America have created policies that allow and promote wild gambling with derivatives that they claim are complex as if they worked. They worked to destroy the banking system and put 50,000,000 Americans out of work with the globalization policy that is nothing more than simple slavery of Chinese workers. That slavery is hidden behind the bogus claim that China's currency is too strong. If China allowed its currency to rise in value to the dollar, the US debt they own $1.137 trillion (the same as it was in August 2010) would be paid back with half of what they loaned.
The Chinese government isn't stupid. They aren't going to take half of what they loaned. The American people are completely uninformed nitwits who have no clue that the government they believe can't be voted out of office with a 3rd party, would be gone if they heard what SCREWED AGAIN is trying to publish for them.
The ignorance and incompetence of the American government is displayed by the liars that divert attention to 9/11 every day. The American people refuse to hear about and understand the evidence that proves clearly the 9/11 was a direct attack by Bush who was warned officially more than 40 times and chose to use the Al-Qaeda attack as a false flag for the incidents revealed by SCREWED AGAIN.
Are you the same Steve Miller who had the 70's band...and had the song about a joker?
I find all the drama extremely entertaining.