Forum Post: Why did OWS chose November 17th?
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 28, 2011, 5:08 a.m. EST by Tinhorn
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Is there any reason why that date was chosen to stage a protest? Does it have anything to do with the terrorist orgainization N-17 (or 17N depending on your personal preference)? Just curious if some in the group have an alterior motive or why you want to even link yourselves to this group.
That's disinfo bullshit. It was chosen because Nov 17 was the second month anniversary of the start of OWS. To think OWS is somehow related to a terrorist organization operating thirty-five years ago is ridiculous.
AdBusters purposely chose September the 17th as the start of Occupy so that November the 17th would match the name of the N-17 terror group. (Saya bercanda. Pasti mereka tidak pikir sejauh itu.)
That begs the question, why didn't they found it on Nov 17 instead of Sep 17? Do you have a link, I'd like to see that?
September 17th, 1775 – American Revolutionary War: The Invasion of Canada begins with the Siege of Fort St. Jean.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Fort_St._Jean
I'm Acadian. This is particularly hurtful for me.
(Saya bercanda. Pasti mereka tidak pikir sejauh itu.)
So you're saying Adbusters planned on the Zuccotti Park Occupy in commemoration of the Siege of Fort St. Jean and the Nov 17th action was a nod to the terrorist group N17? I don't know, Glaucon, that seems an even bigger stretch. Do you have anything from Adbusters to verify any of this? If I heard it from the horse's mouth, so to speak, I'd have to believe it. Otherwise, I'm still not convinced. And I have to ask, what's the translation for your statement in parentheses?
No. What I was trying to say is that connecting dates to passed events is meaningless unless there's solid proof that it was done intentionally. Our friend TinHorn read some conspiracy website and is now asking his question here for verification. It's absolutely ludicrous to think AdBusters would have thought that far ahead. They posted their idea of Occupy on July 14th. There's no way some guy was thinking "Hey, let's start it on September 17th so that two months later when we are big enough we can celebrate on November 17th!". They didn't even know if it was going to work at that time. 50 or so people showed up for the first meeting.
Pick any date you like, then check Wikipedia. You'll find all kinds of battles and wars to link to. It's a favorite tactic of conspiracy theorists. That's how they work. Take a look at the events for September 17th. There's a whole bunch of battles there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_17
BTW - I thought you would use Google to translate the Indonesian message I was leaving at the bottom of my others posts:
Seventeen.. Seventeen... that's... one year.. before the age of... consent.
...Consensus... ...consent... consensus... consen--!
OMFG! THEY'RE INDOCTRINATING THE CHILDREN!!!!
"Remember , remember, the Fifth of November..."
17 - 5 = 12
big eyebrows
12 hours on the clock... The mystical 12 around 1... Majestic 12...
V for Vendetta... V is the 22nd letter of the alphabet... 11+11=22
big eyebrows O.o
A-ha! I was going to use Google translator to do just that but was too damn lazy. Wow, that sure would've saved me a whole lot of trouble. Sorry 'bout that. And I did check wikipedia for both dates and was going to use some of those Sep 17 facts in my next rebuttal, like the signing of the Constitution in Philly, the Treaty of Fort Pitt, Camp David Accords. I must say, I do enjoy the interactions I've been having on this site. They've been enlightening, instructional, sometimes humbling, but always enjoyable. I'm going to pause my shenanigans for a moment, though, and install a Google translator button onto my toolbar next to the wikipedia button so I don't come off as being so blatantly monolingual from now on. ;-)
I fixed my link upstairs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_17
Ya, the whole date thing is majorly sketchy. You'll find "good" and "bad" events for each date of the year. Sorry, I toyed with you. I didn't get much sleep. I kind of get weird when I'm in a tired daze ;-)
My mistake actually. I've been meaning to place a Google translator button up top but keep procrastinating. I've needed it on this site before, for some Latin translations that one guy keeps using for instance.
I found the perfect retort: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Psi_Phi
Exactly 100 years ago, on November 17th, 1911, the first American African national fraternal organization was founded at a historically black college. Occupy must have used this date to symbolize the coming together of all people around the world. Once an important date for the liberation of African Americans, it has now become an important date for the liberation of all humans.
Great! Yeah, that must have been it. Yeah! LMAO!
It's not disingo bullshit, it was a legit question that I didn't know the answer to. As to your second statement, you can't say that the potential relationship between a group 35 years ago is ridiculous when most of the OWSers I have talked to are very quick to reference revolutionarys from hundreds of years ago.
I didn't mean you were spreading disinfo. I meant someone else must have told you that. And as to YOUR second statement, I doubt that MOST OWSers have been quick to reference prior revolutionaries, although I don't doubt some have. That shouldn't come as a surprise though since many of us believe this is a revolution albeit a non-violent one. I just think it's a stretch to think it is related to that particular group. And even if it was I don't think you need to worry. Violence is not an option.
Because it coincided with a labor union rally in support of bridge maintenance workers which subsequently took on the "OWS brand" and also coincided with the 2 month anniversary of the start of the occupation.
You may be slightly confused there......
Nope not at all. N-17 was created by Greek students againt the greek government. This movement is touting it's creation and sustainment on the youth in this country against the government. Sounds like a pretty similar thing to me. So the question is, did they pick that date for any other reason than just to pick a date or was there a tie to the Leftist movement N-17?
Well, if you think that's something, I got some info that should blow your mind:
http://www.orwelltoday.com/jfkcoincidences.shtml
Have fun.
Certainly not a conspiracy theory, just a question that I didn't know the answer to. That is why is was put as a question and not a statement. I will note that you were quick to discredit the question but not answer it.
Alright, the Occupy first started occupying Wall Street on 17th of September; so you're asking if they celebrated the two month (dubbed by some as the 'Day of Action' ) anniversary, to tip their hats to a deadly Greek Marxist group in the past called "N-17". . .
sigh, alright, I see that this is something Glenn Beck cooked up, and the far-Rightest websites ran with it.
Honestly man, I'm trying to take the questions seriously, I really am.
Do you really think people in the OWS crowd would purposely choose Nov 17th as a "day of action" to symbolically honor a terrorist cell from Greece?
Do you first of all think they'd be that dumb knowing the horrible PR they'd bring to the whole movement? And second of all, why would they honor an obscure little political-assassination squad ,when by all evidence this is a broadly peaceful movement with no intentions to be otherwise than broadly appealing to public reason and peacefulness?
It is disinformation propaganda, apologies for laughing about your confusion.
But the last part of your answer is the problem and the confusion. No one really understands what OWS is about. It started about pretty much the central topic of corruption of government and large corportations however, it has now turned into Occupy what ever seems to be bothering that individual person today. Also, I don't think that anyone can argue that there is an elliment of socialists and anti-capitalists that have infiltrated the group and by all accounts are begining to be more the mouth piece for it. Even here on these pages, you see more and more of it. OWS' downfall to date is not speaking out against these extreamists and allowing them to steal the stage away from the core OWS complaint. I always try to live by the saying "You encourage what you allow". If you allow this type of behavior and ideology in your group than you are encouraging it, am I wrong?
No movement is the sum of it's fringe. They aren't "stealing the stage" -- the Corporatist media complex is deliberately, strategically framing Occupy that way to try to confuse the majority. Btw: saying socialism is "extreamist" is patently ridiculous.
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