Forum Post: Who controls any country/
Posted 12 years ago on Feb. 6, 2012, 10:53 a.m. EST by Budcm
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Is there a country in the world that is NOT controlled by the rich and powerful?
Somalia is controlled by pirates but I guess when you think about it they are rich and powerful.
Columbia is controlled by drug lords but they are rich and powerful.
North Korea is controlled by the communist government but they are rich and powerful as well.
So I guess you have a good point.
Thank you. I would REALLY like it if there was a [such a gov't out there or If someone could find a better way than the US to govern, but I'm not sure there is a better way.
The globalist ruling elite (0.1%)
cuba, venezuela
Actually Cuba is moving away from communism. They are considering a law to allow citizens to buy real estate. This would end more than 40 years of the government owning all property.
I am pretty sure that with all the oil Venezuela produces that it's rulers are extremely wealthy.
pretty sure??? - it is easy to find out - it's rich rulers are now whining in miami - ruling the golf course if anything
I ask for a gov't NOT controlled by the rich and powerful and you give me Chavez and Castro. Shees!!
if you think they are rich you are poorly informed
Go away Marxist shit. Take your lies somewhere else.
Your example may be 50% correct, but please don't include these two as examples as control through the absence of "power".
Two of the biggest bullies on the planet does not really provide a good example of the lack of power.
The rich thing remains to be seen. However, I doubt that any riches are missing from either's pocket.
Bullies? What because of all those cuban and venezuelan military bases and warships imposing their economics on the world right? Oh you must be talking about the sanctions they force on to poor developing countries. Give me a fuckin break.
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you are showing your ignorance - bullies? which countries - the cubans send doctors all over the world and are loved for it! the rich cubans are in miami hanging with the rich venezeulans. you know very little about fidel or hugo and their money - do some research!
you are really short a chip pal. Cuba sends their doctors to Venezeula in exchange for oil. Well known fact:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/3342229/Doctors-for-oil-international-trade-Cuban-style.html It also sends doctors to other countries in exchange for cash. One of the WORST cases of human trafficking in the world. Wake up and REALLY occupy a seat in the classroom.
and so??? a nice exchange for all don't you think - no banks involved - comparative advantage - you are a good capitalist no? and you say this -One of the WORST cases of human trafficking in the world. - if i am a chip short - then you are looking for your first - and it isn't under that lamp post - look some where else! yea, i know it's dark but .......
If you like Cuba nad Venzuela so much, then move there. Let's see how long you would last.
they have no idea do they?? they are going to love living in Cuba.
That is like saying if you don't think like me and share my opinions get out of my country. How fascist and nationalistic of you.
not at all, but if you think that those countries are better, then move. The US as founded on liberty and moral values, both of which Cuba and Venezuela don't expound. You obviously don't believe in these American ideals.
Hahahaha. Moral values? Our economy is based on coveting others and usury. If the US was moral our way of life would come to a halt. Liberty? We have 5% of the world's population and 25% of it's prisoners.
The US constitution protects my right to believe whatever I want. That is the only American ideal I recognize and you are saying if I don't agree with you than I should leave. Sounds to me like you want to live in a country where everyone thinks inside your tiny cramped box. Sounds to me like you are the one that doesn't believe in the ideals of this country.
You can believe whatever you want but if you think that Cuba is a better place to live, then move. This country is the most moral country on the globe. we work hard to provide for our families... well some of us work hard.
another brilliant response! that is what the old timers told me when i said i didn't want to go to vietnam - you come from a fine tradition - old, stupid and bitter men
I see your replies all over this board, I wouldn't call me stupid and bitter - old yes.
just saying you make comments like the old men of 1969! where were you then - which side were you on then. go live there - what a dumb comment. stupid - if not bitter then really stupid since you have no excuse
You are the saying that Cuba and Venezuela are legitimate an compassionate regimes.
i am saying that they treat their people better than most - cuba put an end to the south african apartheid gov't and has helped people all around the world. if you ask an average person in haiti (our great friend!) if they would like to live like the average person in cuba they would run there! chavez has transformed his country and has helped the poor greatly - even sent heating oil to the poor in the usa. do some research and get back to me
Cuba had put its people into poverty die to its adherence to a communistic totalatarian regime. Yeah, most people are trying to get into Cuba that's why they get on boats and risk their lives to try to get to Florida. Did you forget about that.
compare cuba and haiti you moron - and comment on south africa and cuban doctors or don't you know anything about that!
So thousands of people flee the country and you focus on a bunch of hack doctord
you are stupid - haiti and south africa?? go away
I know a lot more about human nature that you might expect. Yeah, I serve staffing needs of two very large hospitals in this area - evidently we are not yet part of "all over the world" that you make reference to in the distrubution of Cuban doctors.
And for your information, my "ignorance" IS NOT your "intelliegence".
aw silly boy...you just don't have anything to trade fidel for his doctors...since we have a ban on imports and exports from Cuba you are not going to be able to get any Cuban doctors. sorry :(.
Actually Americans can travel to Cuba through Canada or Mexico and be treated by their doctors. Sorry.
Acutally if an American travels to Cuba the are fucked getting back in the US because if your passport gets stamped in Cuba ..and they will smile and say they will not stamp it as the hit it with the stamp as hard as they can and smile....you are going to have some questions to answer
No they don't stamp your passport in Cuba. They are not dicks about Americans traveling there. If you go to Cuba and back through Mexico and you give the immigration people a small bribe they won't double stamp your passport. Then it just looks like you went to Mexico. This is more common than you would think.
just don't go back through Canada because that did not work so well.
I believe it is possible. It just might be inconvenient.
The US isn't worried so much about citizens getting to go to Cuba. It is more about spending money there. People can get a licence to go for educational or religious purposes and freelance journalism and things like that fairly easily.
NO they are pretty ugly about it if you do not have a license. and...if you go for freelance journalism you get screwed at the other end. You are watched. Someone already did that stupid move. At any rate it wasn't worth the trip. dump!
Oh did you did you do this? I can imagine if you go for journalistic purposes they would keep an eye on you while there.
Not sorry - more like "goodie".
answer the question - bullying which countries? nobody is talking about human nature so what you think you know about it has nothing to do with the conversation! you are right about one thing - your ignorance is yours alone - cuba offered aid to the us during katrina but the shrub refused - read this moron - In 2007, "Cuba has 42,000 workers in international collaborations in 103 different countries, of whom more than 30,000 are health personnel, including no fewer than 19,000 physicians."[2] Cuba provides more medical personnel to the developing world than all the G8 countries combined,[2]
flip you are an idiot. cuba provides these people in exchange for payments which are made directly to the government of CUBA. Cuba also makes drugs (medical not illegal) and exports so many of them the people in cuba can not even buy asprin.
go to another country and try to sell that shit - they will (correctly) wonder what is going on in the land of the free and home of the brave
I did not make any reference to "bullying..countries" You are simply reading your mind into a few black characters on your screen. You need to get over your idea that calling names somehow makes me believe, fear, or respect you.
So you don't like me - big deal. Seems like quite an example of discrimination to go so far in a putdown of an "ignorant...moron" You must be so proud.
i thought you wrote this - Two of the biggest bullies on the planet does not really provide a good example of the lack of power. - and who are they bullying? now say something smart about cuban doctors!
something smart and clean...ummm if they defect their family gets shot, hows that? Umm Fidel also sends guards who try to make sure this does not happen..
I would suggest, their own people. How is that. If you don't think so, you might want to move to a small island with no way to get off, to travel or to be totally dependent on another human being for everything that you are or have.
wow - are you misinformed - or maybe stupid i can't tell which - their own people - what was chavez share of the vote last election?? well he has abused the rich in his country that is for sure - and those white asses should be abused - poor little boys on the golf course. how many elections you moron? the name elian gonzalez come to mind - his father was offered millions to stay buy those rich miami cubans and went home to cuba. look to our allies for human rights abuse - egypt, saudi, uzbekistsan - or how about the israelis - nice guys don't you think - maybe bahrain - should we send them more weapons. you know nothing! take your own country - plundering the world - bullies - you fool - take your bottle of milk and go watch glen beck
You can imagine what I would RATHER do with my bottle of milk ,can you not??
Your hate really doesn't bother me at all. You see, I have a freedom that you don't and that you can call stupid, moron or whatever, you do not offend me in the least. As I stated above, I have a petty good background in human nature so I know you better than you know yourself.
you may have a background in human nature but you for sure do not understand the world
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We have to render the so called power obsolete that is give it to the people.
In a word NO
Country is any political entity where people are controlled some(1%) use money while as some use other means usually mixed means to control masses.
I guess I missed your point. There's 192 countries in the world. Which one do you like?
All countries are evolving but you bear the torch of world revolution.
I guess when you ask a stupid question you must expect a stupid answer.
What I mean is that humanity is evolving culturally continuously.
Of course it is..mentally..physically...the whole ball of wax. My point is that opur own evolution is beyond our control..even culturally. In the long run, of course.
But that is not going to affect us rather we are creating history by challenging the capitalism which is should have been obsolete by the end of the twentieth century.
I like mine. Some say love it or leave it .I prefer change it or lose it.
Yes! Uruguay!!!!
Just asking! Any others? One out of 192 isn't that good of an average. I really don't know anything about Uruguay.
Anuta Island: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45bzybQT8wM
Uhmm anyone in control of a country.. is by definition rich and powerful.. And every country IS controlled by someone... hrmmm a poor dictator... a poor warlord... a poor hoohum in west africa getting cash from columbian drug lords.. nope.. all richa nd powerful i think...
To Create a Better World
"To Create a Better World". The other day I asked If anyone knew of any country in the world that was NOT controlled by the rich/powerful. I only had two that were offered---Cuba and Argentina. I think they may have misunderstood the question.
One offered something about creating a better world. For your information, man did NOT create the world. Mother Nature did. (Or God, whichever you prefer.)
Man answers only to millions of years of evolution. (Or creation. whichever you prefer.) How man faces his existence is out of his hands entirely. How he reacts to stimuli has been written in his genes. He may not like it, but he hardly has a choice. Blaming him is like blaming a compass for pointing north.
Man has risen to the top of the food chain for good reason. He has bested every competitor for the role. Were that not so he would have disappeared from the earth long ago.
To make an egotistical statement such as "creating a better world" is tantamount to disregarding those millions of years of evolution. It is better to understand what man IS rather than complain about what YOU would LIKE him to be. To understand why man acts as he does would gain us sufficient knowledge to at least get along with one another. But then, maybe that is what man is? Perhaps we are not MEANT to bet along with one another.
If you see another jump off say the Golden Gate Bridge, would you jump too? Because ten people, a hundred, a thousand, a million, ten million or even a hundred million people believe something doesn't make it true and/or right.
How long was the earth believed to be flat? A trick question, who has the answer(s)?
I think I missed your point.
I think I may have mis-posted.... Damn mouse, running all over that damn place.... I think this was meant as a response to another post. I didn't mean to get you all excited... yet.
lol! I DID get a couple of more responses. Uruguay and some Island nation. Not sure if their style will catch on tho'!
Good, you have a sense of humor and that is a sign of intelligence and possibly a keen mind :-/
I think there are reasons for what you said like;
and so on. I also think the public has a poor view of a poor view of the education level and therefore understand that poor people have of the law and legalese, the language of lawyers. All of this is misguided and ignorant but I think it is the view of a large majority of people.
What most people don't know is that most legislators do not actually read the legislation. They have aids that do that and then have the aids explain the legislation to them. Any poor person is fully capable of this no matter their educational level.
Another point that should be made is that most legislation is bull wrapped in shit where the drafter used large words to obfuscate their meaning.
When you speak "WITH" a person you use words they can understand easily and relate to. The legislators do just this, but their conversation is meant to be with lawyers, not the public. Laws should be in plain and simple English so that person they are written for can easily understand them.
Most laws are written so that even two letter words included in them may have several different interpretations. Ask Bill Clinton. Perhaps there should be an addition to all laws. That would be an explanation of just what the INTENT of that law is. (In plain English, thank you!)
A lot of laws come with the background information, i.e. a preamble. I did not have sex with that woman.... George H. W. Bush I have more respect for than Clinton as far as the wat he treated his wife.
Clinton managed the economy better, but that doesn't mean I like the prick.
I am not a republican or a democrat, I am an informed realist.
Somewhat alike, we are! I'm a realistic anarchist. I really don't believe in any government at all, but I realize a lot of people have to be protected from others.
My best guess is Banks.
I didn't know there WAS a country named "Banks". Unless I missed your point.
Question was who Controls countries. Not what country controls...
My idea was off of Thomas Jefferson quote, "banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies." After the bailouts of banks and what banks did and are doing to the world my answer stands. Banks control countries. Study the history of banking and you will see that most wars are because of banks.
Sorry. I see you are responding to the initial caption and not to the question that followed. My bad!
Canada is not controlled by the rich and powerful. Canada has elected representatives voted in by the people . United States is also a democracy .. come to think of it there are many democracy's .. most of Europe is a democracy ..
wow - you do not understand history or this movement it seems
This movement is not telling the whole story with complete transparency.
that has nothing to do with what you said about democracy or my response
sure it does .. you implied I did not understand the movement .. I replied the movement was being biased.. and while I am at this I will add, the movement is trying to create a problem with the use of violence in the hopes they will than gain more support from Americans . I can see right through this puny movement.. It's just a contest to create the largest protest in the world .. it's not about solving issues .. they just want to become protestors .. it gives them a sense of purpose in their otherwise purposeless lives.
well... it does appear that you do not understand the movement ....
Oh, FriendlyObserverB understands to movement all too well. I've kept an eye on this persons posts for a while and I've come to the conclusion that they are a member of the 0.1% ruling elite that is trying to steer this movement in a direction that is more suitable for the ruling elite. Any time this person speaks of regular people, it is done with the snobby disdain of a spoiled brat who's never had to worry about anything remotely real their whole lives. Today I saw this person's post saying we should pack up and go home. Either clueless, or has an alternate agenda.
"the movement" is diverse - i will agree to that but the core is very clear to all who want to see. are you one of those or are you someone who would believe this nonsense (and it is nonsense) - Canada is not controlled by the rich and powerful. Canada has elected representatives voted in by the people . United States is also a democracy .. come to think of it there are many democracy's .. most of Europe is a democracy .. - either defend your stupid statement or back off from it or just go away
pardon me ?
ok i will
flip, don't let this movement pull the wool over your eyes. Yes ther is inequalities and unfairness .. let's discuss this .. but to say the rich and powerful are in control , thats exactly what they want you to think .. when in fact we the people have placed the representatives in power and we can replace them .. don't lose site of reality in all the BS being thrown around .. have a nice day
smell the coffee - here maybe this will help - If you go back to the record of the Constitutional Convention, which took place in 1787, almost immediately after the end of the war, you see that they are already moving in another direction. James Madison -- who was the main framer, and one of the founding fathers who was most libertarian -- makes it very clear that the new constitutional system must be designed so as to insure that the government will, in his words "protect the minority of the opulent against the majority" and bar the way to anything like agrarian reform. The determination was made that America could not allow functioning democracy, since people would use their political power to attack the wealth of the minority of the opulent. Therefore, Madison argues, the country should be placed in the hands of the wealthier set of men, as he put it.
QUESTION: Isn't that erection of barriers to democracy woven through the entire history of the United States?
CHOMSKY: It goes back to the writing of the Constitution. They were pretty explicit. Madison saw a "danger" in democracy that was quite real and he responded to it. In fact, the "problem" was noticed a long time earlier. It's clear in Aristotle's Politics, the sort of founding book of political theory -- which is a very careful and thoughtful analysis of the notion of democracy. Aristotle recognizes that, for him, that democracy had to be a welfare state; it had to use public revenues to insure lasting prosperity for all and to insure equality. That goes right through the Enlightenment. Madison recognized that, if the overwhelming majority is poor, and if the democracy is a functioning one, then they'll use their electoral power to serve their own interest rather than the common good of all. Aristotle's solution was, "OK, eliminate poverty." Madison faced the same problem but his solution was the opposite: "Eliminate democracy."
QUESTION: Madison actually expected more of the rich, didn't he?
CHOMSKY: Madison was sort of pre-capitalist. He was a person of the Enlightenment, kind of like Adam Smith. And his picture of what the wealthy would do with their power was very different from what they did do. He thought they would be enlightened gentlemen, benevolent philosophers and so on. By the early 1790s, he was already very upset, and he was deploring the depravity of the times. He saw people becoming the tools and tyrants of government, as he put it. They were using state power for their own ends. That's not the way it was supposed to work. But the opposition had already been pushed back by then. Although there were radical democratic elements, they were pretty much marginalized pretty fast.
James Madison - was protecting his minority right to own slaves.
James Madison grew up in a slave-owning family and owned slaves all his life. In 1833 James Madison sold several of his farms but not his slaves. A year later he sold 16 slaves to a relative - with their permission.
He did not free his slaves in his will.
http://home.nas.com/lopresti/ps4.htm
wonderful man don't you think - like most of the ruling elite of that age and this
Interesting , and thank you.
Please consider this :
The power of the United States government had the power to write the constitution.. now thats power ! And with such power do you really believe the rich have more power than the government ? The rich can not write the constitution. Only elected officials have that kind of power .
Personally, direct democracy or representative democracy is far better than monarchy.
Interesting what madison had thought about enlightened philosophers and gentlemen and so on .. There were some major changes early on facing a brand new world with all the freedom and potential .. it must have been an exciting time , but difficult to draw up a constituion that would satisfy the dreams of liberty and freedom. From George Washington , through Madison and onto Jefferson ..and Lincoln .. we see Freedom and liberty being challenged and corrected ..
Flip, if the rich were truly in control as the poster suggests than my understanding of the American people/history is completly wrong.
The rich may have a strong influence over politics, but they are not in control.
The wealthy vet candidates before they throw their hats in the ring. They fund those candidates campaigns. They provide the winners with no show million dollar salaried jobs upon leaving office in return for favorable laws, The wealthy elite actually physically write legislation that impacts them. This country goes to war to protect their interests.
If that's not control, what is?
The wealthy have challenged successfully the Constitution and the Bill of Rights in the Courts and have gutted most of the Constitution. Now that is power.
$1 billion for obama to run for president - for a job that pays 400k - come on - money and power run washington - emma goldman said "if voting could change anything it would be illegal" - there is lots of good stuff written on the subject - if you like can point you to some of it.
Theoretically, you are correct. Realistically I doubt it. The study of overall history, however, shows that, except for short periods of time, the rich/powerful will mange to control.
The united states government spent 860 billion dollars creating a stimulus package. George bush wrote a cheque for $150 billion dollars as a gift to every American citizen. What the one percent have is chump change compared to the government. Now a nation with wealth like Saudi Arabia may cause to take notice. But not a bunch of small time capitalists. Thanks for the interesting discourse.
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Are you implying that Democracies are NOT controlled by the rich and powerful?
Paul Martin, Mulroney, the secretive Desmarais family are obscenely rich and powerful people who control Canadians. Not to mention the despicable Monarchy that have their greedy grubby hands on everything.
Mostly true, if powerful and rich are synonyms, sometimes there comes power from an idealism beyond money-wealth
The rich and powerful are not always counterproductive and/or corrupt.
Oftentimes, if they have been long in power, they become corrupt. (Power corrupts etc.) and sometimes a country is controlled by the rich and powerful of other countries, including citizens with dual citizenship and then in both cases, there is a serious conflict of interests.
It seems like the banks do. And they're foreclosing on Greece!
Well if they then walk away like they have and are still abandoning foreclosed properties here in the USA.
The Greek people may be in good shape in short time. Perhaps they will go with a reformation to a not-for-profit Credit Union Style set-up.
I really wish them all the best. They have a chance to completely remake themselves.
Thank God for the internet. They can ( if they so choose ) have all kinds of input and support for a healthy and prosperous society for all. Occupy and 99% educating/advocating for a better world for all.
typically liberals now control all the countries going down the drain. Just look at Europe.