Welcome login | signup
Language en es fr
OccupyForum

Forum Post: When will the "back rooms" of Congress have cameras?

Posted 9 years ago on May 10, 2015, 2:54 p.m. EST by windyacres (1197)
This content is user submitted and not an official statement

First of all, I understand "National Security" issues need some secrecy. Why does any domestic issue or amendment to bills, or even the wording of the bills need to be secret? Do they have the guts to stand before us and ask us to TRUST them? I also understand taxing issues can get complicated, (like ensuring stabilization of food prices), but the only reason for "back rooms" is to make secret deals that fly in the face of "All Men are Created Equal". Equal Justice for All must include the many that don't have connections or money to buy influence.

14 Comments

14 Comments


Read the Rules
[-] 3 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 9 years ago

"They don't care about you."-George Carlin

[-] 3 points by windyacres (1197) 9 years ago

I agree Mr. Obvious. They do care about themselves and we need a revolution to alter the political process. The George Carlin "speech", is an example of the knowledge needed to move enough people to join the altering. Revolution can take place simply by using the only power we have, Democracy. Vote Together against the establishment power. We can't count on the corporate media, social media has a chance.

[-] 3 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 9 years ago

"World Revolution is the ONLY Solution"

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1197) 9 years ago

Agreed, but can't we begin to get more specific? The currency wars aren't significant enough yet to prevent the USA from leading the world revolution. Deciding to Vote Together before we interview candidates could give Democracy a final chance. We only decide to Vote Together to alter the current corrupt political process, as envisioned in the Declaration of Independence. Individual issues should not divide us until we follow the first suggestion in the Constitution...establish justice.

[-] 3 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 9 years ago

I think Hillary is going to win.Especially if the TTP doesn't go through.Unless the Feds are planning a Gun Grab.Then Jeb will have to go in,because the Right Wingers think a Republican wouldn't grab their guns.

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1197) 9 years ago

It appears now Hillary will win. America is not ready for a Bush the 3rd. Guns are not as important than money and the Fed isn't interested in guns. They are interested in currency wars and the dollar remaining the world's currency, although they are probably hedging. Appeasing the Chinese and Russians will require more and more money, especially allowing others to get in on the action. The only good scenario is they are fat and happy and satisfied with the status quo. Will greed cause war or will gradual confiscation of pensions, etc be enough.

[-] 2 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 9 years ago

The Elites who stand to gain from all of the wealth concentration and Fascistic Crackdowns don't care about the guns-you are right about that.The .01% can't accomplish what it wants to do without lackeys to do their bidding-soldiers and police who will have to get right into the middle of the mess.And they are the ones who are worried about guns.

[Removed]

[-] 4 points by trashyharry (3084) from Waterville, NY 9 years ago

The concentration of wealth is going to have severe ramifications going forward.So severe,in fact,that violence will have to be employed to maintain and continue the process.A process that amounts to a New Feudalism and a Servant Economy.We will scarcely enjoy the benefits of The Bill of Rights in such a situation.A study of history reveals that extreme concentration of wealth is often followed by genocide.Meanwhile,the economy has become completely dysfunctional in every way.I believe we are headed for another massive crisis.All of these things hardly bear thinking about.Nevertheless,Opportunity will soon be knocking,ready or not.

[Removed]

[Removed]

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

[-] 2 points by trashyharry (3253) from Waterville, NY 1 hour ago

Well said.I agree completely

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

Small example of twinkle teaming - not really noticeable standing on it's own - but if one pays attention one will pick up the pattern of twinkle teaming: 13th track: (Stinkle teaming away) "one of our very favorites - we can bully and manipulate the boards by teaming up to stinkle comments or twinkle our BS - but we really hate it if anyone calls us out on it - and it drives us insane if we are subjected to anything like it ourselves."

Stinkle teaming away Stinkle teaming away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

We know a man He came from my hometown He shared his passion for this world in deeds that needed to be done

He said, world, I live in fear My love for you’s so overpowering and I’m afraid that you will be disappeared”

We had stinkle teamed Him away Stinkle teamed Him away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

And, We know a woman Became an advocate to support life These are the very words she uses to describe her life She said, “A good day Ain’t got no stinkle team” She said, “A bad day’s when I lie in bed And think of things that should have been”

We had stinkle teamed Her away Stinkle teamed Her away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

And We know a father Who had a son He longed to tell him all the reasons For the things that needed be done He came a long way Just to explain He kissed his boy as he lay sleeping Then he turned around and headed home again

We had stinkle teamed Him away Stinkle teamed Him away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

We say "God only knows God makes his plan" We say "The information’s unavailable To the mortal man" We want You to work your jobs Collect your pay To believe you’re gliding down the highway When in fact you’ve been stinkle teamed away

Stinkle teaming away Stinkle teaming away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up) "Sung to the tune of Paul Simon's - Slip Sliding Away"
[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

[-] 1 points by mdonelly (370) from Mineola, NY 4 hours ago

There are no guarantees in life. To me, rebelling against a system that is accelerating towards fascism is our only option. To do nothing, we will be ensuring the inevitable.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

12th track: (Hiding in plain sight) "we get really strident with this - when we feel we need to reapply shredded cover"

All it requires - is - enough expressed vitriol for the system in general - and many will believe you mean it - while one need not provide any supporting substance.

(part 2)

When the 1st part is not enough we also love to pretend to support protest and things (whatever is handy) - helps to throw off suspicion.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

9th track: (Take no action) "we support the status quo of handing the USA over to the 1% - but that just don't float - so instead we urge taking no action and clothe it in an appearence to be rebelling against the system - and we are so happy that few catch on to these facts"

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Bout that base, take no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base

Yeah it's pretty clear, we ain't for you

But we can shake it, shake it like we're supposed to do

'Cause We got that boom boom that all the 1%'s chase

All the right crap spread in all the right places

We see the citizens groups working that action to take

We know that shit ain't real (believe us)

Come on now, make it stop ( as we like things the way they are)

If you got apathy apathy - just raise it up

'Cause every inch of you is perfect

From the bottom to the top

Yeah, our Koch he told us don't worry about your stance

He says, people they like a little more BS to hold to at night

You know we won't support no publc-figure, speaking truth to all,

So, if that's what's you're into

Then go ahead and move along

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Bout that base, take no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base

We're bringing doody back

Go ahead and tell them citizens groups hey

No, We're not playing - you stink - you're naive,

We're here to tell you,

Every inch of you is played from from the cradle to the grave

Yeah, our Koch told us don't worry about your stance

He says, people they like a little more BS to hold at night

You know we won't support no publc-figure, speaking truth to all,

So, if that's what's you're into

Then go ahead and move along

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Bout that base, take no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Bout that base, take no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Bout that base, take no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base

  • by ( mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)
[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

[-] 2 points by mdonelly (348) from Mineola, NY 6 hours ago

The proliferation of guns in our country, gays in the military, abortion and more are serious issues that rightly concern good people. More than anything, though they are 'distractions' that the oligarchs need, and propagate to keep us sidetracked from things that benefit them, and are extremely detrimental to our efforts to feed our kids, keep a roof over their heads and having the freedoms that were written into the Constitution in their lives.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

So......what's the plan?

You do a lot of pissing and moaning and a whole lot more of tearing down possible alternatives.

But you never - NEVER - promote action that the public should unite in taking. And - NO - advocating for protesting is not enough.

Whats the public action plan?

You do have one - don't you?

Now I fully expect for you to go into your little evade routine. Shock me and don't. Actually provide some substance.

I dare ya.

[Removed]

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (353) from Mineola, NY 2 hours ago

I am implementing my "plan" incrementally. Presently, I am flushing out, and then shining a limelight on the people who are here for the sole purpose of subverting our strugglle, and have everyone vote for one of the same old, crappy two-party candidates. Wanna help? That's right, youre busy doing....

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

5th track: (We copy from the worst)

We sing our own politi-speak - saying much while saying nothing at all - tossing aspersions and providing no plans - we're the next best thing to the rethuglicans in office - listen to us sing and pay no attention to the fact that we forward nothing that would be supportive of the people - and so we serve the status quo.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)
[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 9 years ago

You could march against monsanto in a couple weeks.

Or you could help the people that make favorable legislation for them.

The choice is yours. You do like choices, dontcha?

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 9 years ago

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 hours ago

You could march against monsanto in a couple weeks.

Or you could help the people that make favorable legislation for them.

The choice is yours. You do like choices, dontcha?

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

10th track: (Tossing Shit)

As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie - "to shine the light" - on our bullshit).

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)