Forum Post: When will the attack start?
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 19, 2012, 8:59 p.m. EST by mjbento
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When Wall Street is liberated by the People? If the snake head falls, so will fall the capitalist slave system, social justice will come out. This will send shockwaves to the entire world and force the millionaires living in their villas, their ferraris and their dubai estates to "rethink" their lives. This will be a millestone to improve People's conditions.
The day after you Eat the Rich, what are you gonna eat? The semi-trucks wont be bringing food to whereever you are. So what are you going to do? Bringing down a system this large without an immediate replacement will bring chaos and death to millions.
Capitalism? Capitalism is the system of exploting others for your own profit, no matter if it implies their misery.
Comunism never failed, because you know what? No regime has ever be a Real Comunism. Real Comunism is based on liberties and the common good. USSR was a lie-state, a ditactorship and a corrupt one-Party regime that's why it got dismanteled.
It's a false belief to think that "capitalism won communism". There never was communism, only a regime in the US and allies that allowed civic liberties and in the USSR which a totalitarian regime with no liberties at all.
The capitalist system serves only the millionaires in wall street, the investment bankers and kills the ordinary americans and europeans. The capitalist system under no circunstance represents the people; in fact the capitalist way of doing things relies on empoverishing others, leaving them homeless, jobless and with no healthcare.
The capitalist system - which apparently you worship because you've been brainwashed to hate any other food they give you - is the sole responsible for today's misery across european and american cities. You cannot justify a system that allows indian, russian and american billionaires to fly to space, own ferraris, rolexes, and buy estates in dubai when millions of ordinary people can't even find a job.
This source of inequality I tell you is even stronger than in the 19th century. Change will happen. And the day will happen when people will abolish this modern-neo-slavery system of capitalism. The next day people will continue with their lives. Rich people will have to behave like ordinary people and lavish spendings will be condemned. Everyone will have a way of life that respects their dignity..
Face it. You can police one or two individuals to keep the status quo, but you can't police entire nations. And now, I see nations across europe and even in the US rising. The people are angered of wall street corrupt practices and they will vent their anger and their poverty on a decadent system. A social revolution will happen restoring people's dignity and will make sure the old system is killed forever.
Yo comrad Mjbento would you spell check "comunism".Dumb A--,stupid F--k
Systems are only reflections of the people who live in them. Real Communism (as you define it) will never exist because there will always be human beings who want to control the liberties of others. If there was ANY nation of of perfect people, then either capitalism or communism or socialism would work perfectly. But they don't. And until or unless the human race CHOOSES to be good and fair and kind they never will. At least not for very long.
You cannot legislate goodness. You cannot "police" equality, because as you stated, you can't police an entire nation.
Corruption is part of the human condition, it always has been. You cannot eradicate greed or thirst for power because for some people there is never "enough".
can you explain social justice
well, if I could get some news from here
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-787377
then we would all know what's happening these days
it wont let me reply to the other one
ok so what do you think our government should do to better improve these ranks
also another good thing to look at is happiness factor
ok but is that social justice
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ok your not understanding my question is having national and socialist style government social justice.
i know about Icelandic government
i think so: it seems to help in the rest of the wold http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/6126:us-ranks-27th-in-social-justice
"USA: We're No. 1!" Oh, wait — Iceland is No. 1. But we did beat out Poland and Slovakia, right? Uh...no. But go on down the rankings and there we are! No. 27, fifth from the bottom. So our new national chant is, "USA: At Least We're Not Last!" A foundation in Germany has analyzed the social justice records of all 31 members of the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), ranking each nation in such categories as health care, income inequality, pre-school education, and child poverty. The overall performance by the United States — which boasts of being an egalitarian society — outranks only Greece, Chile, Mexico, and Turkey. Actually, three of those countries performed better than ours in the education of pre-schoolers, and Greece did better than the United States on the prevention of poverty.
(><) and this is one of the people who will decide what replaces captialism......not a good sign.
Should the people learn how to spell attack?
Yes people happen to do mistakes but they also happen to learn how to correct them you idiot!
Yes,it is easy to correct a mistake.Than again your stupidity will take a lifetime.
You should not call people names due to your lack of a fourth grade education.And again.people "people happen to do"?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA the snake thing.
No social justice won't come out. If you take down the economy of this nation, the knives and the guns and the militias will come out and the condition of the PEOPLE will be starving, cold, and every man/woman for themselves and their children.
Did that happen in the great depression, BR?
We were a different country 80 yrs ago. Hell, Betsy's prophecy is already occuring in cities like Detroit and Chicago.
Then the anger needs to be directed to those responsible for the current poverty, homelessness, and unemployment.
And you think it's just a tidy little bundle of people don't you? "The rich", the "1%", the "banks" etc. Just pick a group of people you don't like (or that you envy) and blame them for all of it.
Except that not ALL rich people are corrupt, not all bankers are liars, not every person in the 1% is evil. And average, normal human beings know this-or at least they sense it to be true. If you want to bring individuals to justice, then DO SO-investigate, get names, and proof and let's go! But most of us refuse the whole "guilty by association" rhetoric as lazy, stupid, and FALSE.
Sometimes people make choices that make them poor, homeless, and unemployed. You realize that don't you? People in my family have demonstrated that principle to me repeatedly. Are you going to encourage people to direct some of that "anger" at those who are literally responsible for their own situations too? Or just the people YOU tell them are responsible?
You can lead a horse to water, Betsy, but you can't make it drink.
Sure there's people who will always be down and out. The situation with the dissappearing middle class is where the focus of #ows people is.
Where are the jobs for all the students that did all the right things, and got themselves an education? There aren't any jobs, because if there were, we wouldn't be here talking about it.
And those that manage to find work of any kind, are on a wage that hasn't seen any increase in decades, so even though they are working fulltime, they still need food stamps. Meanwhile the CEO gives themselves a ten million dollar "performance" bonus, for shuffling paper.
You have watched Inside Job, the documentary, haven't you? The corruption runs deep. Have you seen how the Koch brothers are buying off the EPA so they can pollute for profit? You know they want to segregate the school system?
Focus. It's what you need right about now.
The Koch brothers, are you kidding me? Have you seen Obama's EPA sustainability agenda?
Nope. Do you have a link?
I suppose that just totally evaded you right? How do you judge a presidency or national politics if you don't pay attention?
So no link? Okay. Just prattle on then.
"There aren't ANY jobs, because if there were, we wouldn't be here talking about it".
Really? NO jobs? What is the current unemployment rate? 100%? 50%? 25%? According to the media and the current administration it's 7.8%. That would mean that 92.2% of workers ages 16 and older HAVE JOBS!!!
I have two daughters who are married. One of them graduated on the dean's list from college with a Master's degree and worked full time all the way through. She had a partial scholarship AND the "big company" she worked for REIMBURSED her for all of the college credits that applied to her job so she has ZERO student loans. Her husband is still in college and HE currently has a job as well. My other daughter chose not to attend college and she's been working full time to pay for expenses while HER husband completes his degree. He still has two more years to a degree and is CURRENTLY working for a company that is paying him $60k a year WITHOUT a college degree.
Of all of their friends, who grew up as much in our house as they did their own, none of them are homeless, or unemployed that I know of and all are doing pretty much the same thing-working while they go to school or their spouses do etc. And none of them are living at home with their parents either-all of us being low/middle class income earners ourselves.
For "average middle class families" like myself, we KNOW what we see going on around us and while things are tough and people are struggling, they still have homes and food and clothing and still spend time with their families etc. Many of us are in our mortgages upside down now thanks to the housing market (thank you very much Fannie and Freddie) BUT many of us have no problem admitting that we probably bought "more home than we really and truly NEEDED" originally, AND many of us have also been able to refinance our loans at the currently lowest rates in at least the past 30 years BECAUSE of that crisis. More people can afford homes in our neighborhood TODAY than could 5 years ago and we welcome them.
The CEOs of companies can do whatever the hell they want to with their money as long as they pay the people who AGREE to work for them the wages/salary they AGREED to when those employees APPLIED for and ACCEPTED those jobs. It may not be NICE, but you can't legislate "nice" or "charity" or "generous".
Why all the intermittent capitals?
Because capital letters are a minority that has been disenfranchised and constrained to just the beginning of sentences and proper names for too long. Occupy the Capitals!
We should Occupy the Capital! LOL!
OMG. Did we just LAUGH together?......hope springs eternal
It does, :).
Well now, there's someone who understands the purpose of punctuation. The capital, at times, is necessary to "punctuate." The English language has forgotten this.
Well, some people learn the code required to italicize and bold their words, but if the truth is spoken here, I'm an illiterate, uneducated, lazy, lying, brainwashed, irrational human being, so clearly such skill is beyond my humble reach. :-)
http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/
I'm sorry. I'm too stupid to read and/or understand that stuff. :P
Ehh... you know they were interviewing Nelson Demille this week, whose "Word of Honor" was just incredible, and he was saying he still writes everything by hand - there are no italics, there is no "bold." What of Herman Melville? He was an absolute genius of punctuation. These are tricks of language, as worded-thought conveyance, that we should not forget.
Nice to see someone who gets it.
I have a laptop, an Iphone, and a Nexus....and it annoys the hell out of my husband when I write the grocery list on a piece of notebook paper with a pencil. Yes dear...there's an APP for that....I know. I know.
It's scarey; we're forgetting how to use a pen.
Unlike the Builder, I can lead a horse to water and make him drink. In fact, I can make him dance on a lilly pad if you want me to - all it takes is a little faith; you gotta keep the faith.
Ok, so, can I call you "Mom"?
Sweetie, I grew up with horses, and the idea that you think you can force one to drink if he/she doesn't want to...is hilarious. I'd love to watch you try though.
You can call me anything you wish to. Whether or not I answer is up to me.
I was good with horses until they decided to turn the corner. And then somehow, mysteriously, I invariably found myself on my back studying blue sky and passing clouds; like, whoa, how did that happen?
They are fiercely stubborn creatures with very STRONG muscles. LOL I've known horses that would rather drown than let me "make" them do anything. LOL
Well I guess... I know at times it seemed I was headed one way and they were headed the other, and so we parted ways. And I'm sure you would have found that very funny, too.
I've hit the ground enough times to know it hurts. Doesn't mean I can't chuckle about the image it conjures.
Ouch.
Horses are big; they're like, really, really big. Bigger than a harley davidson, much bigger. Bigger than a tractor, taller than a 4x4, especially when you're horizontal and looking up, and they're so, vertical.
So happy to entertain, but, is it always this painful?
Your patience with this immature garbage is amazing. I do admire you.
Yeah...take down the "bad evil rich" and then where exactly do you expect the taxes to come from that currently houses and feeds the current poverty stricken and unemployed?
The unemployed pay into their own unemployment insurance. The poverty-stricken generally work for their money. What you seem to be overlooking is the hugely wasteful war machine, the lack of an appropriate taxation regime, and the mismanagement of what taxes are collected.
Meanwhile, the taxpayer gets to pay for endless wars on terror, while the congress gets to play insider trader, making millions in a couple of years off the MIC. Major construction firms get to rebuild other nations, at great profit, while infrastructure "back home" falls to rack and ruin.
Focus upon the real problem, rather than lumbering the lower class with more guilt.
Bitsey has a tendency to try to find bad in any change to the current status-quo. She could have answered her own question in a positive manner had she the ability(?) or is it freedom(?) or is it personal honesty/integrity beyond her employers command(?) to consider the fact of getting people back to work and being paid living wages doing work that supported health - these greatly expanded numbers of workers - actually making a living wage are then paying taxes and are not needing tax aid programs that others are now paying into. Do we then need to end the safety nets? I say - NO - You make them robust and grow them with the ability of not borrowing from them and with the reduced numbers drawing on them.
It's not that at all. It's that the lifestyle in rural PA is very much different. It's a world, I think, in which all are very much aware of life's adversity, of economic peril, of all that threatens.
They are much more family and community oriented, much more charitable, much more liberal respecting neighbors. This is not a world of few safety nets; it's word in which the divide between rich and poor, haves and have-nots, is very obvious because the rich literally live on one end of Main Street while he poor inhabit the other. And we call this a "community." But on this end of Main Street the home improvement craze of the 90s has totally evaded - homes have not been updated in 70 years - and this is if they are lucky enough to be employed, if not they will cross that divide to the netherworld that inhabits the campgrounds as trailer trash, and they may never return.
There's a reason New Hope was named New Hope. But in a place like this people are more frugal - the Germans have always been more frugal - and they understand that if one is not lucky enough to inherit some relative wealth in the form of a farm or a successful business that there is but one route to the relative prosperity that will ensure happiness and that is by way of the "good society" - God, community, education, hard work, frugality - it's a proven formula that has served for generations. Take a moment to breath that word in - Genneraations... - because that is the one word that is missing from the minds of those who live on the fringe; for these there are no generations, they leave no descendants - the Good Society is an evolutionary device intended to provide for "generations"...
And y'all need to think about that. Because what she is telling you is 100% factual; it is reality, it's not just a way of life but the only way of life - there is but one formula and you cannot evade it and survive.
You can't change the world; no single individual, no group of people, however large or small can significantly alter this apparatus we call "economy" - it is a device that lives outside ourselves, as an extension of self; it's evolutionary. Capitalism has existed since the dawn and will be here long after we're gone; get over it.
Anyone can change the world if they are located at the right place, the right time, with the right mindset and environment. I dug into history and I saw again and again bifurcation points where one individual who happened to stand at the cusp of history made all of the major differences subsequently.
Economy and Capitalism were invented by us, people. They can therefore be un-invented or re-invented as we like. The creators tend to be the most knowledgeable destroyers. Think about that! Without people there will be no economy, nor Capitalism. Even with an economy, people can also choose to relate to each other differently and render Capitalism completely irrelevant.
Well, to a point - place anyone one of us in the right place and time with a big enough bomb and we could probably cure capitalism by ridding the earth of all people - otherwise it will survive to defy all attempts.
Yes, it can survive in the same sense as Zeus and Aphrodite. All gods, Capitalism included, need physical embodiments to be real. We the people are the embodiments of all gods so we can banish any and all gods if we so wish. Why does the Judeo-Christian God need Jesus and Allah needs the Prophet Mohammed? To provide the physical interactions required.
Yes but in this case the physical interaction presently involves 7 billion people. What that makes it is an entity unto itself. There is no such thing as "Judeo-Christian," now is there?
Capitalism is not an entity unto itself. It is simply a label, nothing more. The western world fell into this curse of dichotomy and has never really recovered. Creating models is fine and dandy but too often people start to mistake the models for reality. That IS dangerous in the long run although in the short term models can allow us to make some headway into our areas of inquiry by letting us take smaller bites at the problem. There is and there is not "Judeo-Christian" God in exactly the same sense that there is and there is not "Allah." All of them are REAL entities in that they cause real effects in the physical world. World Trade Center did not fall by itself. "God" and "Allah" willed it through Saudi education.
It's not just the western world, it's the entire world - no society, no people - can survive without capitalism. Your "capitalism" is one of these very models or types that is not reality; it does not exist in the sense that you believe it does.
Judeochristian, in the sense of a converso? Even here it was a marriage highly suspect. To be more specific, "JudeoChristian" is an invention of but one writer and America is not a Judeo Christian world, it's a Christian world, all those who enter regardless of religious persuasion are cultural "conversos."
I really do not get what my or your capitalism are so I will not beat it any more.
As for "Judeo-Christian," I fully enjoy having the religious discord of Judaism and Christianity of when to observe the Sabbath to be resolved as having BOTH Saturday and Sunday off for most people. I would not mind to include the Islamic month of Ramadan (Allahu Akbar!) to bring our U.S. standard of vacation to the level of the Europeans.
Unemployment is one thing. There's food stamps and housing credits and a myriad of other benefits that are paid for by people who rarely, if ever, need to claim unemployment benefits. There are also people who over spend, run up bills they cant pay and then declare bankruptcy, who refuse to work, or who work "off the books" so they don't have to pay taxes.
I have NO problem pointing fingers where blame is due and yes there is great corruption in this world. But not all of it comes from "the wealthy" just as it does not all come from the poor. People shouldn't be made to feel guilty for something they have never done-be they rich OR poor. You seem to feel otherwise.
Oh Betsy, You are a breath of fresh air on this forum. You are correct. If or when the economy fails and we fall into a major depression it will be bad for all; especially the poor.
A depression today would be much worse than the 1930’s Great Depression. In the 30’s about half the population lived in rural areas or on farms. It was much easier to be self sufficient. These day when the grocery stores become empty people will do whatever they have to take care of their families. Scared, cold, hungry people are dangerous. You may need a weapon or two for survival.
I’m constantly amazed by the people who think we will all join hands and sing kum-ba-yah when things start falling apart. When things start to get bad political ideologies become less important. It becomes a matter of safety and survival. People will follow whoever can provide jobs and security.
Well said, we just need to look at what happened in New Orleans when hurricane Katrina hit. There were ample early warnings (2004 Indian Ocean tsunami and alarms by scientists about bowl-shaped New Orleans situating below lake and sea level) about what could happen. There were the original yielding to the building of the Industrial Canal for business efficiency and profits, deaf ears, politicking, deferment of the strengthening of the levees citing the probability of a once in FIVE-HUNDRED-YEARS flood, incompetent governmental leaders on multiple levels, cronyism staffing incompetents in key position, etc.
However, so far our many different levels of governments have FAILED to bring the financial meltdown's culprits to justice. Perhaps the politicians just knew too well how they would be implicated either as collaborators or incompetents if matters were brought into the daylight. We must agitate for justice. It is as plain as day that our system needs to be shaken up. It is our patriotic duty to create our governments in our own image. When they are derelict of their proper functions, it is incumbent upon all of us Citizens to set it right by any and all means at our disposal.
For as much as they like to pretend that they can relate to the poor, the hungry, and the oppressed, and as much as they scream that they represent the 99%, they are totally clueless about human behavior and history and the means to which REALLY hungry, REALLY oppressed and REALLY disenfranchised people will go to to stay alive and protect their loved ones.
Not to mention that this generation has grown up so spoiled, so protected, so NON-physical, and non self sufficient that they wouldn't have the first idea about how to farm or plant or survive if they DID have the land given to them to do so.
They want to topple the "regime" they have now, but have done zero planning and have zero clues about how to control the "new" regime that would take control if this one ends. It's all just "bring it down" and tomorrow we'll worry about how to distribute all the cupcakes and unicorns amongst the planet. siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh
I get a little irritated by this 1% vs. 99% marketing slogan. It’s bogus. How arrogant to think they represent the 99%. The truth is the country is split almost down the middle, 50% each side, of who is liberal and conservative. The presidential polls should give them a clue.
My guess is the reality is reversed. They are the real 1% and everyone else is the 99%. I’m not rich by any means, and don’t like them presuming to speak for me.
Here’s a video I like about what will happen when things start falling apart.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J42CLa5iATM
No one speaks for me without my permission, and anyone who claims to is a fraud and a liar. And I think there are multiple layers involved in the "split" of this country that don't fit into either mold perfectly.
I'm not rich either, at least according to the world's corrupted and petty definition of "wealth" nor do I want to be. In the things that matter deeply and truly, I am richly blessed and mostly undeserving as far as I can tell. Our family lives by selling our time/skills for what we believe it to be worth-or what the market allows, and in the times in which that has become difficult we are possessed of nothing but gratitude for that which finds it's way into our lives to bless and sustain us. We in turn do the same for those we see struggling when trouble hits them.
A government is made up of the people it governs. If those people cannot take care of each other wisely and effectively, then their government cannot-will not, either. To expect it to be 'higher' or "more compassionate" or "capable" than they themselves are-is insanity.
Hahahahahahah. In a lot of ways, you're right.
Apart from growing a lot of my own food, I make my own growing media, right down to seed-raising mix. Just hatched 18 chickens, and there's more on the way, to add to our 32 hens and 2 roosters.
Have one goat, to keep the weeds down around the mango and citrus trees, and it's just getting warm enough to brew beer again, and yes, we sprout our own grain for malt, and apart from buying dextrose and bottle caps, the rest is made on site.
The younger generation are a worry though. I think even marketing experts are concerned that they've created the most slothful dependent generation in history.
That's just it builder. What percentage of people living the US right now have the knowledge/skills/supplies to become completely self sufficient? It's a very small percentage I'm sure.
Now, the percentage of people who will be hungry and desperate (lacking the knowledge, skills/supplies) ??? If you think for one minute that those people will see your home/set up and politely ASK for some or wait around for you to teach them how to do it themselves-you're naive. And probably dead.
You'll immediately become part of the "new 1%/elite/wealthy" who has more of what they want/need than they do, and they'll take you down too.
We're a long way out of town, on a steep block.
And this nation got disarmed years ago. Our dogs and isolation will be the main "protection" from any possible mob situation. That said, if someone did find their way here, I wouldn't turn them away.
As for the people living in the US, with over fifty states, it's hard to get an idea of how many would be prepared for the worst. From reading survivalist blogs, there's plenty of Americans that are ready, but where they all are is probably not the cities.
So, you're protected and isolated yourself...what about the people who aren't? Are you here encouraging the collapse of a society across the sea which mostly likely wouldn't affect you in the slightest? One in which the people are HIGHLY armed and being pitted against each other? Seems a little "1%ish" if you ask me....
How ironic.
Unfortunately our armed services are tied in with yours, and our government seems to be willing to bend over backwards to appease yours.
That makes us both unlikely bedfellows, and partners in crime. Again, this is unfortunate, but never-the-less, it's our reality.
Except that I'm not encouraging the collapse of our society OR yours.
Ain't gonna happen in the next hundred years.
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