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Forum Post: When is the violence going to start?

Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 3, 2011, 11:48 a.m. EST by dantes44 (431) from Alexandria, VA
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Really, that is all that is left. OWS has no goals, no demands, no structure. Just a mass waiting for the match to ignite it. This will not end well.

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[-] 2 points by ModestCapitalist (2342) 13 years ago

Don't fall for this psychological crap from any one percent goon. It's an obvious attempt to discredit our cause or divert our attention from the obscene, unjust, immoral, and illogical concentration of wealth. Donald Trump went on record the other day telling us to blame the government instead of Wall Street and the richest one percent. Other well known public figures are trying to stereotype all of us as lazy entitlement junkies without a brain or spine among us. Their goons are obviously online and on air trying to break our will. Don't fall for any of it. Just follow the law and keep protesting no matter what the one percent goons say or do. Our message is vital. Below is my two cents:

We have been mislead by Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama, and nearly every other public figure. Economic growth, job creation, and actual prosperity are not necessarily a package deal. In fact, the first two are horribly misunderstood. Economic growth/loss (GDP) is little more than a measure of domestic wealth changing hands. A transfer of currency from one party to another. The rate at which it is traded. This was up until mid ’07′ however, has never been a measure of actual prosperity. Neither has job creation. The phrase itself has been thrown around so often, and in such a generic political manner, that it has come to mean nothing. Of course, we need to have certain things done for the benefit of society as a whole. We need farmers, builders, manufacturers, transporters, teachers, cops, firefighters, soldiers, mechanics, sanitation workers, doctors, managers, and visionaries. Their work is vital. I’ll even go out on a limb and say that we need politicians, attorneys, bankers, investors, and entertainers. In order to keep them productive, we must provide reasonable incentives. We need to compensate each by a fair measure for their actual contributions to society. We need to provide a reasonable scale of income opportunity for every independent adult, every provider, and share responsibility for those who have a legitimate need for aid. In order to achieve and sustain this, we must also address the cost of living and the distribution of wealth. Here, we have failed miserably. The majority have already lost their home equity, their financial security, and their relative buying power. The middle class have actually lost much of their ability to make ends meet, re-pay loans, pay taxes, and support their own economy. The lower class have gone nearly bankrupt. In all, its a multi-trillion dollar loss taken over about 30 years. Millions are under the impression that we need to create more jobs simply to provide more opportunity. as if that would solve the problem. It won’t. Not by a longshot. Jobs don’t necessarily create wealth. In fact, they almost never do. For the mostpart, they only transfer wealth from one party to another. A gain here. A loss there. Appreciation in one community. Depreciation in another. In order to create net wealth, you must harvest a new resource or make more efficient use of one. Either way you must have a reliable and ethical system in place to distribute that newly created wealth in order to benefit society as a whole and prevent a lagging downside. The ‘free market’ just doesn’t cut it. Its a farce. Many of the jobs created are nothing but filler. The promises empty. Sure, unemployment reached an all-time low under Bush. GDP reached an all-time high. But those are both shallow and misleading indicators. In order to gauge actual prosperity, you must consider the economy in human terms. As of ’08′ the average American was working more hours than the previous generation with far less equity to show for it. Consumer debt, forclosure, and bankruptcy were also at all-time highs. As of ’08′, every major American city was riddled with depressed communities, neglected neighborhoods, failing infrastructures, lost revenue, and gang activity. All of this has coincided with massive economic growth and job creation. Meanwhile, the rich have been getting richer and richer and richer even after taxes. Our nation’s wealth has been concentrated. Again, this represents a multi-trillion dollar loss taken by the majority. Its an absolute deal breaker. Bottom line: With or without economic growth or job creation, you must have a system in place to prevent too much wealth from being concentrated at the top. Unfortunately, we don’t. Our economy has become nothing but a giant game of Monopoly. The richest one percent of Americans already own nearly 1/2 of all US wealth. An all-time high. More than double their share before Reagan took office. The lower 90 percent of Americans own less than 10 percent of all US wealth. An all-time low. Still, the rich want more. They absolutely will not stop. Now, our society as a whole is in serious jeapordy. Greed kills.

[-] 2 points by Idaltu (662) 13 years ago

Very well written...and this post was exactly what you stated: "Don't fall for this psychological crap from any one percent goon. It's an obvious attempt to discredit our cause or divert our attention from the obscene, unjust, immoral, and illogical concentration of wealth. "

The movement is at a fork in the road. One way takes it to working within the system and the other is a hellish ride into chaos. I prefer the former, but I know that the latter will eventually happen. In a way, the elite of Wall Street actually want the latter....because that is their path to total control: they assume that the public cannot win a violent confrontation. If this movement was limited to the US I would say it was a good assumption...but it is now world wide....and now I am not so sure about that assumption.

[-] 1 points by ModestCapitalist (2342) 13 years ago

Good points. To some extent, we are in unchartered territory. I mean there were similar protests during the Great Depression. But we eventually recovered.

There will be no recovery this time. Very scary.

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 13 years ago

Actually Obama would prefer you to be violent so he can justify martial law.Once that is instituted he will cancel elections and you have played right into his plans to rule the USA as a monarch.

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 13 years ago

Dear God please quit posting the same cut and paste over and over. It really makes you seem nothing more than a propagandist.(at least to me)

[-] -1 points by dantes44 (431) from Alexandria, VA 13 years ago

More cut and paste, eh?

[-] 2 points by JonoLith (467) 13 years ago

The only violence you will see will be the violence done against us.

[-] 1 points by OWSisawaste (133) 13 years ago

OWS is creating problems and trying to upset a country founded on capitalism. in every society there are classes no matter what kind of society it is, communist, capitalist, fascist, whatever. There will always be a high, middle, and low class, you cannot change that. There is no way for a country to work the way it should with everyone on the same playing field. it just is not possible. so to all you OWS people out there, your cause might be just in your mind and sound good on paper but in the real world, it is not possible. You are just creating a stage on which you make noise and yell at the government that allows you to protest and try to destroy the country that gave you the rights to try and destroy it. be thankful you live in a country as good as this one, or go to Somalia or Iraq or North Korea and try to protest there about big business and see how it goes.....

[-] 1 points by Indy4Change (254) from Columbia, SC 13 years ago

http://goo.gl/X2QSI

The violence is already ramping up @OccupyOakland. It's really just a test of the waters to see what they can get away with. Does anybody in the OWS really think this will attract people to the movement? As much as many 99%ers are pissed off about corporate greed, they aren't about to shirk their responsibilities in life to take the chance of being jailed, raped, or killed.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 13 years ago

with Neanderthals in Europe 15 million years ago

[-] 1 points by justaguy (91) 13 years ago

Ahhh it has started. Oakland is not about anything anymore but what the next violent act will be.

Once you go down that road, the only way to continue is to up the violence with the hope of police confrontation that you can then use to get support because of the police tactics.

Kind of a feedback loop. Once it starts it is hard to corral.

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 13 years ago

When OWS protesters masturbate publicly, I consider they are engaging in potential visual violence against the passer-bys. If I'm the passer-by and the masturbators are big fat American males, I consider it to be visual violence. Contrastingly, if I'm the passer-by and the masturbators are luscious skinny asian females, I do not consider it to be visual violence. In instances of mixed types of masturbators and/or mixed types of passer-bys, it depends on the visual field of each passer-by. If masturbators are only caught by peripheral vision, then I consider it to be a minor offense.

[-] 0 points by Perspective (-243) 13 years ago

It already has. See Oakland.