Forum Post: Whats a Radical?
Posted 11 years ago on Jan. 16, 2013, 1:45 p.m. EST by OTP
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Whats a radical?
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Not sure.
But, if it's free radical then apparently Q-10 is the antidote.
This is what happens if you crash and leave the tv on. You are awaken at 3AM with a infomercial.
From dictionary.com, works for me:
rad·i·cal:
Its incredible that all the common sense solutions to our current economic decline are deemed radical by the MSM.
We have to find a way to control this conversation. The people are being misled, and someone or something has GOT to get in between them and the TV.
Very true. Education is the key to waking people up.
Necessary things. Real Education and waking up.
Yes. We need both, lol.
G-day BW - and proper involvement/action by the public because of them. {:-])
Me and Jeannie Perry. She's a community activist in Carbondale and a writer for the Sopris Sun. I'm an artist & have a PhD and went to the Sorbonne. We were the co-architects of #ows Occupy Aspen . Jeannie's observations well before #ows were timely: “Sooner or later, the ticking time bomb that is this fat cat thievery they call ‘economic downturn' will blow. Then this nepotism, and the equivalent of nepotism with friends, will cease and desist. At least for a little while until unchecked greed and complacency meet up once again for a romantic weekend getaway.” http://www.snowmasssun.com/article/20110223/FRONTPAGE/110229993
I'm also a tea partyer, not the racist kind, the love your neighbor kind. I believe that #ows + the libertarians/tea paryters + the Mexicans = little people UNITED. If you say we need our 2nd amendment to protect our first in Aspen, LOOK OUT: http://www.aspentimes.com/article/20121213/NEWS/121219954&mode=comments
Consider : "Radicals are the ones who see new paths and horizons, whether they are entrepreneurs or political philosophers, they connect the dots way before the masses ever see the patterns. Humanity progresses though the mind of the radical, always has always will. From Galileo to Einstein, radicals are shunned by those without the intellect to see past their own pre-conceived notions. Every great inventor or political agitator was always looked down by those who could not grasp the un conventional, that is until society has no other choice but to conform to the new wisdom. Radicals are free, while most people are only slaves to conventional wisdom. Where as the radical looks outside the box for wisdom, the laymen does not even know he is in one." - quoted from poster 'JesseHeffran', on this thread and well worth repeating I thought + further please consider :
"Why I Am a Socialist ?" by Chris Hedges : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21586.htm
"Some Thoughts About Socialism", by William Blum : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article22368.htm
"How Socialists Built America", by John Nichols : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27907.htm
"Nine Myths about Socialism in the US", by Bill Quigley : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25187.htm
"Trends to Barbarism and Prospects for Socialism" : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article26052.htm .
Too 'radical' for you ?! ~{:-)
fiat lux ...
Me, I'm a radical.
Someone who goes to the heart of issues.
I met so many interesting people at our rallies, people that I would have never met before. People with radical, kind of crazy ideas. I freakin loved it.
We need to embrace that. Like GF said, EVERYTHING must be questioned. All of it.
Someone here stated a little while ago that "if we arent aiming for 100% UNEMPLOYMENT, then we are going backwards"..
This statement has stuck with me. Our goals of 100% employment, with all the technology, could be completely backwards.
in this day and age it is someone who fights for what is just and moral without compromise.
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"This site was brought to you by various radicals"....
Im interested to get the perspective of the fantastic four on this.
who is that?
A certain group of four people, one of em that is no longer here, that was an easier way to discuss what goes on with the site and the constant attacks.
The spin doctors, the ones that claims anyone who doesnt like Obama is a Republican, the usual stuff that destroys forums and in a broader sense, movements.
OK - at least they are gone. Ooops sorry you only said one was gone.
A BS term used by Washington and the media to invoke fear into the masses and stop us asking more specific questions about why a particular group would want to attack us......and it seems to work like a charm.
A radical is a true beliver, who can not alter their logic. No matter how much real evidence there is they think what they want to think. Many ideals seem great on paper or in a vacumm, but are much less attractive in real application. While the rest of learn, that something just sounded good and had huge unforeseen pitfalls, the radical says we did not do it enough. Radicals HATE dessent, they prefer one message only. That is why they will have no problem silencing opposing voices but will always scream about how they are being repressed. One example of the radical mindset was the Bush Tax cuts: cutting taxes on the rich will create jobs, build a stronger economy and tax cuts bring more money into the federal govt. After the Bush crash, and running a huge debt on unpaid for tax cuts.....the right wing radicals insisted we needed more tax cuts. Radicals come in all shapes and sizes. I think they tend to not be the brightest bulbs in the box. Yes we lefties have them too, but we tend to keep our crazies in check. Every side has them, and I think there is at least a little patch of radical in all of us on something.
What ever. Radicals are the ones who see new paths and horizons, whether they are entrepreneurs or political philosophers, they connect the dots way before the masses ever see the patterns. Humanity progresses though the mind of the radical, always has always will. From Galileo to Einstein, radicals are shunned by those without the intellect to see past their own pre-conceived notions. Every great inventor or political agitator was always looked down by those who could not grasp the un conventional, that is until society has no other choice but to conform to the new wisdom. Radicals are free, while most people are only slaves to conventional wisdom. Where as the radical looks outside the box for wisdom, the laymen does not even know he is in one.
You better ask somebody.
Very well said.
Thank you. That person was so off the mark that I kinda feel he/she just said what he/she said to provoke a response because i'd hate to believe that such historical stupidness really exists.
I agree with you that they probably had an agenda in mind. You did an awesome job explaining that without preaching. We need radical change in this country and, evidently, the only ones who are going to bring this about, are, well, radicals.
Radical - means to get to the heart of an issue.
So
RIGHT-ON
Ummm I think you mean fanatic.
if you're starving, why dont you apply for an EBT card
Why would that be your concern. People starve on purpose to get things set right because that is how much they believe in it. While others may have an upbringing that EBT process would be too emotionally upsetting.
applying for a ebt card too emotionally upsetting? not for the 40+ million people that have them.
I was referring to those who do not have them and are starving, granted it is probably a low number.
"a radical" is a label - that helps us classify human beings - like grades of eggs or beef
is david duke "a radical" or does he believe whites are superior
is carl rove "a radical" or does he believe the ends justify the means
is Bernies Sanders "a radical" because he believes parties are corrupting
in case you could not guess - I don't like labels
Labeling people and classification is unamerican.
"this site was brought to you by various radicals"
A few of us are trying to figure out why certain posters are constantly attacked. Figured a discussion about what radical means to different people would be a good starting point. It has many different meanings, to many different people.
Good point - but I still don't like labels
I think attacking ANY poster - who does not advocate violence - is always wrong.
The forum is far too full of juvenile name calling and lies
ATTACK THE POST - NOT THE POSTER
I think "radicals" come in two flavors-
radicals who believe what I believe are good & wise
.radicals who do not believe what I believe and bad & crazy
but back to reality - the "brought....radical" was probably created by anti-government anti-political anti-voting anarchists
There is nothing "radical" about wanting a government that answers to the people' interests first. What is really "radical" is what has been going on for the past 30 plus years.
~Odin~
So how many of those are in full support of the John Birch Society and Alex Jones theories, like you are?
They actually protest against the Kochs and ALEC instead of calling them "wedge issues".
You have been one of those on the attack!
This is completely disingenuous.
I doubt too many occupiers know a lot about the John Birch Society. Thats kind of more your time thing. I never went on their site until you started screaming I was a "bircher"...Im suprised you didnt put the little r in parenthesis...haha...
But yes, lots of occupiers listen to Alex Jones. If you ever helped out, you would know that. I think he's a bit of a sensationalist.
Heres a link to ALEC corporations. Glad to see you had no problem voting for politicians who openly accept bribes....errrrrrrr....donations from them.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=ALEC_Corporations
I dont vote for people who accept corporate donations. I dont support the things we protest about.
Where do you stand?
Do you consider Trevor a Republican too?
You posted the link to the Birch Society at least twice.
So stop lying.
You actually back a lot of the things they do.
Now you want to tell me Alex Jones has co-opted Occupy Tampa!!!???
That's that a valid source??
You're lost.
Here's some more truth on your good buddies the Kochs, on those guns you love so much.
http://www.politicususa.com/nra-libertarians-firearms-industry.html
Who said Alex Jones coopted OT? Where do you get this shit from? Who said anything about a valid source?
And I posted a story about Marines going into Guatemala. Apparently you were more concerned with the website than the story, which was proven to be true.
Its not my fault you never go to Detroit to participate. But stop attacking people who do. How much do you get paid to come on here and sniff out and attack people who obvously know what they are talking about?
You, facts, and VQ should write a book together. "How to Insult and Marginalize the Message"....haha you three are something else..
You did, along with an admission that it was further co-opted by the libe(R)tarians.
You said these things, along with all your non stop name calling and petulant fits pique
Alex Jones and libertarians co-opted OT? Or the entire thing? I cant recall saying that. Im not sure why I would say that. Doesnt make any sense.
Any more fairytales for us tonight shooz? hehe.
Spin away, spin doctor. Spin your way out to OccDetroit and find out whats up.
You're the one spinning and lying.
You did say both things. In fact you just openly admitted that members were following Alex Jones and you did post twice from the Birchers.
Plus there's the multiple PMs you've sent me filled with insults.
Honesty isn't your strong suit.
Please show me where I declared that Alex and Libertarians coopted the movement? That would be grand. Spin baby spin!!
A bit of a difference between some occupiers listening to Alex Jones vs Jones coopting the movement. There may be a reason you get insulted so much- you are simply out of touch. I mean, one would only have to hang out for a few days to hear a few alex jones bits.
Go to OD and see whats up.
Maybe you can do some of your mindless attacking and distracting at the GA, totally get the whole thing off course with your little r in parenthesis thing.
I can see you now making the hand getsures to show parenthesis when speaking about libertarians and republicans. That would be a big hit. It may take off. And then you would be famous. How cool would that be ;)
If you want me to stop insulting u, then perhaps you should stop trolling me. Just a thought. Either or. Whatever.
Awww, you don't like it when I say (R)epelican't.
Well I guess you're gonna keep calling me names then.
Spinning conspiracy theory is about all you do around here anymore.
But if you think I'm going to look through10s of thousands of posts just because you can't remember what you say, you're mistaken.
I know what you said and that's enough for me.
PS You never did prove you theory about how they're all the same.
So I'll tell you what.
If your so dead set on insulting me, who don't you do it public instead of calling me names in PMs like trolls do.
Spin on..................................:)
With your Alex Jones bullshit, but don't expect me to ignore it.
Hacks on CNBC: "Is this hostage scenario Al Queda"?
Here we go again...
Go again? This party is just getting started. The 'radical' Islamists are slowly taking over the mideast/north africa. They wish to build another Caliphate. You have noticed that the 'arab spring' has not sprung a democracy, right? Egypt may have had elections, but radical Islamists are consolidating their power. I really cannot fathom Obama's end game in foreign policy. He is supplying arns to Islamic fighters to topple Assad, as he assisted Islamic warriors in Libya and Egypt. He cannot be that stupid, so what is it he is hoping will happen out there?
Sounds like Reagan all over again.
Are these guys radicals?
http://www2.tbo.com/news/breaking-news/2011/oct/21/4/police-arresting-occupy-tampa-protesters-ar-273605/
Are the Dem Mayor and 100% Dem City Council radicals for not allowing the people to peacefully assemble during an economic and societal decline?
Who is the radical?
In "Deadly Spin" by Wendell Potter, the author states that universal coverage is simply too radical an idea for the Democrats.
So why would anyone who wants universal expect it from that group? Who is the radical?