Forum Post: What we really need is OccupyOccupy
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 19, 2011, 6:23 p.m. EST by DanRand
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Two months is more than enough.
Two months of a minute minority of idiots claiming to represent "the 99%" because they believe that that will give them some immunity from the laws that exist. (I would concede that they may represent "the 10-15%" because a look at a standard Bell Curve indicates that we will always have that number of morons among us.)
Two months of this mob being openly manipulated by the hand-full of people that checked off "Revolutionary - Communist or Anarchist" as their career choice.
Two months of this mob being stroked by politicians foolish enough to think that a mob can be channeled toward the polls as well as toward the sacking of the Winter Palace.
Two months of "law-enforcement" officials who cannot come up with any response at all to the open organization of conspiracies to obstruct commerce and/or the free movement of individual citizens.
The vast majority of ordinary decent citizens could end all of this very quickly if they were ever to come out and peaceably stand and speak among themselves - equally unpermitted but without any tents - on whatever piece of ground the "occupiers" had set their sights on. This website and the other "occupier social media" would provide the only road map required.
Unfortunately, people that actually have jobs and other creditable responsibilities have always found it hard to express themselves in such a manner. That is why the revolutionary few always strive to "take it to the streets" and to convince the media and other fools to look to "the streets" for a manifestation of the "Will of the People."
What do you do for a living? You are clearly anti-American because you do not believe in the inherent rights Americans are supposed to have, the right to speak out, the duty to protest, the right to REVOLUTION is written into the constitution. You are talking about civil war if you are talking about taking to the streets to take away your fellow Americans' rights. So what "hard work" do you do to "earn" your money?
Try reading the Constitution. It only contains a right to amend it by following certain procedures.
Whoa... the right of revolution is INHERENT in the Constitution. Geez... learn to read.
America's never had a civil war... or a revolution, only defensive revolts. Occupy might be a civil war in the sense that it is a non violent (so far) discussion betwixt parties of opposition.
It's "American" versus every known form of degenerate that has ever existed.
are you retarted? "America's never had a civil war... or a revolution, only defensive revolts" have u heard of the American Civil War?
Yea it wasn't a civil war in any sense... it was just a continuation of the Rev... and the Rev wasn't a revolution in the sense of revolt... it was in defense of an already possessed freedom.
"Discussion betwixt parties of opposition"
Who's having the discussion? And what other parties are they talking to?
You are a complete hypocrite haha everything you all want does not believe in the Constitution
i notice you had a lot of criticism for the movement but what do you think of the current state of our society? how do you propose to change it. for 30 years the gap between rich and poor has been increasing, for 30 years corporate taxes have been decreasing, and the systems solution - make corporations pay less?? it's just inane. they already have more money on their balance sheets than they know what to do with.
Notwithstanding what is being preached at your teach-ins, there will always be winners and losers, rich and poor, or commissars and proles (productive or parasitic). I appreciate "our society," such as it is, because it gave me an opportunity to work and study hard in order to make a good living. That opportunity is all that anyone can hope to preserve, and I see no reason to tear down the whole system because I might not like one particular result that it has generated, whether in my own case or in someone else's. That would be utter selfishness, which I assume you deplore.
I could care less about the size of "the gap between rich and poor." First, the poor in this country live better than anywhere else and far better than they did when I was young. Second, I think that it is clear that a rising general standard of living is only achievable where the system permits individuals to create and keep wealth. What Obama and the other "levelers" ignore is that reducing everyone to the same standard of living would inevitably reduce everyone (excepting always the commissars) to quite a miserable existence.
the problem with arguements like yours is that you confuse individual morality and ethics with societies responsibilities. no one should disagree witht he virtues of working and studying hard. no one should expect a hand out. but society does have responsibilities to enhance social mobility and if you think social mobility has done anything but drastically decrease in this country than your are just ignorant of the economic facts. and furthermore you refuse to admit the hypocrisy of the right wing attitudes you support. the middle class wasn't bailed out it was wall street. the goal of government is to create a better society. if giving corporation less and less of a financial responsibility over the past 30 years. then maybe that's not the anwer.
Slaps hand to forehead Clearmountain, why is this always the only response to critiques of the movement's lack of an action plan? That we who question the lack of leadership, the lack of a specific action plan are somehow "not getting it." That if we nudge Occupy to actually DO something to effect change, then we're the ones who are apathetic because we are not chanting the 99% mantra. I don't understand why OWS supporters always have a freak-out whenever someone asks for a plan or offers ideas for one (marching on Washington, enacting new legislation re campaign reform).
And don't give me that horse-flap about "the movement's only 2 months old!" We're in the information age now, people. Ten years ago, yeah, okay, two months may not be long enough for a movement to fester. But now with blogs, Tweets, status updates, YouTubes … nah, this is more than enough time to coagulate.
Why aren't all the Zuccotti Park campers heading on the road with that small group of marchers going to DC, for one thing?
Hey stupid, we are part of the movement and those posting on this forum and the other few hundred forums are not in the streets or at least most aren't. That is the "The vast majority of ordinary decent citizens" of whom you think to speak for.
This is what we want for starters:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-one-demand-we-all-agree-on/
http://www.nycga.net/groups/political-and-electoral-reform/docs/amendment-28-to-the-constitution-of-the-united-states-of-america
It is called taking our country back. By the way stupid, I don't need a permit to exercise my Constitutional Rights.
meesa, same question to you. do you think anything is wrong with the system? if you don't then there really is nothing to talk about. if you have suggestions on how they should protest then PLEASE we wait with baited breath.... actually I won't hold my breath
I asume that you meant "bated breath." Otherwise, I feel sorry for anyone standing too close.
ha ha, yes your right. i have to use that phrase one day "bait breath!"
The NYPD has already done that at Zuccotti Plaza. Our task now is to re-occupy the plaza with sleeping bags and tents and take back our home and community.
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And just like the last Rev, the jobless poor will fight this revolution, too.
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