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Forum Post: What the Real List of Occupy Wall Street Demands Should Be

Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 7, 2011, 10:40 a.m. EST by rmmo (262)
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Although Occupy Wall Street has no list of demands yet. I have some suggestions. What should be on the list is the massive "wealth redistribution" that has gone on for the last 30 years. With the decline of unions and the lowering of the marginal tax rates from 90% in 1950's to 36% now, all of the nation's wealth has been paid out at the top to the corporate executives.

The middle class spends their wealth on goods/services and the corporations have redistributed their wealth by paying their profits all out to the executives and shareholders. Middle class wages have stagnated for 30 years while executive wages have gone up 256% in since 1980. Even last year executive compensation went up another 11%. The top 1% now controls over 42% of the entire nation's wealth. We have not seen numbers like this since the great depression. The top 10% controls 70% of the entire nation's wealth. All of our nation's wealth has been redistributed into the hands of the few.

The middle class was roped into replacing wages with easy credit. So instead of paying people living wages, corporations fooled us into thinking we were doing well and could afford things by giving us easy credit instead of wages. Instead of having wages to buy t.v.'s, furniture, etc. we were given easy loans. So the middle class became a debtor class. There used to be a tax disincentive to paying out all of corporate profits at the top because in the 1950's income was taxed at 90% over a certain amount money and now that tax disincentive has disappeared. In 1950's the highest marginal tax rate was 90%. In 1960-1970's it was 70%. In 1980's it dropped to 49%. In 1990's dropped to 39%. Under George Bush it dropped to a mere 36%. We have had over 30 years of massive tax cuts for the wealthy.

There is now no tax disincentive to paying out all of the corporate wealth at the top. And there is no employee bargaining power because now less than 12% of all of our jobs are unionized. Corporate profits are at an all time high, healthcare company profits are at an all time high, and oil profits are at an all time high. We don't have a healthcare crisis we have a healthcare company profit-taking crisis that no politician will doing anything about. Healthcare and oil companies have enjoyed a decade of record profits while we have had a decade of massive premiums for little coverage and a decade of outrageous gas prices.

The problems are: 1) deregulation of the banks by the Republican-controlled congress in 1999; 2) hedge funds are exempt from regulation; 3) tax system no longer has a disincentive against paying outrageous executive salaries (highest marginal tax rate has dropped from 90% to 36%); 4) commodities market is exempt from regulation (Republican-controlled Congress exempted it in the Commodities Future Modernization act of 2000); 5) the Supreme Court has ruled that corporations can spend unlimited funds in campaign elections (thus politicians on both sides favor the wealthy/corporations) and 6) the rise of corporate/billionaire propaganda media "news." Because of the need to raise massive sums in politics today, we no longer have a party that represents the people. The Democrats have to chase the corporate and big money donors too.

What can we do about this: 1) re-instate Glass-Steagall Act regulating the banks; 2) regulate hedge funds and the commodities market (because the commodities market is not regulated speculation has caused prices for commodities to go through the roof); 3) get rid of the money in politics (have federally funded elections with clear limits on spending and no outside groups allowed to have ads); 4) get rid of 1980's laws stating that corporations' only duty is to maximize shareholder profits; and 5) regulate "news" channels and newspapers (no more "slanted opinion news" masquerading as hard news) and reinstitute the fairness doctrine across all news outlets to ensure that both sides get equal time.

Corporations should have duties to society and to their workers too. They should have to balance their duties to maximize shareholder profits against their reinstated duties to their employees and to society. The laws saying that corporations' only duty is to maximize shareholder profits have led to the destruction of long-term business plans and care for their workers and have created short-term profit monsters at the expense of workers and society.

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[-] 1 points by Murrayv (9) 13 years ago

To IMissW - the 50% figure was from only one year - 2009, as a direct result of the ecfonomy, and the zero was federal taxes only. Those people still paid FICA, plus state and sales taxes, which many of them can ill afford, and to imply that they are dead-beats is just ignorant. Also the weaLTHY HAVE BENEFITED FAR MORE FROM THE ADVANTAGES AND OPPORTUNITIES OF LIVING IN aMERICA (sorry, caps lock, I wasn't shouting), so should be happy to pay more. Interestingly the progressive wealthy are now expressing a will or even wish to pay more. It is only the mean-minded and regressive Americans that share your distorted view. You have been drinking the conservative kool-aid.

[-] 1 points by Murrayv (9) 13 years ago

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[-] 1 points by Murrayv (9) 13 years ago

rmmo, you have it exactly right, but I would respectfully suggest a coupolem of changes/additions -

3 should be #1 - that is the single highest priority

In addition to reinstating G-S the too big to fail banks need to be broken up Derivatives regulation neds to specifically disallow any form of hedging where the investor does not own the underlying liability High Frequency Trading by computer algorithm should be ouitlawed or heavily taxed

4 should require corporations to recognize "the triple bottom line" and report results vs goals (covered in your last paragraph)_

One more point: All political economic advisors should be required to take a course and pass an exam om Modern Money Theory (MMT).(You can google it)

[-] 1 points by Murrayv (9) 13 years ago

rmmo, you have it exactly right, but I would respectfully suggest a coupolem of changes/additions -

3 should be #1 - that is the single highest priority

In addition to reinstating G-S the too big to fail banks need to be broken up Derivatives regulation neds to specifically disallow any form of hedging where the investor does not own the underlying liability High Frequency Trading by computer algorithm should be ouitlawed or heavily taxed

4 should require corporations to recognize "the triple bottom line" and report results vs goals (covered in your last paragraph)_

One more point: All political economic advisors should be required to take a course and pass an exam om Modern Money Theory (MMT).(You can google it)

[-] 1 points by Murrayv (9) 13 years ago

rmmo, you have it exactly right, but I would respectfully suggest a coupolem of changes/additions -

3 should be #1 - that is the single highest priority

In addition to reinstating G-S the too big to fail banks need to be broken up Derivatives regulation neds to specifically disallow any form of hedging where the investor does not own the underlying liability High Frequency Trading by computer algorithm should be ouitlawed or heavily taxed

4 should require corporations to recognize "the triple bottom line" and report results vs goals (covered in your last paragraph)_

One more point: All political economic advisors should be required to take a course and pass an exam om Modern Money Theory (MMT).(You can google it)

[-] 1 points by Murrayv (9) 13 years ago

rmmo, you have it exactly right, but I would respectfully suggest a coupolem of changes/additions -

3 should be #1 - that is the single highest priority

In addition to reinstating G-S the too big to fail banks need to be broken up Derivatives regulation neds to specifically disallow any form of hedging where the investor does not own the underlying liability High Frequency Trading by computer algorithm should be ouitlawed or heavily taxed

4 should require corporations to recognize "the triple bottom line" and report results vs goals (covered in your last paragraph)_

One more point: All political economic advisors should be required to take a course and pass an exam om Modern Money Theory (MMT).(You can google it)

[-] 1 points by Murrayv (9) 13 years ago

rmmo, you have it exactly right, but I would respectfully suggest a coupolem of changes/additions -

3 should be #1 - that is the single highest priority

In addition to reinstating G-S the too big to fail banks need to be broken up Derivatives regulation neds to specifically disallow any form of hedging where the investor does not own the underlying liability High Frequency Trading by computer algorithm should be ouitlawed or heavily taxed

4 should require corporations to recognize "the triple bottom line" and report results vs goals (covered in your last paragraph)_

One more point: All political economic advisors should be required to take a course and pass an exam om Modern Money Theory (MMT).(You can google it)

[-] 1 points by Murrayv (9) 13 years ago

rmmo, you have it exactly right, but I would respectfully suggest a coupolem of changes/additions -

3 should be #1 - that is the single highest priority

In addition to reinstating G-S the too big to fail banks need to be broken up Derivatives regulation neds to specifically disallow any form of hedging where the investor does not own the underlying liability High Frequency Trading by computer algorithm should be ouitlawed or heavily taxed

4 should require corporations to recognize "the triple bottom line" and report results vs goals (covered in your last paragraph)_

One more point: All political economic advisors should be required to take a course and pass an exam om Modern Money Theory (MMT).(You can google it)

[-] 1 points by rmmo (262) 13 years ago

And another one that should be one the list is making our regulators actually regulate industry. Our regulators have been far too cozy with industry. Our regulators failed to regulate Wall Street and are failing to regulate at every level.

We are becoming China. Take Johnson & Johnson for example. Their plants in the US were so bad and had no controls over their making of drugs such as Tylenol, Motrin, and Benadryl that they had to start to secretly rebuy their drugs off of the shelves in 2008 (a phantom or shadow recall).

They denied that they were conducting a secret recall but later documents showed it was true. So people had bought and were using products that they were secretly re-buying off of the shelves because they were defective and they failed to alert people. What does the government do? It takes years to do anything and finally years later mount a congressional investigation in 2010.

Eventually, in 2010 the government finally got around to shutting the J&J plants down that were making those drugs. How was J&J, producing the drugs in America, allowed to get away for years with selling contaminated drugs that had metal pieces, bacteria, bad chemicals, more or less than the active ingredients in the bottle, and so on. Because the government no longer protects us. The government is too cozy with industry and Congress has stripped the FDA and other protective agencies of any power to protect us. Government's job is not to be cozy with business it is to protect us. Money in politics has ruined this.

Try to go buy Motrin. You can't because J&J (one of the most trusted American companies) sold us contaminated products for years. Didn't really hear about this, the shadow recall, or the take over of the J&J plants? You probably didn't because our media is controlled by billionaires and our government dropped the ball for a decade and will continue to be cozy with our giant corporations. Think the J&J CEO would have gotten fired over this? You are wrong, he got a merit pay increase. Now that's America. At least the one that it starting to resemble China.

Were you afraid, like me, to buy Chinese products because they lack proper controls and might be faulty? Did you instead by products by the trusted American company Johnson & Johnson because we here in the US think that we have a government protecting us. Well, you have been duped. Money in politics has eliminated that and the billionaires want you to think that further deregulation is the way to save us. They already have made it so our government refuses to protect us.

[-] 1 points by RabelaisianRabble (10) 13 years ago

Ban political parties.

[-] 1 points by rmmo (262) 13 years ago

For as much as their one does for us, we probably should. Because of money in politics, the politicians serve only special interests with wealth and power. You really have a novel idea. People should have to run on their own platforms without parties.

[-] 1 points by IMissW (7) 13 years ago

How about the other 50% of Americans pay taxes too! How can it be fair that you say the wealthy do not pay their fair share of taxes but 50% of Americans pay NO taxes, get free cell phones, free food, utility assistance, pell grants, low income grants, welfare, medicaid, and (20% of the 50%) get a tax refund for more than they paid!!! Isnt that just as unfair? Let's just all stay home and draw a government check and live under the same bridge!

[-] 1 points by rmmo (262) 13 years ago

Here is a mind blowing but true number. The bottom 50% of Americans now control less than 2% of the entire nation's wealth. So, you want the people that now control less than 2% of the entire nation's wealth to pay more taxes? I think that IMissW is a robo comment by billionaire propaganda. The same robo comment was left numerous times. Watch our for this robo commenter.

[-] 1 points by IMissW (7) 13 years ago

How about the other 50% of Americans pay taxes too! How can it be fair that you say the wealthy do not pay their fair share of taxes but 50% of Americans pay NO taxes, get free cell phones, free food, utility assistance, pell grants, low income grants, welfare, medicaid, and (20% of the 50%) get a tax refund for more than they paid!!! Isnt that just as unfair? Let's just all stay home and draw a government check and live under the same bridge!

[-] 1 points by IMissW (7) 13 years ago

How about the other 50% of Americans pay taxes too! How can it be fair that you say the wealthy do not pay their fair share of taxes but 50% of Americans pay NO taxes, get free cell phones, free food, utility assistance, pell grants, low income grants, welfare, medicaid, and (20% of the 50%) get a tax refund for more than they paid!!! Isnt that just as unfair? Let's just all stay home and draw a government check and live under the same bridge!

[-] 1 points by rmmo (262) 13 years ago

Here is a mind blowing but true number. The bottom 50% of Americans now control less than 2% of the entire nation's wealth. So, you want the people that now control less than 2% of the entire nation's wealth to pay more taxes?

[-] 1 points by rmmo (262) 13 years ago

The bottom 70% of the nation only has 7% of the entire nation's wealth. So you want them to pay the same percentage of taxes as the top 10% percent who now control over 70% of the entire nation's wealth. All of our wealth has been redistributed to the wealthy. The executives have given the middle class no wage increases in 30 years while they have taken the company profits and redistributed the middle class money spent on their goods and services and given the profits all to themselves.

[-] 1 points by gina (10) 13 years ago

http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-m oveme/

14) We will not engage in war unless attacked. If attacked the crime scene will not have evidence carted away and send to other places (as they did when they sent steel to a Chinese company for recycling before anyone could do any testing on it). We will have an independent body of investigators who investigate these attacks. If the shadow govt. people interfere, put THEM in the FEMA camps.

15) Other than crooked shadow govt. personnel, nobody else will be forcibly sent to a FEMA camp, in a natural disaster emergency, people will be invited to go there but they have a choice. Take the locked gates, and the barbwire facing inwards off the existing facilities, refugees should be able to freely come and go using it for temporary shelter while they get their lives back together.

16) Stop the drone program.

17) Revoke the anti-Constitutional legilslation that was passed during the Bush administration years.

18) End groping, strip searches, and unlawful harassment, detainment at airports.

19) End the EEOC quota system whereby people are hired because of their race when they are not qualified by skills to hold the job.

20) National id cards ONLY if they do not have RFID chips included. No forced implementation of RFID chip identification in passports or anything else.

21) End forced vaccinations.

[-] 1 points by Pipparona (4) 13 years ago

Lets take the $ out of the election process.

[-] 1 points by rmmo (262) 13 years ago

Agreed!

[-] 1 points by rmmo (262) 13 years ago

To continue, for 30 years corporations have been shafting their workers. Workers moved from having pensions to having 401ks that they had to fund themselves and that allow wall street to gamble with their retirement funds. Workers have gone from having paid for healthcare coverage to having to pay more and more of their own coverage. Workers have had to work harder and harder and work more hours. Worker "productivity" is at an all time high in the U.S. And, at the same time middle class salaries have not gone up in 30 years. The only reason the middle class did not realize this is that the wealthy and corporate america got the brilliant idea that they could loan the middle class money instead of paying them money. They said let them eat credit.

[-] 1 points by IMissW (7) 13 years ago

How about the other 50% of Americans pay taxes too! How can it be fair that you say the wealthy do not pay their fair share of taxes but 50% of Americans pay NO taxes, get free cell phones, free food, utility assistance, pell grants, low income grants, welfare, medicaid, and (20% of the 50%) get a tax refund for more than they paid!!! Isnt that just as unfair? Let's just all stay home and draw a government check and live under the same bridge!

[-] 1 points by rmmo (262) 13 years ago

This must be a billionaire robo reply. They now have software that allows fake robo comments to create the impression that people think a certain way that is in line with their interests. What out for robo comments. They usually are better hidden than this.

[-] 1 points by IMissW (7) 13 years ago

You can direct your own investment in a 401(k), Move to China where you can make $2 a day!

[-] 1 points by rmmo (262) 13 years ago

We are becoming China. Do you even realize what is going on? Take Johnson & Johnson for example. Their plants in the US were so bad and had no controls over their making of drugs such as Tylenol, Motrin, and Benadryl that they had to start to secretly rebuy their drugs off of the shelves in 2008 (a phantom or shadow recall). Eventually, in 2010 the government finally got around to shutting the J&J plants down that were making those drugs. How was J&J, producing the drugs in America, allowed to get away for years with selling contaminated drugs that had metal pieces, bacteria, bad chemicals, more or less than the active ingredients in the bottle, and so on. Because the government no longer protects us. The government is too cozy with industry and Congress has stripped the FDA and other protective agencies of any power to protect us. Government's job is not to be cozy with business it is to protect us. Money in politics has ruined this.

Try to go buy Motrin. You can't because J&J (one of the most trusted American companies) sold us contaminated products for years.

Didn't really hear about this, the show recall, or the take over of the J&J plants? You probably didn't because our media is controlled by billionaires and our government dropped the ball for a decade and will continue to be cozy with our giant corporations. Think the J&J CEO would have gotten fired over this? You are wrong, he got a merit pay increase. Now that's America. At least the one that it starting to resemble China.

[-] 1 points by rmmo (262) 13 years ago

They are trying to turn us into China right now. Where is all of the pressure? On workers to give more and more. There is no pressure on the real wealth redistribution that has gone on under our noses. What does billionaire propaganda media want you to believe? That you just have to keep cutting taxes and regulations that protect workers and consumers to get out of this mess -- the exact problems that got us into this mess.