Forum Post: What is with all the Canadians on this forum?
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 5, 2011, 12:34 a.m. EST by MikeyD
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from Alameda, CA
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With Canadians occupying Wall St, I'm thinking it is our northern border we need to militarize, not the southern one.
If they can't keep their rebellious Quebecois under control, should we really accept their political unrest spilling over onto our shores?
We need to send I.C.E. through Zuccotti park to check for proof of citizenship. Those failing to produce proof of citizenship fall under United States Code, Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 115. Nobody liked it when we did this shit in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, not sure why we should put up with it now.
2.8 million Canadians live in the U.S. 1 million Americans live in Canada Canada is your largest trading partner OWS is a WORLDWIDE movement which means you have all kinds of nationalities looking in and participating in the movement. What is wrong with that? Afraid this Alberta redneck is coming to get you? LOL
Well said.
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I don't understand your logic.
I agree with pairiegrist's point that some Canadians live in America and vice versa. I also agree that OWS is a worldwide phenomenon. And I agree that hearing the viewpoints from people of diverse cultures and nations, all being affected by the movement, is beneficial to us all. The more we know, the more power we have.
I don't see how agreeing with these things has anything to do with being for or against the anarchy. Do you care to explain your reasoning?
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Well, I don't. I can't comprehend your logic. For one, most or your arguments don't hold at all. And for seconds, you've just spent an hour discussing the issues with a Canadian when your position is that you want Canadians out of the discussion.
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If you want Canadians out of your politics, why are you wasting time in a discussion forum? Shouldn't you be at Zuccotti with a big sign that reads - "This group is led by Canadian anarchists. Go home!" In any case, I don't think Canadians will stop being involved in your politics as long as you keep being involved in the politics of Canada and other countries around the world. Why don't you set an example by demanding the full withdrawal of US troops from all countries and foreign bases? That would be a good start.
you do know we all live on one planet right? a few randomly constructed barriers through years of imperialism means all of jack shit in the grand scheme of things....
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Pax Americana - Nice oxymoron. I like the latin touch. You're a a real jester.
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I already know what it is. I think it's a myth and an oxymoron. Giving guys like you a guns doesn't pave the way to world peace.
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canada please help us
The Canadians and Mexicans share close, intimate ties, with us and it is a good thing that they take an interest in me, as I should take an interest in them and want the best for Canadians and Mexicans, as they should want the best for me. The Global economy does not have to be utterly exploitative and abusive, as it is now. Canadians and Mexicans are human beings, not intangible assets. What we should start checking for is anti-social personality disorder and other related disorders. Humans as intangible assets? Yeah, whatever you say Buffalo Bill! We need to clear out the Bernie Madoff f-ckers and the evil is right, if evil is money, crowd! [eek!]
Are you sure you are at the right protest? Globalization and the Global economy are largely responsible for wage stagnation in the US and the outrageous profit margins of Wall St. Odd to hear an OWS "protester" singing the praises of globalization.
I understand to its breadth and depth the nature of the problem and I hold professional credentials in the study of International Business, in point of fact. The rank and file Canadian or Mexican is not responsible for the abuses that we observe and there is no reason why Canada, Mexico and the USA could not maintain very high standards for all persons, living within a common and open, boarder-less North American economy; where through regulation and incentive, we could observe a high standard of living, for most, if not all, people.
Opportunity makes the thief, the thief without opportunity is an honest man. The Nations of the World do not have to be f-cked by I-bankers and Corporate raiders. Globalization did not have to look like this, not be a long shot. The US Government is not forced to enter in to sh-tty trade deals. Did Bill Clinton f-ck his own life up? Did Bush or Obama decide to be permanently unemployable? They want to be on the payroll of Wall Street and big business, to lobby for oil companies. They want to destroy the future for the average American, because they are mothf-ckers, sociopaths and scum. If they thought that it was a good idea to leave two US generations jobless and poor, then they should have their kids be jobless and poor. How is that the fault of the average Canadian or Mexican, though?
The average central American makes $1. -$2 an hour. Open borders, with or without big companies, means wage stagnation. We have already decimated our construction industry. Landscape, manual labor of almost any kind. Minimum wage jobs kids used to occupy.
People making 1-2 dollars an hour will do almost anything for a job that pays 8$ an hour. Unfettered globalization is a terrific way to lower the standard of living for Americans and export our wealth to the benefit of our poorer neighbors.
For a guy who understands the breadth and depth of the problem, one would think you could understand the basic logic of that.
Mike, no one forced the US Government to agree to an abusive Global system. No one forces anyone to be a scum bag Mike. After everything I have been through, I retain emotional intelligence and I can empathize with people, even if I do not sympathize with them. Senator Frank Lautenberg and his step daughter, Danielle, might not empathize with me, when I asked them for help, (I knew his step daughter, since third grade) but I would have helped her, if it was the other way around, because I am not a motherf-cker Mike. I am struggling to keep my humanity, I am afraid that, if my misery continues, I will become a sociopath, I really am Mike, but I am not that f-cked up, at least not yet.
No one stopped the US Government from insisting that Mexicans be paid what Americans are paid. No one stopped the US Government from doing right by the American people and the Mexican people, but the US Government; Corporate America and Wall Street are not branches of Government and Congress can amend the Constitution tomorrow, putting an end to lobbying. No one forces the Government to be on the take, but the US Government. Senator Bernie Sanders is ready to do the right thing, tonight, where are his colleagues?
Sen. Sanders is a lunatic on more than a few issues.
Asking that Mexicans be paid what Americans are paid would have resulted in no globalization whatsoever. Same for china. You can't pay the Chinese what Americans are getting paid, and still have them be competitive after shipping.
I'll grant you that we have gone about it all wrong. I'll grant you that we need to change how we are continuing to go about it, so long as you can admit that mandating US compensation levels in foreign lands for them to obtain trade contracts is untenable to the point of making trade deals prohibitive.
No, trade deals are not prohibitive. There is always an incentive to build up economic markets, even if they are not competing. Growing your consumer market is essential to sustaining growth in shareholder value. We could do business, under regulation, that would not be the free for all, f-ck humanity, insanity we have now, but it would ensure that I live at a very high standard of living, by my standards. It is a good life, living in Scarsdale NY, with an upper middle class career, especially. It is not what Paris Hilton would be used to, but it is a very nice life Mike. Professionals, around the World, could live like that and the working class could work into the middle class. There is no need to make workers compete for the same job, that is a fallacy.
If the Nations of the World insisted on high standards there would still be trade deals, as there is always a good reason to service an ever growing consumer market. Governments just have to impose the conditions and Global business will follow and make money. What held back investment in the East was commend economics and the Cold War. Exploitation can be done away with, using regulations. Eddie Rickenbacker worked three shifts, a day, six days a week, in a factory, at the age of 13. The Government put an end to that exploitation, an end to Say's Law, an end to the Guilded Age and the USA emerged a Super Power, not too shabby.
Carlos Slim does a nice business without having to deal with the US whatsoever. Riddle me this. How are you going to talk him into complying with US labor laws for a share of US business? How are you going to enforce that?
We can't even get China to enforce the intellectual property laws which are an absolute pre-req to any foreign trade we currently do.
The US Government can, through regulation, help keep salaries and work standards, artificially high, in the USA , in a similar process to the way we keep salaries of medical doctors, artificially high, since no one is paying an MD half a million US dollars in China, unless they are working as a high paid escort on the side and brain drain the whole damn World, right onto our shores, impose our laws on the global workforce and tell Corporations to suck it. If they don't want to make money off of that scheme, I will and f-ck them. What about manufacturing? I can automate manufacturing and get rid of those wonderful jobs in Indian, Mexico and China.
What is Carlos Slim going to do about that? [giggle] The US Government does not have to go along with cutting its own throat, they can be dicks just like the Chinese stealing intellectual property are dicks. They can say what Mickey Rourke said in that movie, "I am not a victim, I victimize." [grin] If the US Government needs something to tell Carlos Slim, I have a story, that I always start it in the middle, because the beginning and the end are unessential. The story goes, then the cat turned to the mouse and said, "I have needs, too." That is it, that is the whole story. Let's see James Cameron turn that into a four hour movie! [wink] If Carlos Slim can't live in a World where we are successful, where the people of the World can live at a high standard of living and the USA is powerful, he can always commit suicide.
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Imports? Priced out of what market? I am flooding the World into the USA and eventually North America, once I get a boarder-less North America going. Foreign Nations can suck it. The World would be pressed into North America. The other countries would grow weak, their pilots would give me joy rides in J 20's. [giggle] Do you think that Washington would not consider this? This idea is not entirely my own. A Harvard Business School big shot, capable of tracing his lineage back to the Mayflower, was discussing flooding the USA with the population of Brazil. Similar ideas to mine are under consideration, in high places, if sh-t comes to shove. [wink] If you think that the Globalists and their grand vision can't get f-cked, hey, everyone can get f-cked. [giggle] There is nothing sure in this World, as Billy Idol pointed out. [grin]
Have a good night Mike. It was a pleasure chatting with you. Let us do it again some time. S! MJ
I think the most reasonable response is nuclear war.
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you are part of the problem not the solution and you've got way to much time on your hands. does your mom know that you're posting to this forum?
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You are a liar and a propagandist. What do you do for a living? Why are you so desperate to sabotage this movement? Scared?
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Who would argue with lies? If someone tells lies, you call them a liar. What I really want to know is what evil bullshit you do to "earn" your money. What do you do?
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Why are you afraid to tell me what you do for a living? I know, because it would expose who you really are, a greed-driven hypocritical fuck.
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I'm glad you're ashamed of what you do, because I am sure you should be.
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What do you do?
"MikeyD" is a PAID TROLL, i.e. a parasite of society.
Get a REAL JOB, MikeyD, earn an HONEST living
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Let me guess, you are either a lackey for the rich or your paycheck is funded by tax money.
You definitely get paid with tax money, making you a full of shit hypocrite.
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Canadians are very welcome here, something we can't say any longer about the ruling elite.
They should be welcome here, it's a Canadian website.
A lot of hostility at the top of this page. I guess you now understand how other nations feel when America imposes their foreign policy. That aside, I agree that it is intrusive for others to but their noses into others' business. Although, what happens in America does affect the rest of the world. So in that respect, they DO have SOME say... Excluding voting of course. I'll also add that any disrespectful conduct in protests shouldn't be tolerated.
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I understand. Though Canadians are generally respectable people, maybe it's time to politely ask them to leave and continue their agenda in a more politically appropriate manner? That SHOULD do it.
Its not all Canadians, its not even a lot of them, though there are certainly a large number of opinionated Canadians. It is a handful of Canadian Anarchists based in Quebec. Probably some of the same people creating so much unrest in Quebec for so long.
I suspect this problem will resolve itself once more Americans get an idea of who manages OWS funds.
China is bluffing that they are doing so well. They are the verge of a major collapse seeing as a bunch of small to mid level companies disappeared over night (their bank is very mysterious and seems to be doing major illegal activities.....besides the obvious ones) But are you claiming you would prefer a country designed like China compared to yr. current one? Are you claiming that national economic efficiency is more preferable than caring for the individual's welfare? Well SEIG HEIL! My mechanical totalitarian nationalistic supporter. MY COUNTRY COUNTRY UBER ALLES! UBER ALLES IN DA WARROLD!
O and by the way......."yr" country seems to like to butt into the country i'm currently residing in's buisness alot too. Please educate yr.self before you go off on yr. "defend the status quo/hive" insectoid rants. Thanks!
What creative wit! You should be working with some sort of television or geopolitics satire writing. Don't mind MikeyD, he's just a little more meat and potatoes. Not too many people know that China is just putting on a brave face while secretly scrambling. Where did you get your info from? I'd like to read more on the subject.
Your fellow human being
Leynna
if you'd just follow the little link under this writing you'll get up to speed. there is much much more though i can provide on this matter and anything else for that matter.
http://the-diplomat.com/2011/11/03/swimming-naked-in-china/ - for info from my remarks on china.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2011/05/chinas_economy_1
http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2011/10/chinas-economy-0
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonchang/2011/09/25/is-chinas-economy-contracting/
Thanks kindly! Looks like I'll be busy for a while!
Dude. Turn down the drug supply. You were doing better at selling a new name for global warming. It made you sound slightly more intelligent and tremendously more lucid. Here you just sound like a babbling idiot.
So you lack a sense of humor & insight.........I can dig that.
I'm glad we understand each other.
http://the-diplomat.com/2011/11/03/swimming-naked-in-china/ - for my remarks on china.
i wish i could find a nice article on the mass psychology of hive politics.........i could only think of a few ethical philosophers but you might not have the time. Ah o well.
If you don't want Canadians around, why are you posting on this Canadian website? It's quite ironic.
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Is it surprising to find Canadians on a Canadian website? It seems absolutely normal to me. I would find it strange if none were here. If you want to exchange ideas with Americans, you should probably be on an American website. No?
BTW - You forgot to include the Canadian moderators in your list.
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Again, I don't believe it was ever hidden.
alright both 10 and 12......really moving on up in the world. And besides i don't consider myself a Canadian anyways. Don't have a Passport. Perhaps a Homo Sapien born at certain Latitudes and Longitudes on a Backwards Ass Planet in the Milky Way. But certainly NOT a Canadian. Nice try though.
They are Deserters of US citizens.
Trace your family lineage back and you will find that all Americans are foreigners....... Don't hate on people.
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I'm not Canadian hehe. I'm an American and where a website is hosted does not bother me. Our ideology in America is all about free market right? "a double edged sword?"
I apologize for not being more intelligent in posting my opinions. I will keep that in mind in the future.
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Yes I am. I guess we "Americans" should stay out of all foreign elections then right? I know what you are getting at....deport all the Canadian protestors in the movement, let an American company host OWS....? Or just abandon it all together?
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I can see where you are coming from. However, United States politics not only affects American lives, but it actually reaches to the farthest reaches of the globe. I think whoever is affected should be able to speak out in the faces of those who are responsible. Speaking words is not a crime and standing behind or standing up for others who are united in agreement over issues is not wrong.
Remember the name of the game. "Divide and Conquer" They want us to think with borders. We actually have more in common with other people across the world than we do with many of the people in our own country.
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You got it. It does not matter what people say, but they can say it. Whether they have a say or not they can still say it.
But I agree with you that they really do not have a say. I guess we were just arguing the same point from different angles.
Its funny American wages in China are higher than American wages in the USA. Whats up with that?
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I wish Americans adopted the same line of reasoning to build arguments against US getting involved in the politics of other countries. Instead, most or your taxes are pumped into your military so you can mold the world stage to your biding. Like cowboys, you just attack without waiting for consensus between your allies. How do you expect your claims to be taken seriously when America is the country that meddles the most in the affairs of other nations. It's quite ironic.
WMDeeeeeeeeS! WMDeeeeeeeeS
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Just a response to the first paragraph.
Um, what about Kosovo, Afghanistan, Guatemala, Puerto Rico, Panama, Venezuela, etc.
Also, American foreign policy goes a little bit like: if foreign countries don't approve of Americas intervention - Americas answer, Sanctions. If America doesn't approve of a foreign country's intervention - Americas answer, Veto. A little one-sided don't you think?
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Come on! I know you can come with a better rebuttal than that.
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I believe you need to study your history. It boggles my mind that you don't realize you created unrest in Iraq, and that this war was started illegally with the lie that weapons of mass destruction would be found. A lie which was used to invade Iraq so that Mr. Bushes friends could get huge contracts to "rebuild" the nation while US became more and more in debt. What about Israel? What about the coups all around the world? Do you live with your head hidden in the sand. Your ignorance is bewildering.
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If you can't see a conflict of interest between a father/son Presidential duo who own oil companies and their invasion of Iraq, then, by God, I believe you cannot be saved. You need to buy Logic and Reasoning for Dummies.
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Bush Sr. did not want to overthrow Saddam. He believed that by taking his army away he would be able to corrupt him. He wasn't, and that's why his son went in to finish the job. They're into oil, not helping humanity. They never cared about the Kurds. If you think they did, well, you're very naïve. If you think Canadians are the ones who stopped Bush Sr. from finishing off Saddam, then, what can I say other than pick up some books. Canadian politics aren't that strong. We can't stop you from invading countries illegally. NATO can't either.
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As an American, I know I better be nice to my Canadian brothers/sisters... it is only a matter of time before the political and economic instability here in the US reaches a point where I may need to start singing their tune.
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MiKEYD, you never disappoint!
To be fair, I was chatting with a Canadian today and found that their nationalized health care plan is both saner and more free (as in freedom) than ours.
It's still outside of what is outlined in our Constitution but Obama went above and beyond on our plan comparatively...
This is the worst post i have seen here to date. We are all North Americans, this is not how we should be treating each other. We should be tring to bring Canadians and Americans together.
If you knew the valor of the Canadians during WWII, you would be ashamed of your remarks. America should be grateful for such a neighbor.
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Mike, read the words of John Donne. We cannot fight alone.
No man is an island unto himself. Every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as a manor of thy friends or of thine own were; any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind. And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
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They are pro at this type of shit in Montreal.
C'mon. We have plenty of brothers and sisters all over Canada. Fear is not a Canadian problem brother. People are afraid of what is happening, and they are using vitriol and fear to try and distract people from a process that happens every so often in civilizations..... people take back power, and rulers are dethroned. Its natural..it will happen. Regardless of what the Canooks, the Americans, the Brits, the South Africans, the Poles..whoever says.
It only requires opening a history book to see the cycle. Its important to our survival as a species.
Yah we have an electoral process that accommodates that cycle. What we need is to get the Canadians out of the process.
Regardless of your opinion on Canada, dont you think it would be important to first create a civilization where our input is heard? The term 'electoral cycle' suggests your vote even matters.
I think you would be fooling yourself if you think thats the case brother.
You are entitled to your opinion. I'm entitled to disagree. We just elected a black man, one generation removed from Kenya, and you still believe votes don't matter?
Perhaps we are disagreeing on what the election of a black man in America represents. Black people have been elected leaders of countries for a long long time. Longer than white people in fact. Its a recent phenomena in the western world, and I am happy to see that people may be starting to consider that one's color of skin should dictate their ability to lead a country.
However, Obama is a seasoned politician, that happens to be black. Voting for Obama (which I did) was supposed to represent change in America, not black power in America. The change I voted him into office for has not come to be. Attempts at overturning DADT are still being argued in the courts, the numbers of people without health care are increasing because of staggering amounts of unemployment, unemployment benefits are being shut off for people where there are literally no jobs in a community, tax payers have been handed a huge debt to bail out lawless banking, and the aggregate wealth of Congress increased by 200 million dollars (an average increase of 25% per Congress member) during that 'recession' that happened between 2008-2010.
Sure, I can check a box to vote. But, my vote doesnt count. Washington will do whatever Washington wants to do.
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I understand you.
I am just saying that I think civilization has moved to a point where people dont want to be governed by an elite plutocracy. This isnt happening only in America with the Occupy movement, but is happening in uprising around the globe. Give it another month or two, and its going to be recognizable with more demonstrations. Modern governments are capable of meeting the demands of these people anymore. Voting a person into an office, whom can be bought out with money and nobility, is not what can govern the people now. People are calling for unity across the globe to end this cycle of indebted slavery to the governments. Its too obvious to ignore now. That would never change with the current government.
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Wait. Plutocracy has nothing to do with social mobility...it reflects the power of money. Black, white, asian...doesnt matter. All that matters is $$$$$$$
And, no, going through law school, doing all the corrupt shmoozing, etc etc. just to get to Washington and be like one of the other guys is not the way to change a system. The system is dead. It doesnt work for the people, and its not entirely clear that it ever has. Similar to what is happening in other parts of the world, people are bringing their governments down all together (Egypt, Tunisia, unrest in Greece, Italy, Spain). My view is that the same will have to happen here as well.
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lol. c'mon. i'd expect a little bit more class than 'suck it' at the end of a well written comment.
there is nothing stable about the way america does politics. just because the wars are not fought on our soil doesnt mean its not happening. false threats from Islamic territories, false financial crisis from wall street.....is not stable, by any means. we have been HUGELY fortunate in the u.s. being protected by our shield of media and false security. but, this isnt only about america anymore brother. this is about civilization as we know it, ruling classes, and marginalizing those who work hard...
i am writing in bed...and am falling aslepp.....sorry. goodnight
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Listen, when the you-know-what hits the fan and I speak about world-wide economic collapse. It won't matter if you are American, Canadian, a nation part of the EU or not. We are in it together. This is part of globalism. Something happens elsewhere--it CAN affect you. What is now happening in Greece is a perfect example. WE should be very concerned what is going on over there as we will no doubt be affected by it.
You look at Canadians involvement with OWS as being meddlesome., but I say we are all in it together, so stop demonizing them.
We are not in this together, and Greece is a prefect example of why we are not. Greeks don't want austerity. They don't want a retirement age higher than 51. They like things how they are. Germans, have a whole different philosophy, which is why they are carrying Europe. Because of the Euro, they are truly all in this together, or at least they are right now.
Canada and US do not share a Government. We don't even share a currency. We are no where near close to being "In this thing together". You deal with your problems and we will deal with ours.
And in case you haven't a fucking clue what I'm talking about, take a clue from Angela Merkel, talking about this Greek debt crisis and being "In This thing Together".
http://euobserver.com/19/114075
Thats right. When the shit hits the fan, there will be war. At this point it is nearly guaranteed. So pull your head out of your ass and QUIT FUCKING FOMENTING UNREST IN OUR NATION UNLESS YOU WANT TO BECOME A TARGET.
Is that clear enough for you?
You know what you hot-headed windbag I am not even going to give a full response (as it would be a gross waste of my time)other to say you are a narrow-minded idiot if you don't understand Globalism and what we are heading towards.I am not going to waste my time explaining it to you. TAKE A CHILL PILL ALREADY and stop going on the warpath with anyone who disagrees with you or has another kind of perspective.
I must have forgotten to take my political correctness pills this morning, making foreigners creating political instability in my country a thing not to get excited about.
As I pointed out, you don't get a vote, and you certainly don't get to stir up unrest. so back off.
No Cheeseheads allowed!!
it's cold and dark in Canada
they're on the internet
Nothing wrong with Canadians :) well, except it's almost 2012 and they still don't know the difference between ham and bacon. let's help. Ham is.. well ham. but Bacon is... BACON
99% of Americans don't get enough Bacon
Papers, please.
Blame Canada
This is what the masses seem unable to grasp:
If we replace our current leaders with human beings, they will sell out just as far as the current bunch. Our leaders weren't born sold out. Wall Street executives weren't born evil. They were born human. With a natural instinct to gather and store for survival. A natural instinct to care for family and community.
When modern society was formed, we began to sell out our natural instincts. Survival turned into survival with a little more elbow room. Then survival with a little more elbow room and a nice view. Then survival with a little more elbow room, a nice view, and something pretty to hang around our neck.
Fast forward a few thousand years. With the industrial revolution came mechanized transportation, air conditioning, and television.
We had become somewhat spoiled. Somewhat motivated. Still relatively down to Earth. Still modest enough to appreciate one another, care for one another, and work towards a common goal.
Along the way, the potential for increased personal wealth became more and more intoxicating. Now, just about everyone wants to be rich. They want it so badly, they are willing to sell out basic morality to attain it. They WILL sell out basic morality if given the opportunity.
How can I be so sure? That's easy. Human nature plus years of corrupt influence plus opportunity.
Mother Nature did not plan for modern society. She did not plan on such corrupt influence. She never intended for any of us to seek or attain extreme personal wealth. We simply can not process the concept without being corrupted by it. Without compromising basic morality.
Extreme wealth is the single greatest corrupt influence of modern society. With every 'zero' on the paycheck, our basic instincts to care for family and community are compromised.
Those of you who still aren't convinced, consider this:
If God himself gave you the power to end poverty, bring about world peace, and take a bonus of $100,000,000 for yourself, would you do it?
If God himself gave you the power to end poverty, bring about world peace, OR take a bonus of $100,000,000 for yourself, which would you choose?
Not only is the greatest concentration of wealth in world history the single greatest underlying cause of economic instability. The very concept of extreme personal wealth is the most corrupt influence in the history of mankind.
I speak the ugly truth.
There will be no reform on Wall Street.
There will be no recovery for the vast majority.
There will be no government "of the people" and "for the people".
Not one of us will live to see it.
End poverty, World Peace... Wouldn't even hesitate. Hell, I'd pay 100 times that if I had it. Better yet I'd offer God all $60 trillion in existence to do it, even if I had the choice to keep it all.
Do you realize how many Canadians have infiltrated Hollywood? They are using clever comedic skills to put America into a laughing fit. Then, one day all of a sudden, you'll wake up and everything will be in metric.
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what are the Canadians doing that upsets you so??? This post is really vague.
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Isn't that what America does all over the world besides actually invading other countries and torturing their citizens?? This country interferes all over the world and not for the good either. Canadians have a right to save the world from the corporate corruption that controls America.
Manipulating commodity traders have raised the price of food all over the world starving millions. We should all care about that. This country does nothing but destabilize other countries
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you seem like the only person here who is advocating violence. No, people can't believe whatever they want. That is what is wrong with Americans. There are facts in the world. Certain things really have happened. Bills in Congress do say specific things. They don't allow death panels for instance, like the right wing looneys say they do.
This country did torture innocent human beings in violation of international law and our own laws. We did invade IRAQ and Iraq did not have any weapons of mass destruction and they were not involved in 911. We took innocent civilians out of their homes and tortured them at Abu Greb. We are killing thousands of innocent people with drones in Afghanastan. Any newspaper will tell you that. That is not my personal opinion. It is true.
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you have a point that two wrongs don't make a right. But i have seen little meddling from Canada in our affairs. You seem like a troubled and violent person which there are way to many of in the US.
Your gallup poll did a wonderful job of not putting Obama and Bush in a head to head popularity match up, like their poll from a year ago did. I guess they probably really didn't want to know the answer.
since I think the American people are stupid, what they think doesn't really matter much. Looks like they are waking up though. Yes, Pollsters are good at getting the results they want, no one more than Rasmussen.
here's ome stuff I am working on concerning Bush and his push for home ownership and his refusal to investigate FBI reports of fraud in the mortgage industry in 2004. Enlightening, No?
The GOP loves to say the left caused the housing bubble. Here is what Bush did to create it:
President Bush and Home Ownership
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2008/10/president-bush-and-home-ownership/
Bush drive for home ownership fueled housing bubble
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/business/worldbusiness/21iht-admin.4.18853088.html
White House Philosophy Stoked Mortgage Bonfire http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/business/21admin.html
Bush pushes home ownership opportunities for minorities
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2004/03/27/bush_pushes_home_ownership_opportunities_for_minorities/
Bush to push ownership society http://money.cnn.com/2004/09/01/news/economy/election_bush_plan/index.htm
And here is a pretty speech by Bush pushing Home ownership.
Home Ownership and President Bush
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNqQx7sjoS8
FBI warns of mortgage fraud 'epidemic' BANK FRAUD
September 17, 2004|From Terry Frieden CNN Washington Bureau http://articles.cnn.com/2004-09-17/justice/mortgage.fraud_1_mortgage-fraud-mortgage-industry-s-l-crisis?_s=PM:LAW
FBI 2004 mortgage fraud
http://www.bing.com/search?q=FBI+2004+mortgage+fraud&go=&qs=n&sk=&sc=1-23&form=QBRE
Financial Crimes Report to the Public 2005
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/fcs_report2005/fcs_2005
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/11/business/11LEND.html?ei=5070&en=f31e9de1e37a3180&ex=1221969600&pagewanted=all&position=
Educate yourself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sKpzmojjfU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
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Well thanks for engaging in honest debate, MD. I've got to be on my way now. You seem to honestly believe what you express as your views and you do respond to other people's comments; so at least, you do read them and give them consideration, people have to work together to make our country better. Hopefully. a majority of us will find some things we can agree on. We cannot let wholesale corruption destroy what is left of our Democracy
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well enlighten me. How have Canadians influenced our country to a huge degree? Rupert Murdoch has practically destroyed our country. He is from Australia. Why did the GOP let him attain the privilege of having news media in our country when that was forbidden by our laws. He is the one who has brought wide spread ignorance to this country. You should want him out. Now he owns the WSJ also and what about Rev Moon who owns or owned the Washington Times. Now there is influence.
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Bush does not beat Obama in popularity polls today and Obama is viewed by a majority as a better President than Bush
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-12-07/news/27083624_1_approval-rating-highest-rating-george-w-bush
Try to inform yourself before speaking. This poll is a year old, while Obama's numbers were still "Soaring" around 47%. In an Bush v. Obama election held today, Obama would lose. You need to let that sink in.
why didn't the tea baggers care when GW was building up the debt with 2 one trillion dollar wars. he built up more debt than Obama! Why didn't they shut down the government over his corrupt Medicare bill that bloated the deficit. Any one who says Tea baggers are against corruption must be insane. You are totally for the buying and selling of our government to the highest bidder and the tea baggers are all paid off by the chamber of commerce-corruption incarnate. Your ideas are laughable. No I SAID Ron Lawl DOES NOT SUPPORT BIG GOVERNMENT SAFETY NETS. mOST OCCUPIERS DO. Ron Lawl is a libertarian cook. Most Occupiers are not libertarians, lots of tea baggers are. jUST BECAUSE ADBUSTERES Are anarchists doesn't mean occupiers all over the world are. whoever started these long overdue protests, they have nothing but my full support. Americans have been gutted by the right wing and greedy criminal corporations. They need to wake up. When i called Americans stupid, I wasn't saying anything the rest of the world doesn't know. Polls are taken concerning what knowledge people possess. Americans do dismally just like that dim witted money gruber sarah palin whose own campaign said she knew nothing about history or basic civics. Sorry i can't waste my time on this anymore. sorry for the caps.. George Bush had a 26% approval rating when he left office and there is a reason none of your looney candidates do not utter his name. BECAUSE HE brought our country to its knees, that's why. Thanks for at least reading what I had to say and responding with arguments that actually addressed what I said. That is unusual for a tea bagger. Best of luck. Violence is not the answer. Occupy is AGAINST violence
So now you are going off on unionized public education? I mean who else would you blame for "Uneducated Americans".
Glad we could agree on something.
The Tea Party, FYI, was the same place the Democrats were we these wars started. 100% on board. Can't throw your sacred cow off the ship, though, can you.
Like your assessment of me, your assessment of the Tea Party is also completely based on big media propaganda. I suppose you'll now pick and choose what the particular layer of bullshit you are willing to believe as the media now identifies the OWS people as the Flea Party. What can I say, people are sheep. Its why Maddow and Beck are millionaires.
Regarding Bush, that 26% approval rating is appalling.Now consider that he beats Obama in popularity polls today, and it will give you an idea of what the sentiment is like in America right now..
as for Obama, all he has done is kiss GOP but and adopt their policies.
He is a second George Bush as far as I am concerned. Certainly NOT A LIBERAL!!
So your idea of Democracy is if you don't like what is happening in your country?/ No one has more loathing for this country than those tea baggers who hate our government and who think a nation of 300 million people don't need a government.They tried to make our country default on its debt.
Most of the occupy people are not libertarians. They are progressives who believe in social services and medicare and social security, all of which Ron Lawl does not support.
You are very angry and threatening. For you to think adbusters made all these veterans go out and protest is what is Laughable. Most of the protesters never heard of adbusters. I can't waste any more time with this lunacy. I see the Canadians are smart enough to ignore you.
you are a better arguer than most of the right wing though.
why didn't the tea baggers care when GW was building up the debt with 2 one trillion dollar wars. he built up more debt than Obama! Why didn't they shut down the government over his corrupt Medicare bill that bloated the deficit. Any one who says Tea baggers are against corruption must be insane. You are totally for the buying and selling of our government to the highest bidder and the tea baggers are all paid off by the chamber of commerce-corruption incarnate. Your ideas are laughable.
No I SAID Ron Lawl DOES NOT SUPPORT BIG GOVERNMENT SAFETY NETS. mOST OCCUPIERS DO. Ron Lawl is a libertarian cook. Most Occupiers are not libertarians, lots of tea baggers are. jUST BECAUSE ADBUSTERES Are anarchists doesn't mean occupiers all over the world are.
whoever started these long overdue protests, they have nothing but my full support. Americans have been gutted by the right wing and greedy criminal corporations. They need to wake up.
When i called Americans stupid, I wasn't saying anything the rest of the world doesn't know. Polls are taken concerning what knowledge people possess. Americans do dismally just like that dim witted money gruber sarah palin whose own campaign said she knew nothing about history or basic civics. Sorry i can't waste my time on this anymore.
sorry for the caps..
George Bush had a 26% approval rating when he left office and there is a reason none of your looney candidates do not utter his name. BECAUSE HE brought our country to its knees, that's why.
Thanks for at least reading what I had to say and responding with arguments that actually addressed what I said. That is unusual for a tea bagger. Best of luck. Violence is not the answer. Occupy is AGAINST violence
Boy are you at the wrong protest. Elimination of the government is an Anarchist ideal. I cant really address that, but perhaps you can take it up with the movement's leaders at a GA. Draconian reductionin the size and scope of our Federal Govt is a libertarian ideal, also a large portion of the people you are marching with. The Tea Party platform is for a smaller, less corrupt, more constitutionally controled federal government, which is nebulously stated as an OWS objective, even though it really isn't desired by most there, including yourself.
They tried to get our country's leadership to confront it's escalating debt crisis. They were only semi successful. We are going to have to eject a lot more people from congress before we get this done.
LoL. Ron PauI supports big, centralized, federal government safety nets? Perhaps you need to visit Ron PauIs website. You seem to not know what he stands for. Close your eyes and make a wish. This movement stands for whateveryou believe it stands for. You will not betold otherwise. I tend to deal more with facts.
I tend to get angry when foreigners foment unrest in America. Nobody remembers the guy who shouts fire in a theatre, they just remember being paniced and needing to get out.
I am not right wing. I'm a pro-life, anti-religion, pro-gay marriage, gun loving independent who believes in social safety nets(Like Most Republicans and Demcorats). I'm well to the left of JFK(who isn't these days).
so, you ARE a right wing nut! I was well aware of adbusters. Are they forcing all of these Americans to brave the cold and police violence because they have just turned people into anarchists?? How could a small Canadian group do such a thing The Koch brothers and FOX news created those tea bag know nothings. Why can they be heard but not OCCUPY.
The teabaggers are the ones with low approval ratings but with how stupid Americans are, I have no idea what the elections would bring.
Your party has a bunch of buffons running for President. You would think you would be ashamed of the ridiculous lies they tell. Tea Partiers were just put in power to protect corporate interest. They are fighting to make sure the banks pay NO price for all the crimes they have committed.
Yes I do fear a bunch of lunatics being elected to Congress and trying to destroy everything our country stands for, gutting women's health care, spending zillions to crush immigrants and ruin their lives. Tea baggers are TRASH, EVIL TRASH!
Rupert Murdoch is a right wing propagandist presently in trouble for illegal wire tapping. No, all of OCCUPY knows FOX news has made this country into an ignorant Hell Hole
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MikeyD Threatens: We are going to CRUSH you in 12 months. So are you going to be up front and honest for the first time and tell us what or who you represent. Or will you remain spineless. Lose lips sinks ships. Best for you to a get another troll name? 69% feel OWS represenst your views about the nation http://www.observer.com/2011/10/fox-news-web-poll-on-occupy-wall-street-sentiment-backfires/
Results Shows OWS Awareness of Movement Continues to Grow http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/occupy-wall-street---a-growing-force-133182008.html
44% of New York State voters describe themselves as OWS supporters http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2011/11/poll-ny-voters-like-occupy-wall-street-but-believe-tea-party-will-be-more-infl
Poll shows 44 percent of voters support OWS, while only 21 percent support tea party http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/New-Yorkers-Support-Occupy-Wall-Street-Poll-133047893.html
CBS News/New York Times poll 43% of Americans agree with the views of the "Occupy Wall Street" movement http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20125515-503544/poll-43-percent-agree-with-views-of-occupy-wall-street/
http://www.subversiveelement.com/dulceschneider.html The Black Budget currently consumes $1.25 trillion per year. year 1995
here is the poll I was talking about: Personally, I think they were both disasters
Sep 23, 2011 Obama rates better than Bush
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/09/obama-rates-better-than-bush/1
Quinnipiac University is a country club for the rich.MikeyD Threatens: We are going to CRUSH you in 12 months. Please explain. Others polls show different results. The fox one had 198,250 responding in favour of the Ocuppiers by 68% plus
Lmao. Did you really just quote a month old non scientific web poll from Fox news as evidence? Really?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/04/us-usa-protests-newyork-idUSTRE7A28MD20111104
Educate yourself.
2.8 million Canadians live in the U.S. 1 million Americans live in Canada Canada is your largest trading partner OWS is a WORLDWIDE movement which means you have all kinds of nationalities looking in and participating in the movement. What is wrong with that? Afraid this Alberta redneck is coming to get you? LOL
2.8 million Canadians live in the U.S. 1 million Americans live in Canada Canada is your largest trading partner OWS is a WORLDWIDE movement which means you have all kinds of nationalities looking in and participating in the movement. What is wrong with that? Afraid this Alberta redneck is coming to get you? LOL
its fine, so long as they stay out of our politics
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What's with all he hub-bub? Canadians this...Americans that....We're all North Americans here....are we not. Better still, we're all fellows of the same globe. don't get me wrong, I love sovereignty as much as you do, but you better get used to the idea that we're all North Americans because Harper and Obama signed documents that "expanded our perimeters" to further their agenda of the now documented "North American Union" (NAU). This happened in secret, without going through parliament or congress, or, citizens voting on the issue. It also stated that Canadian and American military and police will patrol in eachother's countries. So...we'll bring the beer and the bacon, you bring the grits and biscuits, and we'll have a big ole picnic!
Your fellow human being
Leynna
You forgot the damn beer!
Hi there Ottawa! I'm in Brantford, ON. Beer sounds good right about now! Better yet, a glass of wine sounds good too! See that, now you got me all thirsty! Cheers!
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what's with you Mickey D. I am an American also. what's with all the hostility for Canadians. Seems ridiculous
9/11 was the biggest disaster faced in American history. On that day, it was a Canadian who was in charge of NORAD operations. He had decisional power over your army. Canada and US are closely tied. You think there is no interplay because you either ignore it, or don't read the news.
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A conspiracy? It's documented. You can research it. NORAD is a joint effort between Canada and US. Sometimes the commander is from US, sometimes he's from Canada. On 9/11 it just so happened that a Canadian was in command. It's no big deal.
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You are a moron. It is people like you who make people hate your country.
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That's just it stupe! Canadians didn't get a say, any more than you got a say. If you want to call Harper the Nazi sympathizer a Canadian, then you go right ahead. But Obama surely did decide it. Like I said, I want my sovereignty just as much as you do. Sovereignty, Liberty and civil/human rights should be a much bigger part of OWS than most people know. If they knew just what the New World Order has in store for us, they wouldn't be looking at the banks...they would be publicly exposing the people who own the banks! There are the real rulers of the globalist agenda.
Your fellow human being
Leynna
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There's so much proof that Soros is a main funder of OWS. Using a Canadian company is but a mere tool. That's how the Power Elite work. You have such vigor....your time could be better utilized focusing on exposing the oligarchs personaly. You really need to get off this Canadian/American paradigm. Its as useless as the democrat/republican paradigm....a fairytale. It doesn't exist. It was put there by the oligarchs to keep us all busy bickering as they laughingly went about their agenda. It worked really well for them.... unfortunately, it still is. Peace out MikeyD. We have bigger problems than the fake border that you feel makes us so different.
Your fellow human being
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We Canadians are coming for you. You can't stop us! Go play WOW.
Determine away..... Have a great night!
Your fellow human being
Leynna
Who said everyone living in Canada is Canadian, aprox of 10% of Alberta is Americans. I'm just as interested in both governments. Even though I can’t vote in Canada doesn't mean I don't care. Either way were just people deal with it. If you want to make a website discussing your hatred of Canadians go make your own blog. This website is for the discussion of the OWS and its movement.
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Thanks sweetie.
New York is a sanctuary city.
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Haha, you are paranoid.
Seeing how crap the US did caused massive problems all around the world, those Canadians have a point.
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"Starts to look a lot more like a foreign nation trying to destabilize the US."
That's not observation, get your terms straight.
I had that same feeling.
I thought everyone knew the movement came from Montréal thinkers and was supported by Adbusters? This website is Canadian owned, and some of the moderators are Canadians. Is this news to you?
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It was always clear I believe. No one is trying to hide anything. The anarchists movement in Québec has always been strong. The front de libération du Québec was quite effective in the 60's, and now Oakland has used them as an inspiration to form the Oakland Liberation Front. The main problem is most Americans are not well educated, so they have no clue what goes on inside their nation, much less outside.
I am an American and you are so correct. You will never find a more ill informed electorate on the face of the earth; and of course, it is enhanced by the corporate news that is just misinformation and right wing opinion.
It is almost impossible to have a conversation with an American citizen on anything. They are just a bunch of sound bites that they keep repeating. They have not researched any subject even when it directly affects them This electorate is a threat to the whole world. They believe in Creationism, for goodness sake, and a majority support torture even though it is illegal and we have signed treaties outlawing it.
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That's simply due to a lack of general education. By car, Montréal is six hours away from NYC, and by plane about one. The most successful anarchist group in the history of North-America is the front de libération du Québec. Now, we have the Oakland Liberation Front. The problem is Americans are only interested about themselves, so they don't know what goes on around them, even it it's close by. You are waging wars against muslims countries, but how many Americans have read the Qur'an or the Hadiths. How do you expect Americans to stay sharp when they don't take interest in the world around them?
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I am an American and you are so correct. You will never find a more ill informed electorate on the face of the earth; and of course, it is enhanced by the corporate news that is just misinformation and right wing opinion. It is almost impossible to have a conversation with an American citizen on anything. They are just a bunch of sound bites that they keep repeating. They have not researched any subject even when it directly affects them This electorate is a threat to the whole world. They believe in Creationism, for goodness sake, and a majority support torture even though it is illegal and we have signed treaties outlawing it.
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When did I ever deny the existence of anarchists in Canada? I believe they have succeeded in starting their biggest coup yet, and I hope it will be stopped as soon as possible before it gets any worse. I don't think Americans are ignorant buffoons, but I believe a vast majority of them do not know about politics in Québec, or other places around the world. I don't consider Americans to be generally well educated, although it's obvious some of them are. Wasn't it Zappa who said that stupidity is the building block of America. I agree with him.
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you are ONE SICK boy
sounds like a taste of your own medicine
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You know what, as supportive as I am, I'm a skeptic by nature & I keep thoughts like these in the back of mind at all times ; )
The canadians and mexicans and sharia law is comin to git ya!
lol no, not actually
I'm not paranoid of Sharia law & I don't hate Mexicans or Canadians.
I support the professed aims of OWS based on the limited amount I know.
But also, based on the limited amount I know, I maintain some healthy skepticism.
The fact is, the protest is modeled on other protests from around the world and there are people from not only Canada, but from Europe, who came here to protest. It is possible that they believe the US has to change before the change they want where they live can happen.
I'm taking a wait & see attitude about that.
The plus side for me is that I think it is high time that someone went out there and flexed their rights to free speech & free assembly without having to be good little slaves & beg for permits, be extorted for exorbitant fees, etc.
If ALL OWS accomplishes is showing everyone that, hey, you CAN resist and they won't nuke you - then they've helped us reclaim our right to protest & I'm grateful for that. In fact, I think they've already accomplished that. Plus, they've started a conversation, a huge conversation, all over the country.
So those two things are great.
But...what else?
I'll wait & see.
Healthy skepticism is probably a good thing. I agree about the conversation itself is an accomplishment. It does finally seem like maybe we can just start talking to one another without the subterfuge of thinking it's this group or that group (political, religious, corporate or whatever) pulling the strings. I guess I give the benefit of the doubt to people from other countries, like the kids from Spain that came over here, that they are dealing with similar problems in their own countries. In fact with the global economy in it's current state, we all have a stake in trying to figure out a way forward without just trusting the powers that be to take care of it for us.
Well spoken. Once again I'm happy to find another of the many, many on this site who see the usage and the fundamentals of it all.
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LOL. I like that one.
51st state.
Looks like this forum is full of hate by angry ppl. Cool down it's winter time. I think many of u r hotbabes. Am I right? That's why u r hot tempered.
I don't know if you've been paying attention but the Obama administration has been adamant about this: the NYPD can not ask a suspected alien to produce ID unless they're breaking the law. So I think we have to first establish that they have violated the law and commit to an arrest. Which NY has been reluctant to do.
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But if they stay on their present course that will change. There's a two headed monster here and one of them is going.
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It's not just Obama or America. Leaders, the world over, for most of recorded history, have been shitty leaders. I think that could use a change. It's like an old pair of underwear, you kept putting them back on (like leaders back in) for as long as you could. But it's finally time for a new pair (like it's time for a new paradigm).
... And that's just evolution playing out
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Lmao! So true! Ya I think it's time we threw out the old pair, they're chaffing me ;-)
Well there's a freaky element to the desire to remove money from politics, in reference to this particular movement. Because all politicians are owned. If a politician does not proscribe to the issues of the majority, he does not get elected. So in essence he is owned by this majority; removing money shifts the focus of politicians from "corporate" to social issues, which are also economic. I don't ascribe to the concept of "social justice" because justice is something that we extract, as in, "socially extracted justice." I see that as an attack on little old "me," who is, by all measure, the perfect picture of innocence in all of this racially motivated economic war. Do not plan on extracting justice from me.
Canada was the ones who convinced our country to get the free trades agreement in effect. Now we don't have any jobs left.
Free trade has screwed over Candians as well.
Wrong
pbs.org says differently
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considering the economic problem is world wide and at the very essence of all our transactions with others (besides the fact that the US of A is one of the biggest major players in the world economy (and the simple fact that many of the largest multi-nationals are based there)).....i'd say neigh. we all live on one planet. stop acting like we don't. besides this is an international movement bent on restructuring how we interact on this here chunk of matter floating in space. open the door to change and expand yr. mind.
think of 3 different ways to restructure governance und economics by tomorrow with detailed info backed speculation and we'll discuss it. if not, HOP TO IT!
corporate foreign aid tax. make corporations pay for the foreign aid shelled out to the countries they profit from. when the corporations have to pay for this.. it will become more profitable to operate in america.
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but i get a say in world politics considering I am a human being currently existing on this planet. One world Governance is an inevitability if we are ever to actually make any actual progress as a Species at this current state of affairs. How we design/create that (or fail to and blow ourselves into pretty nationalized/racially divided/confusedly deluded religious/nihilistic bits) is up to our decisions RIGHT NOW.
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Ah but are you saying that humanity never progresses? that certain big ideas can't just fall apart? Tsk. You obviously have missed the last decade and how extra-ordinary the leaps & bounds that technology alone (not to mention other fields of science & thought!) have accomplished and are continuing to accomplish.
Nothing is True and Everything is Possible.
The EU was a failure because it was designed horrendously and based on some definite Centralized banking practices and not democratic (hell they were willing to forsake democracy just so they can get the economy afloat.....sounds awfully familiar.....) . A major part of the OWS movement is complete De-centralization to allow a more dynamic direct network in comparison to the static top-down authoritarian governance we have in place. Obviously you have never been in both countries at a rapid rate. As a touring Musician, I would say the only real difference is that you can buy liquor for dirt cheap down in the States and that there is an aspect of fear/paranoia that entraps the entire country much more than it does up north.
AH, Quebec is a completely different country altogether! but the populous is far more liberal and European than the rest of Canada. They practice their rights much more often, are very Intellectual and quite more liberal (and informed) than most of the folk in this great big mass of land. Infact i would argue that both The US and Canada have at least 7 "Countries" in them(A Hawaiian, A Creole, A Newfie & a Anglo Quebecor have VERY little in common on an immediate social level....however that wouldn't be the case on a HUMAN or a WORLDWIDE level). But this does that mean that supposed Individuals who live in Canada are not affected by the actions of cetain Individuals who live in the US of A (or any where else for that matter). no man is an island.
Forget not the Butterfly effect or simple Quantum Physics if you want to try and grasp the very real understanding of how entirely inter-connected we are at this very moment.
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No I do have a thorough understanding of the idea. The concept of Money as we view it is the problem of our current forms of Banking. It has very little connection to actual Wealth. Speculative Banking, Fool Hearty Credit and other Financial Semantic Fuck-asssssssss-a-tudes have seen their way to that. If all the money on our planet disappeared at this moment....we'd still have the same amount of wealth. The EU issue at hand is being presented as cultural....when it obviously is not (you forget the OWS protests in these countries). The issue is very much a problem of governance & democracy which is merely being exploited by small minded folk to create pitiful little squabbles over virtually nothing important except power and maintaining the increasingly unsustainable status quo. It's easy to throw people off the trail of what they really want if you make them ask the wrong questions.
But why shouldn't we try and make our hopes happen in our lifetime? To give up would be to accept Fascism on it's own terms...... And i would disagree with your last comment considering that every nation messes with each others politics (or did we just forget yr. EU comment...or the fact that as long as we exist on the same planet we are going to be involved with each other in some more increasing way, shape or form) since we are INTER-CONNECTED. Hence the necessity of a form of World-Wide Governance (note I am merely saying Governance not State. We must move beyond very pitiful grade school social study concepts and that Infantile dis-ease known as Nationalism) to be able to get rid of these mere minor (but crucial) hiccups on the road to infinity.
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yeah sure because what i argued was a completely tyrannical. New Information and New Ideas need to be absorbed to be able to transform our World at a reasonable rate. In fact, all i was arguing for was for every single person to have a more equal voice on the table to attain a form of consensual co-operation which you don't seem to want. Of course that leads to problems since everyone has an opinion......but not every opinion is of equal weight or value.
If a One World Governance were to occur, it would be most the minimal form (besides being a completely new idea of governance based not on monetary values nor nationalized interests nor would it resemble any form of governance in the world today......unless we are looking at very theoretical ideas that really haven't been discussed or explored by the majority of the occupants of our planet at large) This would merely make the economic playing field far more level and allow for a more Free Market approach that would rid us of the archaic Authoritarian Structures which currently plague us (which admittedly not everyone wants......but they will realize their interconnectedness to those who do want it and see the vital necessity if they want to continue increasing TRUE wealth soon enough) But would i want a dictatorship of the majority? Absolutely not. Still i would argue that there are a collection of vital Necessities that every human being has in common with another. If not than we should start classifyin' subspecies in our own gene pools. This is a matter of loosening up and trying new ideas considering the ones in the past have not worked and need to be thrown out sooner than later.
All i need to say is your doing an awful lot to make yr. opinion seem like it reflects the majority or even a group. Yr. an Individual. We need a union of Individuals who treat Human Beings as Unique Persons instead of vague groupings (which are semantic spooks and entirely subjective to interpretation) like you seem to do.
"Revolution without Revelation is Tyranny/ Revelation without Revolution is Slavery."
O and Canadian Individuals will stay out of American Politics when American Individuals/Companies/Government stays out of ours.......O wait. THATS NOT GONNA HAPPEN as long as we are on THE SAME PLANET. Stop using arbitrary barriers that were put in place by generations long past by ruthless, pointless and completely unjustified methods.
The Status quo it is then.
Adbusters is based in Canada, n'est-ce pas?
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You being the first one. By posting on their website, you are increasing their traffic, thus by increasing their importance in the movement they inspired. Funny boy.
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I just explained above. Let me try again. This is a Canadian website owned by Adbusters. By posting on it, you increase their traffic and importance in the movement. You are supporting the Canadians you want out. It's ironic.
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What do you mean? What do you think will be the result, and what do you think I think will be the result?
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Don't you realize that this site is extremely chaotic? Don't you realize that anarchists love chaos? Don't you realize that the anarchists from Québec are very smart and know that having independent Occupy factions all around US, Canada, and the rest of the world which don't communicate increase chaos. Don't you know that they realize direct democracy always turns into chaos, and that they use it because they know that eventually each Occupy will become more and more chaotic as time passes? Don't you realize they fully understood winter was coming and that this would increase chaos inside their own troops, something they highly encourage and desire. Canadians are not surprised when winter arrives. OWS is an anarchist coup, it is only meant to destabilize the government as much as possible and lead it towards chaos.
My goal is to help people understand this, so that it can hopefully be stopped before it gets too bad. I'm a French-Canadian, and I'm a good ally because I know about Québec anarchists. However, if you prefer that I leave this Canadian website because you feel the discussion should only involve Americans, then I can oblige.
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If you read all the posts I have made in this forum, you will understand that I am against OWS. You're a grown man, I'll let you make up your own mind. Québec anarchists are not supported by the vast majority of Québecquers, nor the vast majority of Canadians. They are a fringe movement. Most Canadians you will find on these boards will not agree with their methods.
A major problem with Americans is their blind patriotism. You demonstrate it here quite aptly. You think I support Québec anarchists simply because I am Canadian. That is very simple minded.
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