Forum Post: What if Iran were attacked or attacks:
Posted 12 years ago on Feb. 6, 2012, 4:42 a.m. EST by ohmygoodness
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History repeats itself:
Principle: Profit and Rule by igniting and financing both sides of the divide:
In the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries when wars were fought in an economically flourishing mighty Europe and the central treasuries were depleted, a leading banking family financed both sides of the war, bet against them, got the impending news first, “bet” on this news and made more money. Since the treasure chests of these countries were empty they had to be financed, so enter the Central Banks, like the Bank of England, financed by private financiers. (google the Bank of England, the Napoleonic Wars, read the wikepedia and investopedia articles for brevity).
Fast-forward to the 21st century and the turn of events can almost be predicted. Mighty countries are impoverished through war and with more sophisticated tools, a financial meltdown has been created, once-flourishing economies are in shambles.
So here we go again, both sides are set aflame with religious, politic war-mongering rhetoric, a spark is required to ignite it, what better than a serious act of “provocation” and well you can fill in the rest.
Even the most honorable members of societies, including those in the OWS, will take sides in the name of “eye-for-an-eye etc.” and true love for one’s country and create deep divisions while there is money being reaped off the “commoner” at the expense of human destruction.
What if one side realizes this and the other doesn’t, what if the demands placed on one country are demanded of the other, what if artificial embargoes are lifted and the effects do trickle down to the general population, what if we as people realize our power to prevent war.
The UN’s Security Council has been made ineffective by the veto, orchestrated by the same war-mongering profiteers. Peace benefits the 99.99%.
Beware and be alert, let Peace reign!
If peace in the mid-east is what you want, than its important to realize who your allies are. While certain factions try to whip up the war drive, namely the Obama-Netanyahu axis, others strive to enforce peace. The most powerful faction trying to enforce peace today are the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Russians and the Chinese.
While our media makes no mention of our top military officer's opposition to war, the Russian and Chinese are portrayed as trying to maintain a dictatorial regime in Syria, and to support ambitions in Iran for a nuclear weapon, neither of which are true.
If only the capital of the US were in Washington DC!
Is it possible to post the opinions of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on the OWS News page.
Why don't I provide you with some links here, so you can consider for yourself about making the post to the OWS News page:
Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Dempsey Told Israelis US Won't Join Their War on Iran http://www.truth-out.org/joint-chiefs-staff-chairman-dempsey-told-israelis-us-wont-join-their-war-iran/1328209116
Pace Out at Joint Chiefs of Staff Because of Opposition to War With Iran? http://motherjones.com/mojo/2007/06/pace-out-joint-chiefs-staff-because-opposition-war-iran
The following link is from Lyndon Larouche, a controversial figure, who receives some support as well as substantial opposition from OWS protestors:
U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff on War-Avoidance Mobilization http://larouchepac.com/node/20561
Thank you, you have done it already.
Your post is just as valuable as mine, if not more, if time is of the essence.
Thanks for your interest in this, its probably the most important issue today, though very few really understand what is going on.
Could this be a set up for a "provocative" action to warrant an attack?
http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-israel-warns-us-jews-iran-could-strike-153636488--abc-news.html
Yes, I do believe you are on to something.
@ 'ohmygdns' : Thanx for your excellent forum-post and this subsequent thread and ...
Re. Iran : Some hard facts may bring some 'Light' to matters, rather than all the unpleasant 'Heat' being generated by the constant fear and loathing :
a) Iran has The World's 3rd Largest known 'Total' & 2nd Largest 'Liquid' Oil Reserves : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves_in_Iran ,
b) Iran has The Worlds 2nd Largest known Gas Reserves : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas_reserves_in_Iran
c) Further consider and cogitate upon the fact that in Feb. 2008, Iran opened a Hydro-Carbon Bourse at The Kish Mercantile Exchange (see http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11613.htm and also http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28646.htm ) - trading in a basket of currencies, including Euros, Roubles, Yuan and Iranian Rial BUT NOT in U$ Dollar$ and thereby challenging both Reserve Currency, Dollar "HegeMoney" as well as the Monopoly of the existing Oil and Petroleum Bourses.
d) The Iranian Central Bank is State Controlled & Entirely Government Owned and NOT Privately Owned [ http://blogs.wsj.com/corruption-currents/2011/12/15/senate-passes-sanctions-on-irans-central-bank/?mod=google_news_blog & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Bank_of_the_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran ] . Thus do 'a-d' here actually constitute the Real "Casus Belli" ?!
e) The same NeoCon, Neo-Colonial, Paleo-Imperial WARMONGERS who beat the drums for The Unconscionable, Illegal & Immoral WAR on Iraq (where The Only "WMD" = Words of Mass Deception !!) are now beating the Drums of War and this time Iran is in the Imperial crosshairs. Pls. Research PNAC (eg http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1665.htm & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PNAC etc.) & the videos :
"WHY WE FIGHT ; What are the forces that shape and propel American militarism ?" : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8494.htm .
"Iran is NOT the Problem" ; http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5708329875314599685 .
@merica : nosce te ipsum ... et .. fiat pax .
Thank you for valuable information.
The "curse" of the citizens of Iran and Iraq is that they have the oil and gas and leaders who will not toe the line and so they are punished. Two or more lost generations and a raped soul.
tch tch if only you little "ignoramuses" (by the way the culture of both countries goes back 2000 and 6000 BC, In Iraq, the region between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers is often referred to as the cradle of civilization and the birthplace of writing, law and the wheel. These civilizations were into poetry, mathematics and astronomy when the west was hunting for survival) had kowtowed to the might and the arrogance of ignorance and greed and a propaganda that has endangered the lives of the minorities who live there.
Just to clarify, the above was written in the sarcasm of the moment.
War isn't all bad, it defeated the imperialist Japanese, the crazy Nazi's and the Soviet Union. Some bad guys still survive. The world would be better off without the nut jobs in Iran who publicly state that they want to wipe out Israel and all Jews. the world would also be better off without any Muslim Terrorist group, who you (Arturo, seem to like-- you must be one of those commie/muslim loving latinos).
If you think that war isn't all bad, consider that this war is also intended to be against the US. The financial oligarchs want to reduce population world wide, including right here in America, and so would like to provoke Russia and China into making a nuclear attack against us, so they can hide in their bunkers and claim what's left of the US when its over.
The Israelis don't want a war with Iran, except Netanyahu and a few others who are tools of the financial oligarchy. When news about Netanyahu's war plans were leaked to the media by Israel's top intelligence officer, massive anti-war demonstrations were held by the Israeli citizens.
But Netanyahu doesn't care, he'll hide in his bunker after provoking a war, and get Israel wiped of the map by retaliation from the Iranians and possibly the Russians and Chinese.
Don't worry about the one missile that Iran might develop, worry about the hundreds that the Chinese already have and the thousands that the Russians already have, and the hundreds that Israel has, many of which are pointed at Europe.
And by the way, I am an American citizen, "arturo" is just a screen name, and I love all people who hope for peace.
Never underestimate how far a devious mind will go to achieve their goals.
Indeed so, many of the most critical attacks in history, for better or for worse, have been conducted as "sneak attacks". On the "better" side was George Washington's attack against the British on Christmas eve.
The nuclear war planned by the oligarchy is also meant to be a sneak attack, in fact the "mother of all" sneak attacks.
@arturo: Its not a sneak attack if your at war its a surprise attack.
Thanks, I'll try to remember that as the nukes start falling.
@arturo: HUH?
Sorry, just kidding on a topic I shouldn't be kidding about.
okay.
Lets hope their plan fails.
:) , no problem, i'm hispanic myself. Can't say i agree with you, i believe in good and evil, and sitting back to let bad guys like the rulers of Iran kill innocent people is not my cup of tea. The Russians and Chinese are the ones OWS should be going after talk about the 1% ruling a country.
Fair enough, but consider who has Iran killed yet? And how many Muslims have been killed by the west already?
Also, consider that China's growing economy has lifted over 100 million Chinese people out of poverty over the past few decades, according to the world bank, while our leaders in American have plunged much of our middle class into poverty through unemployment and home foreclosures.
Muslims have killed more muslims than any western country has ever killed. And the ones the U.S. killed had it coming to them (9/11). China's economy is growing but the number of Chinese who live in poverty is about the whole U.S. population. And what you call poverty in the U.S, is a dream for the Chinese or Indians, or Brazilians. I know that the left (you) like the authoritarian chinese government, but i wouldn't place any bets on china winning the best country to live in any time soon. it's hard to make predictions, especially about the future :) ,but the U.S. will recover with its move back to a market driven economy, China and India and other growing economies will have their ups and downs like every one else.
What evidence do you have about Muslims killing Muslims?
About 1/3 of Americans believe that 9/11 was an inside job, intended to justify the killing of Muslims.
Yes, the Chinese have a lot of poor people, but the best way for the US to address that is through collaborative projects, like the train route that has been planned using a bridge over or tunnel under the Bering Strait, intended to connect America with Asia.
By the way, I consider myself a conservative democrat.
Please reference - your "1/3 of Americans" statement. I know a lot of people, but not even one that believes this statment much less the 1/3 reference.
I heard it on a TV talk show, can't remember which one.
Not a very valid reference. Sorry.
I think it was Jesse Ventura, but I do recall hearing it from a number of sources, and seeing it on websites. I know its not proof but it is what I suspect happened.
Though not exactly an inside job, I hear it was primarily Saudi Arabia, some Prince Bandar, as well as England's MI6. Do a search on Google for "BAE 9/11" to know more. BAE is some company that was involved, I believe there was something like an arms for oil scandal related.
Really - we have an arms for oil deal with Saudi Arabia, who pays cash for their weapons.
Sounds like a bad deal to me.
No, I think it was the English that had the arms for oil deal with Saudi Arabia. The English empire, now a network of financial centers, such as Wall Street, controls much of Muslim terrorism, and have been doing so since they used Islamic extremists to divide and conquer India. US sympathizers of the empire would have to have been involved.
Hey - what about 2012? Anything going on that is important today?
Sure, on the bad side, there are ongoing attempts to start the war with Iran.
On the good side, there are movements like OWS, also, some of the Asian countries are prospering. I have a friend who has been teaching English in China and saved around $20k last year.
Governor Jesse Ventura.
If there was ever a living symbol as to how sick the population is of professional politics the status-quo and the state of our government. It is the election of an ex-professional Wrestler to the office of governor.
Jesse Ventura was a Navy Seal, many respected politicians were combat veterans.
You should buy his book.
He is a regular legend in his own mind.
You probably love his Cable program.
Many people who achieve success are egotistical, that's no surprise. I'm not a particular fan of his, but can sense that he has in many ways the same outlook as OWS, but more from the Libertarian perspective.
I'm not a Libertarian, and don't believe that theory of economics is workable, but I do think many Libertarians have some of the right motives.
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Just because someone was a soldier doesn't make him a Rambo. I don't support rampant American militarism, but that doesn't automatically disqualify Jesse Ventura to me. Many people who go into the military do so out of a desire to serve and protect their country. Unfortunately, our country's war policies are often traitorous.
probably was Rosie O'Donnell talk show.
Now THAT you can quote for anything that you want to prove. A lady without reproach and a woman of her fine word. What ever would we do without dear Rosie - she has done as much as anyone to help me cut down on my TV watching habit.
I heard that her current show is down sizing already.
Rosie used to be funny, now she is just funny.
come on! you haven't heard of muslims killing muslimes (shiites versus sunni's?) Iran versus Iraq? Iraq versus Kuwait. Northern alliance versus taliban and so on... 9/11 an inside job? what rubbish!
Yes, I've heard of those, though I do believe the US was involved in Iran vs. Iraq. And I still don't see why the US had to attack Iraq for 9/11. I've seen no evidence for a role any Iraqis may have played. Also, there was no evidence of weapons of mass destruction. Its the same game with Iran.
@arturo: I believe Bush and Cheney where put up for indictment for war crimes for invading Iraq.
Waging a War of Aggression.
I guess nothing ever came of it though? How unfortunate.
@arturo: Whom do you think would have delivered the arrest warrant.
And how many steps would they have taken before being killed.
In these times, I think its reasonable to believe that practically anything can happen, both for better or for worse. That is, things are so bad, that some people on the bad guy's side might change sides.
we sold them weapons
American Dad - Oliver North song
Hello! They use AK47's and home made bombs. Muslims are still in the year 700 AD, they'd kill each other with stuff out of the bronze age. Again muslims kill more muslims than the West has ever.
Yes, but western imperialism usually manipulates Islamic groups into conflict. I mean secret agencies like MI6 and the CIA.
In fact, imperialist countries set up the middle east after WW2 to encourage conflict, particularly by placing a bunch of European Jews right in the middle of it, and telling them to take over.
They like playing the Sunni versus Shiite card to stir things up as well.
take a look at the Sudan, armed by the communist Chinese and Russia. Chew on that. The sunni and shiite will kill each other without anyone's help. So there were no jews in that area before ww2? that's rubbish read your history from somewhere besides from muslim and left wing garbage.
I don't know about Sudan, and would have to do some research to determine if your statement has credibility. I know how our media likes getting people to bash China and Russia these days in preparation for WW3, and if you don't know about that, just google or go to YouTube and look up "China WW3" or "Russia WW3" or "Iran WW3".
Europeans have been killing each other for a long time too, so In my opinion people are people.
And yes, there were Jews in Israel before WW2, but they weren't white Jews. The white Jews went to Israel from Europe after WW2. Their families had no heritage in that area. Those Ashkenazi, or white Jews, have Khazar background and their families are from somewhere near Ukraine. That's their mother country.
So you like China, Iran and Russia , but the U.S. is bad. Boy that makes sense.
No, I love the US, but it is being ruined by foreign influence and internal traitors. Who was the original enemy of the US? The British empire, and they, along with our traitors on Wall Street, whom we used to call Tories, have bought out our media and educational institutions, and have brainwashed the American people.
the Russia sells weapons as well
here's a breakdown of world weapons sales
Global Arms Sales By Supplier Nations
39% United States
18% Russia
8% France
7% United Kingdom
5% Germany
3% China
3% Italy
11% Other European
5% Others
http://www.globalissues.org/article/74/the-arms-trade-is-big-business#GlobalArmsSalesBySupplierNations
Did you hear of Northern Ireland? Religion you say, think again.
Does an economic stranglehold constitute killing?
This is a moral vacuity perpetuated by a devious set of people and media upon gullible people.
@ohmygoodness: Are you saying religion is not the root cause of the conflict in northern Ireland?
If you are you don't understand anything about the conflict.
I would urge you to read about conflict and its causes rooted in power and money abusing religion to achieve these. Why religion, since it is based upon faith, the most beautiful and ugly property of human beings and therefore an easy prey.
Isn’t it strange that in the past 7 decades the most abhorrent of crimes are committed within and under the auspices of three world “religions” which share so much in common.
Do you think that the Catholics (whose church head is in Rome) in Northern Ireland were so upset with the Protestants (whose church head is in London) and vice versa because of religion or was it more an economic divide and political manipulation from London.
By the way do you know that the Anglicans in England call themselves, Catholics?
@ohmygoodness: Catholic means universal.
You showed by your post that you have limited intelligence, the conflict in northern Ireland start as a civil rights protest by catholics .
They where being discriminated aganist for empolyeement and the usuall gamut of discrimination.
The "B" Specials, a protestant police force attacked and brutalized the demonstration participants.
The IRA organize the northern Ireland catholics and they began to defend themselves.
Soon the British sent troops to Northern Ireland and the rest is history.
It was religious no doubt about it, One mythology fighting another.
Been the same all through human history, religion is a cruse on mankind.
catholic means universal.
Your response actually substantiates what I said about the economic divide, power, political manipulation and abuse in the name of religion. Isn't it surprising that the one good thing that Tony Blair (from London) successfully did was start an end to this conflict and not while he was or is an atheist?
Isn’t it surprising that peace in the Palestine-Israel conflict is determined by “people in power” 20000 miles away from the conflict?
I'll leave this argument to your rationale.
@ ohmygoodness: You didn't acknowledge that the Northern Ireland conflict was rooted in Religious beliefs.
liberals love muslims (i can never understand this) , even though any devout muslim would kill gays and put women liberation back 1000 years
@tomahawk99: What is your source that liberals love Muslims.
well, you seem to. Liberals see Muslims and Muslim countries as victims, even though Muslims are different from other 'victims' the liberals love.
@tomahawk99: Obviously it is just your ignorant opinion, which is worth nothing.
well its probably worth more than yours. I at least i will listen to other opinions you have the closed mind of a liberal.
@tomahawk: The reactionary is the closed minded one.
ScienceDaily (Feb. 24, 2010) — More intelligent people are statistically significantly more likely to exhibit social values and religious and political preferences that are novel to the human species in evolutionary history. Specifically, liberalism and atheism.
You speak with more wisdom than most. Appreciate your posts and truth, and seeming lack of one-sided argument.
@ tomahawk99: It's the United States that the world fears, we are the new fascists.
oh really, you like Iran, a country that hangs gays, rapes women (in prison), wants to wipe out Israel, is supporting Assad in Syria, kills innocents through Hezbollah. The U.S. is the greatest country on earth and i hope the U.S. takes out the Iranian mullahs and government (especially the Imadinnerjacket monkey faced president) and then lets the Iran people sort out the rest. Iran wants to go nuclear and none of the Arab countries want this. Interest that you like such a country, you probably would have loved Germany in the 30's.
@tomahawk99: Why do you say I like Iran? your ignorant on world affairs.
You should educate yourself before debating an informed citizen.
i'm ignorant in world affairs, really why? And you called the U.S. a fascist country that the world is afraid of, and you think that is a normal comment? You are crazy at best.
@ tomahawk99: "Economics of fascism"
This is one form of Fascist Economics:
In political discourse, the phrase "privatizing profits and socializing losses" refers to any instance of speculators benefitting (privately) from profits, but not taking losses, by pushing the losses onto society at large, particularly via the government.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Economics_of_fascism
oh god, give me a break you weirdo.
@tomahawk99: Do you have a problem with the truth?
I provided a link, so weirdo wake up and realize the truth.
its opinion not truth. the only countries that fear the U.S. are the bad guys, N. Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, Pakistan, Russia, China. If the US (god forbid) disappeared the world would descend into a dictatorships and authoritarian rule worse than what we have now.
@Tomahawk99: Its fact, that's why I provided a link.
You may prefer that it be fiction, but the definition of Fascist Economies requires no debate.
think about it, how many people agree with your assessment of a fascist economy and saying that the U.S. is one. Probably only a handful of nut cases., no respected economist at a University, no respected journalist, no statesmen. Only nut cases like you. Give us a break and go away
@tomahawk99: So your disregarding the defintion of a Fascist Economy or are you saying the US economy doesn't fit the mold?
Privatize profits and socialize losses = Fascist economy.
Bail out Banks/ Wall Street so they don't have losses, using tax payer monies and privatize the profits the Banks and Wall Street made on the tax payer money = US economy.
Now you think about it.
If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck.
Economic Fascism and the Bailout Economy
by Gary North
We are now seeing what hard-core liberals always predicted would happen: the economic convergence of the two systems, USA and USSR. The system of economic convergence is fascism.
The American political system has been soft-core fascist for almost a century. Liberals love to call conservatives fascists. The problem is, the liberals are right. Of course, well-informed conservatives like to call liberals fascists, and they are correct, too. Everyone who believes in the efficiency of the so-called government-business alliance is a fascist.
The fascist State was always an attempt to control private industry by means of inflation, taxation, and regulation. Fascism was always a system of keeping the big boys alive and happy at the expense of the taxpayers. Of course, the faces changed. The system was always one gigantic system of cartels, regulation, and fiat money. It was, in short, everything that the critics of modern capitalism say is wrong with capitalism.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north683.html
I am reminded of a quote by Bob Dylan, That can win that's never be won." World peace is not going to happen. Humans like fighting for all sorts of reasons.
There will be civil disobedience
@ ohmygoodness:
The United States and NATO are provoking Iran so there will be a pretext to launch an attack on Iran, I ask you why, Iran is not a threat to US national security and does not have a nuclear weapons program.
Israel sees Iran as a threat to it hegemony of the middle east, should we fight a war for Israel or make Isreal settle their differences with Palestine.
I answer in humility: Everyone should keep off and let the people of Palestine talk to the people of Israel, not the leaders but little children and families, youth and artistes, engineers and doctors, social groups to meet with their counterparts; a sustainable peace is one of justice and friendship.
Maybe the peoples' answer will be a federation.
Unless we dream there can be no hope and without hope we have nothing.
@ohmygoodness: Your proposal is unrealistic as long as the Zionist have the means to prevent any accord.
and the powers that be, want an unstable Middle East to justify their presence, one could say....
But who would have envisaged the Arab Spring 15 months ago or OWS 6 months ago? Unless one can imagine what can be one cannot make the future.
@ohmygoodness: While your dreaming reality will be crushing the people.
we should not fight any war
war is destructive
@MattLHolck: We should only go to war when our national security is threaten.
define national security
@MattLHolck:
National security is the requirement to maintain the survival of the state through the use of economic, diplomacy, power projection and political power.
The concept developed mostly in the United States of America after World War II. Initially focusing on military might, it now encompasses a broad range of facets, all of which impinge on the non military or economic security of the nation and the values espoused by the national society.
Accordingly, in order to possess national security, a nation needs to possess economic security, energy security, environmental security.
health security
@MattLHolck: Country's don't threaten our health care, that's the Republicans job.
have a pill
@MattlhOLCK: That's your reply, your pathetic.
then we could buy the iranian currency for less than a penny like we can buy the iraqi dinar for less than a penny. yah for corporate america, oh wait, you cant argue a case in court on any principle of honor or morals. Hmmm boy are we screwed.
exaggeration perhaps?
You do know that we live in one of the most peacefull times in history and it's only getting better.
"You do know that we live in one of the most peacefull times in history and it's only getting better."
Not if you live in a Middle East country like Syria or African countries like Darfur with over a million slaughtered and about 2 million in concentration camps right now. Not if you live in South or Central America where drug lords rule.
@JoetheFarmer: Not if you live in the United States.
yet
the us government claims peace is not possible in foreign countries and drop bombs on them
@MattLHolck: You talking to me?
sure, but joethefarmer aswell as well
@MattLHolck: Where you agreeing with me?
I'm not saying we have world peace but compared to history, we live in rather peaceful times. I'm not saying we shouldn't do anything about these conflicts but rather inform people of the progress we've made towards world peace.
@Spade2: What is the source of your information.
There's an article about it in the Huffington Post
@Spade2: I couldn't find it, do you have a link.
I can't find it either but it said that compared to history, we do live in more peaceful times.
@Spade2: Doesn't sound like something the Huffington Post would do research on.
@Spade2: US Conflicts, 2010–Present:
2010-11 War in Iraq. Operation New Dawn. On February 17, 2010, U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates announced that as of September 1, 2010, the name "Operation Iraqi Freedom" would be replaced by "Operation New Dawn". This coincides with the reduction of American troops to 50,000.
2011 - Libya. Operation Odyssey Dawn. Coalition forces enforcing U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973 with bombings of Libyan forces.
2011 - War on Terrorism. Osama Bin Laden is killed by U.S. military forces in Pakistan as part of Operation Neptune Spear.
2011 - Drone strikes on al-Shabab militants begin in Somalia. This marks the 6th nation in which such strikes have been carried out, including Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Yemen and Libya.
2011 - Nigeria. US Combat troops sent in as advisers to Nigeria.
2001-Afghanistan War.
2001 to present: Unspecified or secret conflicts.
2011 - Uganda. US Combat troops sent in as advisers to Uganda.
These conflicts are small compare to history, I'm not saying we have world peace but that things are getting better.
@ Spade2: Please explain your opinion, use some facts.
They are, how many people have died in the Mexican drug war? How many have died in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, or in the Israel- Palestinian conflict? Compared to the wars of Europe, not that much and I'm not talking about WWI or WWII.
@Spade2: I asked you to supply facts to support your assertions.
You wrote: "I'm not saying we have world peace but compared to history, we live in rather peaceful times".
@Spade2: Peaceful for what Country's.
I'm not so sure but we can never have enough!
I'm just saying it's getting better and with the Arab Spring, democracy will be wide spread in the Middle East.
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