Forum Post: What happened to NYC Livestream? Is anyone still in NYC protesting? Have we lost?
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 19, 2011, 8:07 a.m. EST by robertthelarge
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I guess the Mayor won with his invasion of the park. No one is left to protest?
The protesters still meet in the park and then go to other places working on projects that their Working Groups have involved in. The movement is more diffuse now, you have groups all over the city, organizing and doing things. The General Assemblies are still held in Zuccotti Park Tues, Thurs, Sat, Sun 7-9 pm, other meetings are held in other places look under the NYCGA tab for that.
Yes people are still protesting, but they don't protest every day, they have lives, many work.
The ones who do not have day jobs, some will stay overnight to maintain a presence. Of those who are there all night, many offer their beds to fellow occupiers who go and sleep. Then in the morning those who slept come to the park and the ones who stayed up all night, go home to rest. They are sharing their apts with fellow occupiers, so it is more diffuse.
You will see people coming and going. Additionally, there are churches and other organizations who are helping to provide nightly shelter to the occupiers who formerly slept in the tents in Zuccotti.
Are they all homeless? Is that why the churches provide nightly shelter to the bums who formerly slept in tents?
Think again. So what about not occupying Zucotti park? Winter is coming, and imho it's better they move to Plan B. They can still protest in the day.There are other ways in getting their message across.
Please don't think that this movement is that fragile--it is not. OWS will not go away.
To be an OWS occupier is the highest form of existence. It is living with courage and self sarifice to make a better future for others
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Yeah the Mayor won, just ignore the 40,000 or so people in (and on all the streets around) Foley Square on the 17th. Isn't there a nap you need to get back to?
That was a union sponsored rally with lawful permits which ows participated in as a bit player as far as numbers of participants are concerned. The ows sponsored events of N17 were a) smaller and b) more disruptive, violent, and negative.
lol....OWS planned the event WITH the UNIONS weeks before the Zuccotti raid, the unions and OWS were marching in solidarity with the 99%. Why do you think it was the 99% logo, and not the UAW or SEIU logo being displayed on the side of the Verizon building? but don't worry, go back to sleep.
Assume your 40,000 is accurate. So what? That's a poor turnout for a Yankees game. Go back to your parents' basement.
Yankees Games are scheduled a year in advance, and played in comfortable stadiums, with food, beer, and bright Jumbotrons, with Billions in advertising and marketing research, and Corporate influe-mongering behind the scenes. AND ZERO THREAT OF ARREST.
This was planned by a handful protesters, advertised with no budget. Less than a week in advance. No food, No beer, No stadium lights, No jumbotron, and A VERY REAL THREAT OF BEING BEATEN/HARASSED/TEAR-GASSED/GRENADED/ARRESTED.
and tens of thousands were willing to take the the risk.
"This was planned by a handful protesters, advertised with no budget. Less than a week in advance. No food, No beer, No stadium lights, No jumbotron, and A VERY REAL THREAT OF BEING BEATEN/HARASSED/TEAR-GASSED/GRENADED/ARRESTED. and tens of thousands were willing to take the the risk."
And that's why eventually OW or a successor movement will prevail. And if the cops say that 32,500 were there, you know that quite a few more were there.
It was a union organized event planned well in advance.
Evidence?
http://blog.aflcio.org/2011/11/15/find-a-bridge-action-near-you-nov-17/
And? What has changed?
minds.
buphiloman, you're arguing with a guy who doesn't have one of those.
@Robert...lol...good point.
OK . Cool. delusional is a nice state of mind to be in.
And the only reason for being arrested or gassed in the threat of or actual violence on behalf of the smelly ows crowd. The tea partiers rallied in DC, 200,000 attended, but they are peaceful. Violence and lawlessness will not be tolerated, and the police will do their jobs. Thank god for them.
Uh,the largest Tea Party rally on record in 2008 was about 80,000. And furthermore the Tea Party is OWNED and FUNDED by the Koch Brothers, billionaire oil magnates and .0001%ers. Of course they weren't tear gassed. They serve their Corporate slave-masters well.
There was no need to use tear gas.
Weren't these teabags the ones who shouted racist slurs and spat on congressmembers? Are they the ones who proclaimed that they are not armed "this time?"
no that would be all the anti-semitic owsers screaming at the "Banksters" whom them believe are Jewish
Banksters rhymes with gangsters, don't you know? And if a lot of these banksters are in fact Jewish does that mean they should be allowed to do whatever? No, I don't think so.
500,000.
I gave you your 40,000 (probably more like 4,000)
A sea of people -- organizers had a permit for 300,000 -- listened, standing shoulder to shoulder across large expanses of the Mall. Some organizers put the number of attendees at 500,000; the National Park Service stopped doing crowd counts in 1997 after it was accused of underestimating numbers for the 1995 Million Man March. It was unclear how many of those who attended were tea party activists.
Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10241/1083541-84.stm#ixzz1eFo9bonK
Did you read the article? It clearly states that this WAS NOT a Tea Party event, the article is about Glenn Beck's Rally to Restore Paranoia
....epic fail
Well, college football now is actually better tonight. The OWSers have all dispersed to their parents' basements, or their college dorms. Too cold to continue to be living like the homeless.
NEWT FOR PRESIDENT!
Obama to the trash can of history.
OWS not even a fart in the face of a strong northeast NYC wind.
Tea Party by another name
OWS is a wholly owned subsidiary of criminal Banksta George Soros.
You are 100% correct !!!!! underling s are acorn, van jones, seiu, trumpka, stern and obama + msnbccbsabcncscnn, reuters, ap, ny times.
Ahhh, a rational human being.
In DC (I was present for the November 17 "action") there were definitely more cops and media than protestors. It was truly pathetic.
Lost. :)
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You can take this commentary to the BANK (Ha! Ha! Pun intended!). OWS will be remembered in history along with the American Revolution of 1776, and other great expressions of Liberty and Freedom....Remembered because of the great success we will have in our demand for freedom from the 1% oppressors.
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Busting a gut laughing at this!! And what exactly has changed as the result of OWS? They don't even any protestors!!! On Live stream there a 448 watching. That's the WHOLE WORLD? Like in "the whole world is watching?" More people are watching a rerun of a 1966 Leave it to Beaver episode on an obscure Canadian cable channel right now. Such a hoot Such narcissism and solipsism. Nothing has changed. Nothing. Newt will be the next President, the Republicans will control both houses of Congress. And WE WILL have a fair tax: a flat tax.
http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/11/18/372361/rep-deutch-introduces-occupied-constitutional-amendment-to-ban-corporate-money-in-politics/
Well you are still here watching so yes people are still watching thanks for adding your numbers to the ows site traffic it helps the search rankings to have you actively participate in this movement thank you "THElardbutt"
OWS has damaged itself tremendously and it is reflected in much of the commentary here and elsewhere. The events of Thursday were wrong headed and damaged ows perhaps permanently. OWS will blame the events of 2 days prior to that but the truth is, it is the group's reaction to the eviction, rather than the eviction itself, which caused the damage. Many people who support ows recognized that the physical occupation was unsustainable and called for a self defined exit strategy which built on the momentum which began at liberty square. Instead that momentum was squandered in a single day burst of misdirected energy.
I think the events of nov 17 were great and went off well for the most part and brought enormous media attention, very often quite positive or simply neutral, which is fine. i am very worried that the square is empty, though. it is terribly important symbolically, and in a movement to communicate, symbols are very important. the mayor will smugly conclude that pd action works. force conquers ideas. this would be sad.
even if it were in and out, a day at a time, six hours in, 24 hours out, ...whatever, the square cannot be abandoned. this worries me. maybe this is a consequence of leaderless-ness, anarchic organization. if so, we must learn from it, adopt new or continue old tactics. but not die!
Me too. I think we need at least a small group of people there around the clock through the winter. I feel like people are still recovering from the police action, too. I feel kind of shocked by it. Someone was telling me that the students in Chile have a 24/7 march that people drop in and out of. They just walk or run continuously in a circle. That would be fun to do and would be a way to stay warm.
really interesting idea. we could do the same in the square, but with less marching, more sitting and conversing (and singing--this helps when things get colder!)
in whatever way, we have to keep re-occupying the park. People come there looking for us, we need to be there
The rally and marches on N17 trumped any celebration that the city can officially organize on its own. It was more exhilariting than any parade the city has hosted which usually involves most people idly watching from the sidewalks. OWS TOOK THE SIDEWALKS, STREETS, SUBWAYS, AND BRIDGES! Bloomberg has never had a parade cross a bridge. When you say it was "misdirected energy" your perspective is absurdly misdirected!!
Yes, and to what end? Most of us already knew that a mob of people is capable of disrupting things. So you've proven what we already knew. The power of the people is to... screw things up?
You fail to take into consideration the collateral damage ows has incurred by engaging in these actions. That collateral damage is the lost support or potential support it needs to affect real change.
I am always fascinated by these opinions--here or elsewhere--that the 'best' way to protest is to never hold a protest action, since these usually inconvenience several people and maybe alienate them. the logical conclusion is that Revereend King should never have marched in Birmingham, Selma, Montgomery, that workers should never, ever strike, and on from there.
Yes, King could have avoided 'alienating' some people (obviously it would be those who were least likely to support him in the first place) but it is impossible to argue that civil rights would have been better advanced by everyone staying home and writing letters to the editor.
protesting is not business as usual, that's the point.
of course we should not bother people beyond some unavoidable level any energetic protest would create, or in ways that distract from our message [this is the great error of the vandals who pretend to be 'anarchists' who sometimes--rarely--invade Occupy activities.] But other than that common-sense limit on behavior, me2's comments and others like it have no real point except that he or she would rather we shut up and go home. me2 is free to say this, of course, and we are free to ignore that unfriendly advice. I
It is possible to hold a lawful and peaceful demonstration.
The unions did on the evening of Nov 17th. OWS was invited and participated even!
OWS did not on the morning or afternoon of Nov 17th, however. What OWS did that morning and afternoon were unlawful obstructive actions that served little purpose other than to be disruptive.
I don't want OWS to shut up and go home. Go read my posts. I want OWS to grow by engaging in productive actions that attract MORE people and illustrate by example how things SHOULD be done. Come on! READ what I've written, it is so very much NOT what I am saying.
And yes I am getting VERY fed up with being cast the way you have cast me, for trying to argue that point, and that exasperation is probably coming through in my writing. And yes, I'm getting to the point where I think OWS is going in the wrong direction and will self destruct. If I wanted that to happen I would leave it be. I actually care and am spending a lot of time here caring. YOUR dismissive attitude, not bothering to actually read my words but just putting a "dislike" on it as soon as it is anything critical whatsoever, is, in a word, bullshit.
i did read the words you had put here. here they are again:
"Yes, and to what end? Most of us already knew that a mob of people is capable of disrupting things. So you've proven what we already knew. The power of the people is to... screw things up?
You fail to take into consideration the collateral damage ows has incurred by engaging in these actions. That collateral damage is the lost support or potential support it needs to affect real change."
That's what i was responding to --your words. sorry that i had not made a study of your complete works beforehand. if you think context is important to understand your words, you should understand that no context was supplied there. anyway, please accept apology for mis-reading you. i agree that Occupy has to progress to new and creative actions and thoughts--including finding something other and more long lasting than simple protest--but i still dont agree that occupy should choose its actions the way you say--to offend no one.
After a lot of anxiety over ows's unwillingness to form a party or 'organization' i've decided that it is just fine like this--this is what these participants can do and do best--and it is up to the rest of us, the people who want to see 'more' or other forms of fighting the system to go and do so. That is, if you (or I) see value in agitating within the Dem Party or the Working Families, or think we need to form a new party, or work up an Occupy org within our unions or church groups or the like, or join with one or another radical faction somewhere, then we should do so. We can still support Occupy, and can hope to earn their support as well, but OWS is likely never going to be a party, or maybe not even a faction within some party or other, as the TP is within the Repub Party. i regret this (and i think i read your comments--now--to agree) since i want something permanently to change in American discourse and American life out of this. But i am not OWS, so i intend to try to support as much as i can, as long as i can. and yes, offering constructive criticism, as you state, is support too.
i hope you can accept this apology, but i do continue to disagree on the question of just how irritating OWS 'should' be.
By Wednesday morning, when I dropped by the park, about 20 people, including some who looked disheveled and homeless, shared food and barely listened to a speaker with a graying ponytail who denounced New York as an “illegitimate police state.” Thursday’s “Day of Action” led to some more arrests, but it didn’t spawn the mass demonstrations some local politicians had predicted, let alone attract the throngs that the Tea Party mustered for a march on Washington in 2009.
you are very involved with a movement you say has no consequences. why is that?
An idea and revolutionary movement is not always a count of bodies. There is time to recoup and reorganize. There was an extensive spokes council meeting last night. This movement is very much alive and it needs no pulse check to affirm its existence.
maybe true, but bodies count more than anything. they did in Egypt, Tunisia, they do in Syria, they did on the bridges and in the squares on Nov 17. this is an issue we must address.
If it's not a body count, why did OWS trumpet 30,000 in NYC?
What is the count now?
I guess it's zero.
ITS OVER!!! IS THERE A YOUTUBE OF A FAT OWS LADY SINGING????
Check twitter, google searches, web trends, those too are counts. Physical presence is not the only means of protesting. The fact that you are here posting and I'm responding is a testament that this movement has not waned.
Read 'em and weep:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=occupy+wall+street&ctab=0&geo=all&date=ytd&sort=0
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/occupywallst.org#
Glad to see that America is now informed of the movement to be able to navigate the issues and protests without Google's search engine. Perhaps the trends have waned because these are populations of people now on the streets across America.
Whatever excuse helps maintain your delusions of grandeur. lol
Might want to take a look at the most recent polls too...
That's ok, I have a city to occupy, not a poll.
Knock yourself out. You're the one who said above to check other counts...
Thank you for your support.
Here it is Fat lady singing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le-BoDs-Yt8
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I agree with this and it is reflected in much of the commentary here and elsewhere. The events of Thursday were wrong headed and damaged ows perhaps permanently. OWS will blame the events of 2 days prior to that but the truth is, it is the group's reaction to the eviction, rather than the eviction itself, which caused the damage. Many people who support ows recognized that the physical occupation was unsustainable and called for a self defined exit strategy which built on the momentum which began at liberty square. Instead that momentum was squandered in a single day burst of misdirected energy.
The rally and marches on N17 trumped any celebration that the city can officially organize on its own. For me, personally it was more exhilariting than any parade the city has hosted which usually involves most people idly watching from the sidewalks. OWS TOOK THE SIDEWALKS, STREETS, SUBWAYS, AND BRIDGES! Bloomberg has never had a parade cross a bridge. When you say it was "misdirected energy" your perspective is absurdly misdirected!!!
Yes, and to what end? Most of us already knew that a mob of people is capable of disrupting things. So you've proven what we already knew. The power of the people is to... screw things up?
You fail to take into consideration the collateral damage ows has incurred by engaging in these actions. That collateral damage is the lost support or potential support it needs to affect real change.
AGAIN your sentiments are not accurate to the occurences of the event. 30,000+ people do not gather as a matter of disruption or inconvenience, they amass as a commonality. If you had crossed the Brooklyn bridge you would have heard and seen the preponderance of cars honking and hands waving out of them in support of the marchers. The projection of messages on the surrounding buildings were seen by many more than just the 30,000 protestors. To your statement that "power of the peoplse is to screw things up" is asinine and naive of the current time we live in. We are marching and protesting BECAUSE THINGS ARE SCREWED UP. Take your ignorance of the economy and global politics somewhere else because your agenda is obviously on the wrong side. You do not represent the majority of the population of Americans which support us, and that again IS A MAJORITY, and likely a GLOBAL MAJORITY.
I'm told ows is inclusive, yet when I express disagreement with its actions, but agreement with its overall message, I am told to go away.
Then stay, but do not pretend to speak for the American people as a whole. I recognize the dissenters to this movement. They have every cause to disagree, as we do. But when it comes to representation of the populace, you are in the minority. That is just a fact that even the thwarted media acknowledges.
Ahhhh Fuck you!!! Trolll!!!!
Name calling is the refuge of the feeble-minded.
But calling someone "feeble minded" is name calling. Holy hypocrisy, Batman!
I didn't call you feeble minded. I stated that a certain action is often associated with a certain type of person. Occasionally we engage in actions that don't reflect upon us particularly well, and our friends may remind us that said actions may have negative connotations that may not be our intention to convey.
I'm sure you understand the difference between attacking a person vs attacking an idea. However your understanding of that distinction isn't exactly reflected in your response here.
I am basking in my Muslim husband's virility this morning.
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I am Sooo Jealous!!!!
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Where have all the hippies gone?
Gone to make money on Wall Street and in DC?
Where have all the OWSers gone?
Gone home to their parents' basements every one!
Well will they ever learn? When will they eeeeeevvvvver learn?