Forum Post: what do u want the result of this movement to be??
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 22, 2011, 10:12 p.m. EST by FontanaCA
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i want to know do you protesters want a big revolution where we change the way we run our lives or do you want little change?do you guys think you should have a leader with a powerful message? what do u want to see come out of this?
We all need more lemon Pledge
I want a president and a congress that will end corporate influence in the passing of our laws.
I think if we can get that accomplished, it will then truly be for the people and by the people, which will solve all other problems from there based on voting.
Ironically, lets get back to the 1950's with those great old cars that were made so well and beautiful like Christine. Now we are stuck with plastic junk from every other country. This is just one example. Great structurally built homes are a thing of the past too. People like us were working and felt good about the job they did at the end of the day. Now, we are getting Masters Degrees to work at McDonalds shoveling out the new BBQ Monster Burgers. This is ridiculous! I want quality products made by my neighbors and myself and we should all be able to retire at a reasonable age with dignity and respect and not taking on the welfare checks! Agree?
A country that actually works towards fulfilling workers basic needs instead of rewarding those who are willing to exploit them.
I would like the U.S. Government raise the tarrifs on these companies who keep their corpoorate offices in America to avoid paying any taxes then move their manufacturing to places like Maylasia. How easy to pay one $3.00 a day rather than employ an American. General Electric is the largest offender. Raise their import tarrifs so high they will beg to come home. They pay NO taxes. Put an end to student loans. Let the U.S. Government give that money to colleges and universitys directly as educational grants.End Foreign Aid. Look who we pay billions to: Pakistan, Egypt, Libya, etc. etc. Use that money to balance the budget and provide care for the children of the poor in America. Quit being the world's police department. How many trillions in 2 ten year wars? It is time to take care of America and bring our country back for the brink of failure.
i like this because im still not out of high school and im worried about college and not being able to afford it... i hear college is far more expensive then it was 20 years ago.. they could have used that money for social programs in this country. i still dont understand why the right wing want tax cuts for corporations when they are just going to send the jobs abroad
I retired from the US Army in 1984 and went to school, on a Vietnam Vets GI Bill. $345.00 per month. Got a Pell Grant that helped out but I ate a lot of Ramen. :) Got a BS in Psych. Why student loans? End all this foreign aid and use this money as "Educational Grants" for student education and college improvements. Politicians are "owned" by corporations along with the mafia. No taxes on their benefactors. Tarrif their manufacturing in foreign countries until they beg for mercy.
Social and Environmental Justice by the transition of communities to sustainable localized economies; based on entrepreneurship, transparency, collaboration, and free trade; within the guidelines of a free and just society for all citizens of the USA. Many resources out there, just a matter of playing "matchmaker" with your piece of the cause. Check out citi5.org , usmanufacturing.org , policymic.com - these are the vehicles of change. Many more out there.
Four Reforms: 1) Taxes-raise to between 50-70% on top income owners; 2) Wall St & Banks-reinstitute Glass-Steagall Act; End derivative trading, short trading, etc.; 3) Electoral system (Eliminate Electoral College, Public funding of Federal Elections; No advertising; Voting on Sundays; Paper trail on electronic voting; easy registration; enough polling stations; 4) Reform legislative process (get rid of filibuster & other parliamentary maneuvers to prevent consideration of bills.
How is that for starters?
thats good but would you trust a democrat in doing this? would i be able to trust a movement like this if i had no idea what was happening? just to point out im 100% for this movement but i want to make sure any random person will not be scared by this. there are many people who dont give a shit about this movement and have no interest in this
In my opinion (and i do not speak for anybody but myself), getting anything done will be nearly impossible. To the degree that things get worse, economically, then the potential for change increases. Therefore, to get something done, we need an organization, leaders or facilitators, and, most importantly, a program that has wide popular appeal. Those are the elements. Getting there is the difficult part. And it appears that the OWS if very diffuse and very inexperienced. But what do I know?
that is a good start from there we can build... how do u guys feel about the democratic party.. are they really on your side or are they just using you guys?
publicly automated verifiable voting
I want to see real, loop-hole free, campaign finance reform. We need to get the corporate and special interest money out of our political system.
I, want a Constitutional Amendment creating government ONLY funding of elections. From there we can vote on issues of greater change.
I agree with this. Right now the corporate money is disenfranchising the American voter.
so i assume you are against this movement right?
Yeah he is. He's been here trolling for weeks with not a few friends.
I'd like to see us demand and my Country implement FDR's 'Second Bill of Rights'. Kudos to Michael Moore for reminding us of FDR's famous address in Capitalism- A Love Affair. FDR’s Economic Bill of Rights Excerpt from President Roosevelt’s January 11, 1944 message to the Congress of the United States on the State of the Union: It is our duty now to begin to lay the plans and determine the strategy for the winning of a lasting peace and the establishment of an American standard of living higher than ever before known. We cannot be content, no matter how high that general standard of living may be, if some fraction of our people—whether it be one-third or one-fifth or one-tenth—is ill-fed, ill-clothed, ill-housed, and insecure. This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present strength, under the protection of certain inalienable political rights—among them the right of free speech, free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights to life and liberty. As our nation has grown in size and stature, however—as our industrial economy expanded—these political rights proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness. We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. “Necessitous men are not free men.” People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made. In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed. Among these are: • The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation; • The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation; • The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living; • The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad; • The right of every family to a decent home; • The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health; • The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment; • And finally, the right to a good education. All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being. America’s own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for all our citizens. For unless there is security here at home, there cannot be lasting peace in the world.
I'd like to see us demand and my Country implement FDR's 'Second Bill of Rights'. Kudos to Michael Moore for reminding us of FDR's famous address in Capitalism- A Love Affair. FDR’s Economic Bill of Rights Excerpt from President Roosevelt’s January 11, 1944 message to the Congress of the United States on the State of the Union: It is our duty now to begin to lay the plans and determine the strategy for the winning of a lasting peace and the establishment of an American standard of living higher than ever before known. We cannot be content, no matter how high that general standard of living may be, if some fraction of our people—whether it be one-third or one-fifth or one-tenth—is ill-fed, ill-clothed, ill-housed, and insecure. This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present strength, under the protection of certain inalienable political rights—among them the right of free speech, free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights to life and liberty. As our nation has grown in size and stature, however—as our industrial economy expanded—these political rights proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness. We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. “Necessitous men are not free men.” People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made. In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed. Among these are: • The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation; • The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation; • The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living; • The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad; • The right of every family to a decent home; • The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health; • The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment; • And finally, the right to a good education. All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being. America’s own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for all our citizens. For unless there is security here at home, there cannot be lasting peace in the world.