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Posted 12 years ago on March 8, 2012, 9:44 p.m. EST by bensdad
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Judge Bars Voter ID in Wisconsin Sandra Khalifa Thursday 8 March 2012
“The impact of the law hit disproportionately hard on the elderly, indigent and minorities.”
A Dane County judge has granted a temporary injunction against Wisconsin’s new voter identification law, which he called “the single most restrictive voter eligibility law” in the country.
Circuit Judge David Flanagan’s ruling Tuesday means the voter ID requirement would not apply for the April 3 presidential primary and local general election.
A spokesman for Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen said the state likely would appeal, and other state election officials pointed out that other aspects of the law will remain in effect, such as having to sign a poll list.
The NAACP’s Milwaukee branch and immigration and worker rights group Voces de la Frontera had sued over the law last year. A trial on whether to grant a permanent injunction is scheduled for April 16.
In granting the injunction, Flanagan found that the plaintiffs likely would succeed at trial and would suffer irreparable harm without the court’s inter vention.
“It’s a solid victory for voting rights and all voters in the state of Wisconsin,” said Richard Saks, attorney for the NAACP, at a news conference Tuesday at St. Mark’s AME Church, 1616 W. Atkinson Ave.
“It’s a win for the hundreds of thousands who have difficulty or find it impossible to get voter ID under Act. 23.”
Rep. Jeff Stone (R-Greendale), a co-sponsor of the voter ID law, said: “Obviously, I’m disappointed. It’s a good piece of legislation. It’s a good law. I’m looking forward to having the decision appealed, and I believe at end of the day we will have a photo ID law in effect in Wisconsin.”
With the primary looming, he wondered whether confusion would ensue.
“Unfortunately . . . we will have our election system going back and forth,” Stone said. “But we will have to allow the legal system to work its way through to get an answer. We have constitutional law.”
Flanagan’s 11-page order covered the history of Wisconsin Supreme Court rulings upholding votes even when they might have run afoul of technical procedural requirements imposed by the Legislature. He distinguished Wisconsin’s voter ID law from Indiana’s voter ID law that was recently upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court.
He also relied on the testimony and reports of the plaintiffs’ expert, professor Kenneth Mayer of the University of Wisconsin-Madison, whose work concluded there were more than 220,000 constitutionally qualified voters in Wisconsin who don’t have the type of ID required under the so-called Act 23 voter ID act, as well as affidavits from 40 residents describing the costs and difficulties they encountered while trying to obtain a photo ID to allow them to vote.
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Flanagan found the impact of the law hit disproportionately hard on the elderly, indigent and minorities.
Not surprisingly, reaction to the decision was split along party lines.
Republican Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald of Juneau said: “Photo ID is a reasonable requirement to make sure that your vote isn’t canceled out by someone else’s fraud. Fifteen states require photo ID for voting, and 16 more require some other form of ID. Our photo ID bill was based on an Indiana law that was upheld as constitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court, and I am confident that the appeals process will once again strike down an activist Dane County judge.”
He added: “With as many questionable signatures, multiple signers and convicted felons as we’ve already seen in the recall process, it makes more sense now more than ever to make sure our elections are clean going forward.”
Cullen Werwie, a spokesman for Gov. Scott Walker, issued the following statement:
“Requiring photo identification to vote is common sense – we require it to get a library card, cold medicine and public assistance. Gov. Walker looks forward to implementing common sense reforms that protect the electoral process and increases citizens’ confidence in the results of our elections.”
He continued: “Ensuring the integrity of our elections is one of the core functions of government. We are confident the state will prevail in its plan to implement photo ID.” ‘Modern-day poll tax’
Democrats cheered the decision.
Mayor Tom Barrett said, “As Judge Flanagan states in his opinion: ‘The right to vote is a fundamental, defining element of our society. The Wisconsin Supreme Court has described it as a “sacred right.’ “
U.S. Rep. Gwen Moore said, “This law does nothing but attempt to return us to an era of Jim Crow politics. Requiring strict photo ID at the polls is nothing more than a modern-day poll tax.”
Moore added, “Our right to vote is one of the most protected rights of any that we enjoy in our democratic system. In fact, the Constitution was amended five times over our nation’s history to reflect this American ideal.”
Christine Neumann-Ortiz, executive director of Voces, said: “Justice has been served, but justice doesn’t come easy, and we’re here to defend and ensure voting rights to all voters.”
She and others involved in the case said, however, that although they prevailed, the court battle is not over.
Saks noted that the initial request for a temporary injunction was denied by Flanagan. But then the parties asked for a hearing and after a full day of testimony from Mayer and affidavits and other evidence, the temporary injunction was granted.
Government Accountability Board Director Kevin Kennedy said the board will take steps to suspend enforcement of the photo ID requirement and discuss impacts of the change with local election officials and the public.
He noted that Tuesday’s ruling does not affect other parts of Act 23 – the requirement that voters have 28 consecutive days of residency and sign a poll list, and ending the practice of allowing someone else to vouch for a voter without proof of residence.
A spokesman with the attorney general’s office, which defended the law, said the office was reviewing the ruling.
The League of Women Voters of Wisconsin also has filed suit in state court challenging the voter ID law. That suit is based on the equal protection clause of the state constitution and says the Legislature never had the authority to pass such a law.
On Monday, Dane County Circuit Judge Richard Niess cleared the way for that case to proceed by dismissing challenges from the state that challenged the league’s standing to bring the case and the naming of Walker in the case, said Andrea Kaminski, executive director of the league.
A hearing on the constitutional issue in the case will be at 1:30 p.m. Friday, she said.
Dear Haters: You conservatrolls are the most emotionally needy codependents on earth. You ain't fooling anyone, cupcakes. And none of you have managed to present a single relevant fact that shows alleged voter fraud to be either widespread or even happening much at all. And just to put your juvenile hysterics into "perspective" (<-- see what I did there, huh? huh?) even if voter fraud was as widespread as some paranoiacs imagine, given the numbers of votes in any given election and the average margins, the probability of such fraud actually making a difference in the outcome of an election is so close to zero as to be indistinguishable from it. Put that in your statistics pipe and smoke it, dumbasses.
Welcome to the Wisconsin voting Booth. Papers Please! Hmmm, they don't seem to be in order. Move away from the line. Next!
people should vote with theur names to be sure they are counted
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Can one thing be explained? How does being a minority make it harder to get an ID?
I find that demoralizing to say one ethnic group is not as capable as another.
the minorities that find it harder to get IDs are the old such as a 90 year old widow with no driver's licence who cannot find her 70 year old marriage licence who has n o drivers licence or the young like a ny college student in tennessee with no tennessee id
IT IS VOTER SUPRESSION pure and simple
And there is not one person on the left that is wants to help here get the ID, It is NOT voter suppression is it a lazy person that knows they need id and does not do anything to get it or ask for help from any one, then they show up to vote and act all surprised that they may not get to vote.
Mr. koch troll: TELL IT TO THE LAZY MARINE:
Voting is an AMERICAN right
Do you support our veterans?
Willing to Die for Their Country, But Unable to Vote in It by Jon Sherman,
In Wisconsin, a veteran with only his or her Veterans Affairs (VA) ID card will be turned away from the polls. "Unjust" and "unconscionable" don't cover this — we need uglier words to describe the disfranchisement of citizens who've served.
I met Sam Bulmer (pictured above) in Milwaukee at VETS Place Central, a shelter which provides transitional housing to homeless veterans. Sam spent 13 of his 63 years in the U.S. Air Force, serving some of that time with the Air Force Training Command. In Iceland, he served as an instructor during preparations for the Iran hostage crisis mission. Sam has no accepted photo ID card for voting in Wisconsin, but he has his VA ID card hanging around his neck. And he can't get a state ID card for free? Actually, no. The Division of Motor Vehicles won't believe Sam is a U.S. citizen until he shows them a certified copy of his birth certificate from Kansas, a document he can't obtain because Kansas wants him to show ID to get it. Sam isn't living off the grid or on the margins — he's worked for General Electric as a trainer on nuclear power plant control room simulation and is currently interviewing for jobs.
Last November, I sat with over 60 veterans like Sam in the basement of VETS Place Central where we talked about Wisconsin's new voter ID law. The vets stood when they spoke. One wanted to know why a military service ID card is good under the new law, but a photo ID card issued by the VA isn't. The VA ID has the veteran's name, a photo, and, if applicable, a special eligibility indicator, such as Service Connected, Purple Heart, or former POW. I didn't have an answer for the soldier — I don't think anyone does. I could tell they were shocked and angry, and rightfully so. That veteran who asked the question hit the nail on the head. Walking back to my car, I scribbled his point down on my legal pad, and the next morning, it was a claim in our lawsuit. The ACLU brought suit to defend the right of veterans to vote with their VA ID cards, because of the outcry in that room.
The two other veteran-plaintiffs in the ACLU's case both come from Chicago. Rickie Harmon served in the U.S. Army. Since he got out, he's drawn designs for electroplating equipment, worked with the Salvation Army, packed IV bags at Abbott Labs, and cleaned dishes after recruit meals at Naval Station Great Lakes. He's now in a work therapy program trying to make the transition to a permanent housekeeping position at the VA medical center. The law tells someone like Rickie that being a veteran isn't enough to vote in this country — he needs a seal of approval from the same agency that administers driving tests. Carl Ellis lacks a copy of his birth certificate. He's been living on food stamps, dealing with medical issues, and can't spare the money to pay for a certified copy of his birth certificate. He's told us: "If I can serve my country, I should be able to vote for who runs it."
This issue is coming to a head. Gil Paar, an Air Force veteran in Mt. Pleasant, Wis., recently took a stand. Even though he had a Wisconsin driver's license, he went to the polls and insisted on using his VA ID card to vote. It looks like he caught the attention of some state legislators, and we hope they come to their senses. The men and women who have served this country will be watching.
You can re-post that forever and is not not change anything from what i stated.
"Can one thing be explained? How does being a minority make it harder to get an ID?"
I'd like to know that answer too. I'm a minority and I had no problem getting mine.
So would you mind a voter ID law to help push away voter fraud as a minority
Does it bother you having a group of people telling you that you are too dumb to get an ID?
I've never been bothered by the insults of children... they're children, after all. They know not what they do.
However, I do see it as indicative of a much deeper pathos in the collective mind of the United States which I find disappointing, to put it mildly.
Good way to put it..
We have voter ID laws in Indiana and im happy for that. It push away voter fraud
And before those laws were in place, how many people were convicted of voter fraud? Seriously - do you know ANY statistics about this issue? ANY at all?
When you get elected by a large margin then no one cares if there was fraud and will not look for any, But when you get elected by lest then 1% a little fraud one way or the other can win or lose the election. It is better to have the rule to protect the right to vote then to let fraud take that right away.
it doesn't matter. like DKA said we need to make it more efficient way of voting. In the old days the reason we didn't have ID laws was because IDs weren't around till the 20th century. IDs are provided free and we have to have them to have jobs, buy drinks, drive, get into movies, use banks/credit unions, libraries, video games school the list goes on and on. So why shouldn't we have and ID when we vote. It helps the system know that the people who are voting are true voters. In Indiana i might add the voter cards are free see here (http://www.in.gov/bmv/2837.htm) so whats the big deal it helps the system become better and we need a better system. I personally have 10 photo IDs from work school drivers license etc. Voter fraud is real happened in Wisconsin and my home town
"Voter fraud is real happened in Wisconsin and my home town " So you are so familiar with the case, please post a link to the newspaper or article that reported the conviction for this crime
look up voter fraud Indiana it all in the headlines its real im sorry if you dont have a ID maybe you just dont care about voting enough.
http://www.southbendtribune.com/sbt-fake-signatures-may-mean-obama-didnt-actually-qualify-in-indiana-20111013,0,181597.story
my home town
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/21/officials-plead-guilty-in-new-york-voter-fraud-case/
New York case
http://www.abc57.com/home/top-stories/Indiana-Secretary-of-State--138722344.html
Indiana State wide
http://www.independentsentinel.com/2011/12/voter-fraud-in-indiana-stuffing-the-ballot-boxes/
http://www.wsbt.com/wsbt-breaking-butch-morgan-llocal-democratic-chairman-resigns-over-ballot-petition-controversy-20111017,0,3138751.story
http://integratednews.com/1134/election-fraud-fix-sought-amid-dem-primary-scandal.html
http://wrapyourheadaround.com/2011/10/18/voter-fraud-in-saint-joseph-county-federal-investigation-to-follow/
is that enough
how did i own voter fraud with the fact that i have 10 IDs
I personally have 10 photo IDs from work school drivers license etc. Voter fraud is real happened in Wisconsin and my home town AND
you are proving your own voter fraud!
FYI
If you own a gun, are you a murderer?
sorry if I'm overly logical.
No and No
It is not something that is much noted or talked about.
It might lead to a better system.
This is the thing about any system - They take maintenance and need continuous improvement. Weed out the loop-holes ( defects ) while inviting enhancing participation ( encourage strength ).
You can not get a job with out ID and yet the left wants you to vote and not prove you are how you claim you are.
And why do you say "left"?
Voting is an AMERICAN right
Do you support our veterans? Willing to Die for Their Country, But Unable to Vote in It
Posted by Jon Sherman, Voting Rights Project at 4:36pm
In Wisconsin, a veteran with only his or her Veterans Affairs (VA) ID card will be turned away from the polls. "Unjust" and "unconscionable" don't cover this — we need uglier words to describe the disfranchisement of citizens who've served.
I met Sam Bulmer (pictured above) in Milwaukee at VETS Place Central, a shelter which provides transitional housing to homeless veterans. Sam spent 13 of his 63 years in the U.S. Air Force, serving some of that time with the Air Force Training Command. In Iceland, he served as an instructor during preparations for the Iran hostage crisis mission. Sam has no accepted photo ID card for voting in Wisconsin, but he has his VA ID card hanging around his neck. And he can't get a state ID card for free? Actually, no. The Division of Motor Vehicles won't believe Sam is a U.S. citizen until he shows them a certified copy of his birth certificate from Kansas, a document he can't obtain because Kansas wants him to show ID to get it. Sam isn't living off the grid or on the margins — he's worked for General Electric as a trainer on nuclear power plant control room simulation and is currently interviewing for jobs.
Last November, I sat with over 60 veterans like Sam in the basement of VETS Place Central where we talked about Wisconsin's new voter ID law. The vets stood when they spoke. One wanted to know why a military service ID card is good under the new law, but a photo ID card issued by the VA isn't. The VA ID has the veteran's name, a photo, and, if applicable, a special eligibility indicator, such as Service Connected, Purple Heart, or former POW. I didn't have an answer for the soldier — I don't think anyone does. I could tell they were shocked and angry, and rightfully so. That veteran who asked the question hit the nail on the head. Walking back to my car, I scribbled his point down on my legal pad, and the next morning, it was a claim in our lawsuit. The ACLU brought suit to defend the right of veterans to vote with their VA ID cards, because of the outcry in that room.
The two other veteran-plaintiffs in the ACLU's case both come from Chicago. Rickie Harmon served in the U.S. Army. Since he got out, he's drawn designs for electroplating equipment, worked with the Salvation Army, packed IV bags at Abbott Labs, and cleaned dishes after recruit meals at Naval Station Great Lakes. He's now in a work therapy program trying to make the transition to a permanent housekeeping position at the VA medical center. The law tells someone like Rickie that being a veteran isn't enough to vote in this country — he needs a seal of approval from the same agency that administers driving tests. Carl Ellis lacks a copy of his birth certificate. He's been living on food stamps, dealing with medical issues, and can't spare the money to pay for a certified copy of his birth certificate. He's told us: "If I can serve my country, I should be able to vote for who runs it."
This issue is coming to a head. Gil Paar, an Air Force veteran in Mt. Pleasant, Wis., recently took a stand. Even though he had a Wisconsin driver's license, he went to the polls and insisted on using his VA ID card to vote. It looks like he caught the attention of some state legislators, and we hope they come to their senses. The men and women who have served this country will be watching.
I say the left because they want no proof at all. They do not care who votes where they come from and how many times they vote if given the chance. and you know i am right about that. Most of the voting mistakes but not all are on the left. I really like it when the dead vote.
Now saying that if the law is Voter ID then it should be free. You should NOT have to pay a tax to vote. Also if the government can find you to pay taxes then you should be able to get an ID. Also where are all the activist helping to get the ID for people that need it? Do they even care or that they simply using this as a issue to stop any voter ID?
Seriusly, have you looked at the number of voter fraud cases in America? Summary
Fraud by individual voters is both irrational and extremely rare. Most citizens who take the time to vote offer their legitimate signatures and sworn oaths with the gravitas that this hard-won civic right deserves. Even for the few who view voting merely as a means to an end, however, voter fraud is a singularly foolish way to attempt to win an election. Each act of voter fraud risks five years in prison and a $10,000 fine - but yields at most one incremental vote. The single vote is simply not worth the price.
Because voter fraud is essentially irrational, it is not surprising that no credible evidence suggests a voter fraud epidemic. There is no documented wave or trend of individuals voting multiple times, voting as someone else, or voting despite knowing that they are ineligible. Indeed, evidence from the microscopically scrutinized 2004 gubernatorial election in Washington State actually reveals just the opposite: though voter fraud does happen, it happens approximately 0.0009% of the time. The similarly closely-analyzed 2004 election in Ohio revealed a voter fraud rate of 0.00004%. National Weather Service data shows that Americans are struck and killed by lightning about as often.
Many vivid anecdotes of purported voter fraud have been proven false or do not demonstrate fraud. Although there are a few scattered instances of real voter fraud, many of the vivid anecdotes cited in accounts of voter fraud have been proven false or vastly overstated. In Missouri in 2000, for example, the Secretary of State claimed that 79 voters were registered with addresses at vacant lots, but subsequent investigation revealed that the lots in question actually housed valid and legitimate residences. Similarly, a 1995 investigation into votes allegedly cast in Baltimore by deceased voters and those with disenfranchising felony convictions revealed that the voters in question were both alive and felony-free.
Many of the inaccurate claims result from lists of voters compared to other lists - of deceased individuals, persons with felony convictions, voters in other states, etc. These attempts to match information often yield predictable errors. In Florida in 2000, a list of purged voters later became notorious when it was discovered that the “matching” process captured eligible voters with names similar to - but decidedly different from - the names of persons with felony convictions, sometimes in other states entirely. A 2005 attempt to identify supposed double voters in New Jersey mistakenly accused people with similar names but whose middle names or suffixes were clearly different, such as “J.T. Kearns, Jr.” and “J.T. Kearns, Sr.,” of being the same person. Even when names and birthdates match across lists, that does not mean there was voter fraud. Elementary statistics students are often surprised to learn that it is more likely than not that among just 23 individuals, two will share a birthday. Similar statistics show that for most reasonably common names, it is extremely likely that at least two people with the same name in a state will share the same date of birth. The ostensible “matches” may not represent the same person at all.
Other allegations of fraudulent voting often turn out to be the result of common clerical errors, incomplete information, or faulty assumptions. Most allegations of voter fraud simply evaporate when more rigorous analysis is conducted.
Voter fraud is often conflated with other forms of election misconduct. It is extremely rare for individuals to vote multiple times, vote as someone else, or vote despite knowing that they are ineligible. These rare occurrences, however, are often conflated with other forms of election irregularities or misconduct, under the misleading and overbroad label of “voter fraud.u201D Some of these other irregularities result from honest mistakes by election officials or voters, such20as confusion as to whether a particular person is actually eligible to vote. Some irregularities result from technological glitches, whether sinister or benign: for example, voting machines may record inaccurate tallies. And some involve fraud or intentional misconduct perpetrated by actors other than individual voters: for example, flyers may spread misinformation about the proper locations or procedures for voting; thugs may be dispatched to intimidate voters at the polls; missing ballot boxes may mysteriously reappear. These more common forms of misconduct are simply not addressed by the supposed “anti-fraud” measures generally proposed.
Raising the unsubstantiated specter of mass voter fraud suits a particular policy agenda. Voter fraud is most often invoked as a substantial problem in order to justify particular election policies. Chief among these is the proposal that individuals be required to show photo ID in order to vote - a policy that disenfranchises up to 10% of eligible citizens. But the only misconduct that photo ID addresses is the kind of voter fraud that happens as infrequently as death by lightning. Therefore, it suits those who prefer photo ID as a policy to lump as much misconduct in with “voter fraud” as possible, to create the impression that the problem is far more significant than it actually is. Moreover, to the extent photo ID is suggested as a solution to the perception that voter fraud occurs, it behooves those who prefer photo ID to reinforce the unsubstantiated perception that voter fraud exists.
Claims of voter fraud should be carefully tested before they become the basis for action. Researchers, reporters, public figures, and policymakers confronted with claims of potential fraud should carefully examine these claims before calling for action. Do the claims depend on matching information from one list to another? Is the matching process accurate? Does a match indicate an illegal vote, or is there a more plausible explanation? Is corroborating evidence available? If there actually appears to be a problem, can it be addressed by existing practices, or is a new solution necessary? If so, will the solution proposed - usually either a mass purge or photo identification - really solve the problem? Is the solution sufficiently burdensome that it becomes a greater problem than the problem itself? These basic questions are crucially important to evaluating claims of voter fraud, but are all too often unasked and unanswered.
THE WORK OF THE BRENNAN CENTER
National. Following the report of the 2005 Commission on Federal Election Reform (the “Carter-Baker Commission"), the Brennan Center and Commissioner Spencer Overton prepared a detailed analysis of claims of voter fraud, in the context of a proposed photo identification requirement.
Georgia. In October 2005, a Georgia federal court enjoined implementation of a law requiring photo ID. On appeal, the Brennan Center filed an amicus brief, arguing that the threat of impersonation fraud, which the law purported to combat, is extremely rare and could not justify the ID requirement.
Indiana. In 2006, the Brennan Center filed an amicus brief with the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals, presenting evidence that impersonation fraud is an extremely unlikely and unsubstantiated occurrence. The brief also catalogued practices in other states that effectively curbed election fraud without resorting to restrictive identification requirements.
New Jersey. In 2005, a list of purported and potential fraudulent votes was delivered to the state Attorney General, with a demand that the voter rolls be purged. Together with a prominent political scientist, the Brennan Center demonstrated the flaws in the matching process used to generate the list, and proved that the vast majority of allegations in fact yielded no reason for concern.
If there are those that need help getting ID then help them. I need to have ID to drive, and ID to buy beer, ID to cash a check at a bank, ID to to get a job, ID to apply to get a loan. ID when i see a doctor. So now we are moving to ID to vote. GET OVER IT.
get over it - you are an Rs
????
i have to show a photo I.D. to change cable equipment. dems against a photo I.D. to vote is about insuring voter fraud.
bensdad is what is considered a hard core Leftist and logic and facts don't mean a thing to him. Only feelings and Ideology,that's all that appeals to most all Leftist's.
Tell that to our veterans-
http://occupywallst.org/forum/we-won-one/#comment-670504
My dad is a Vet and has ID, My Dad's dad was a vet and had ID, There is not perfect system, but do not stand in the way when we try to correct the errors it has. And i know this can also cause errors and that will be corrected. But doing nothing is stupid.
Dumbass. What's your problem with proving who you are? If you're too lazy to get an ID I doubt you're going to vote anyway unless the Dems come around and offer you some cash to get on the bus and go vote. You're a moron.
tell it to the judge, sweetheart
No,while I think its a stupid decision I'm asking you.What's your problem with proving who you are? Explain how this does anything other than prevent voter fraud?
Good luck. He/she/it/a Marxist won't answer you with anything coherent. The Left knows that they are likely to get votes from people that are illegal aliens and not legally registered. In other words fuck the Constitution. We are right and the end justifies the means. That is why the Left is the enemy of everything decent and good in humanity. Liberalism poisons everything it touches.
How many " votes from people that are illegal aliens and not legally registered." have been documented in the last ten years? convicted? On Rs voter official claimed 950 zombies voted in the recent state election - the legal investigation disclosed the closest they got to a zomie vote was one voter who died a few hours AFTER he legally voted.How many " votes from people that are illegal aliens and not legally registered." have been documented in the last ten years? convicted? Do you have the co urag e to prove me wrong? If you can, I'm sure the koch brothers will double your pay.
Great post.
Tell it to the Marines, troll:
NASHVILLE, Tenn. - This Super Tuesday marked the first time that Tennessee voters were required to show a Photo ID in order to vote. One local veteran believes that the new law imposes limits on voter rights, rights he fought to protect.
The Voter ID law passed in April 2011 and made Tennessee one of 15 states to require photo identification for voting. The new law has been met with controversy as some believe it alienates voters and makes it harder for minorities and senior citizens to vote. Supporters of the law believe it cuts down on voter fraud and provides more clear voting results.
Under the law, anyone who cannot show proper identification can only vote by provisional ballot. The law does not affect individuals in nursing homes or group homes.
When former marine, Tim Thompson went to vote on Tuesday he was asked for an ID and refused to show it. While Thompson does have photo identification, he refused to show it in protest of the new law.
"I've earned my right to vote, for them to not to let me vote because I don't have an ID .Don't get me wrong, but I refuse to show it. I refuse to abide by this law," he said.
Thompson said he feels that the Voter ID law prohibits the poor, many minorities and the elderly from the right to vote, a right that many have fought and died for.
"I've used this for 37 years," he said showing his voter registration card, "This was good enough for my father, it was good enough for my grandfather and I refuse to show you a picture ID,"
When Indiana got the ID law you would have to live under a stone so NOT know what you need a photo ID to vote. It was in TV, Radio, newspaper, Hell i even saw a billboard on the highway about the it. So if you choose to not get any ID then you only had yourself to blame. But that was Indiana. I do not live in Tenn. This Vet choose to not show an ID that he had, well good for him, But in the end he choose not to vote it seems. Does he still NOT wear a seat belt in a car? it was not the law when for like forever but it is the law now. ( I not not know if there is a seat belt law in Tenn. but there is one here in Indiana.) the point is laws change.
voting is a right IN THE CONSTITUTION driving a car is not
Voting maybe a right but then who have the right to vote? So can i bring in boat of french citizens to vote? when the time to vote happens and they happen to be in America at that time. why can they not vote then. ?
The same Nashville that make it a crime to occupy/camp out on public property not marked for camping? Offenders to be punished by fines and year in jail. Signed by Gov Haslam (D)
The same Nashville and state of TN that used to ship hispanics across the border, Sundquist (D) and Gaylord (Big Money Corp) and then passed laws allowing them to get no-document driver's licenses whil citizens that did not look hispanic had to jump through all the hoops.
Show the ID, not a problem.
It would seem the (D) succumbed to pressure of rational people sick of having their communities over-run with illegals.
Not that it has bearing on your point but Haslam is actualy a member of the Republican political party. I imagine there inexhaustible reserves of (D)'s behaving conservatively. It is a tendency our species is quite used to, assuming there is enough xenophobia and non-specific fear to elicit it.
They all look alike to me and it passed through TN's house with overwhelming support from both sides.