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Forum Post: We were all born with a natural instinct to gather and store for survival. A natural instinct to care for family and community. This is human nature.  When modern society was formed, we began to sell out our natural instincts. Survival turned into survi

Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 6, 2011, 1:31 a.m. EST by ModestCapitalist (2342)
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We were all born with a natural instinct to gather and store for survival. A natural instinct to care for family and community. This is human nature. 

When modern society was formed, we began to sell out our natural instincts. Survival turned into survival with a little more elbow room. Then survival with a little more elbow room and a nice view. Then survival with a little more elbow room, a nice view, and something pretty to hang around our neck.

Fast forward a few thousand years. With the industrial revolution, came mechanized transportation, modern housing, air conditioning, and television.

We had become somewhat spoiled. Somewhat motivated. Still relatively down to Earth. Still modest enough to appreciate one another, care for one another, and work towards a common goal.

Along the way, the potential for increased personal wealth became more and more intoxicating. Now, the vast overwhelming majority want to be rich. They want it so badly, they are willing to sell out basic morality to attain it. They WILL sell out basic morality if given the opportunity.

How can I be so sure? That's easy. Human nature plus years of corrupt influence plus opportunity.

Mother Nature did not plan for modern society. She did not plan for extreme personal wealth. Once attained, we become fully intoxicated. We simply can not process the concept without being corrupted by it. Without compromising our basic morality.

Extreme personal wealth is the single greatest corrupt influence of modern society. With every 'zero' on the paycheck, our basic instincts to care for family and community are compromised.

Those of you who still aren't convinced, consider this: 

If God himself gave you the power to end poverty, bring about world peace, and take a bonus of $100,000,000 for yourself, would you do it?

If God himself gave you the power to end poverty, bring about world peace, OR take a bonus of $100,000,000 for yourself, which would you choose?

Which would the vast overwhelming majority choose?

Why are the richest men and women in the world so incredibly determined to get even richer?

How did the world's wealth become so incredibly concentrated?

Why is the concept of a partial redistribution for the good of all so incredibly divisive and controversial?

How is it that virtually every developed nation in the world has become riddled with fear, instability, and rising debt?

How have so many world leaders and those affiliated become even richer even as their own economies falter?   

The answer is greed. The obsessive desire for extreme personal wealth.  It's become a worldwide epidemic.   

Not only is the greatest concentration of wealth in world history the single greatest underlying cause of economic instability. The very concept of extreme personal wealth is the most intoxicating and corrupt influence in the history of mankind.

  There will be no recovery.

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[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 13 years ago

Agreed, so perhaps you would consider our group's proposal of an alternative online direct democracy of government and business at http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/strategically_weighted_policies_organizational_operating_structures_tactical_investment_procedures_as_of_11_6_2011 , for this is a small-business-bottom-up approach, not today's big-business-top-down approach, so if agreed, join our group's 20 members committed to that plan at http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/

[-] 1 points by jr8686 (2) 13 years ago

ATTENTION ALL PROTESTERS!!! Do you really think you are doing your country a favor?!?! Would you like to know what you all look like? You look like the cowards in the middle east reeking havoc in the streets like heathens!!! And you are doing nothing but hurting the businesses around the areas in which you protest. If you really want to do some good, take it to Obama's doorstep. The rally should be in front of the WHITE HOUSE. Don't hold the rallies in the streets of our average american cities where people are trying to make a living. That is my only request. Good luck.

[-] 1 points by ModestCapitalist (2342) 13 years ago

So you're fine with the online protest?

[-] 1 points by deejayshin (16) 13 years ago

TO OCCUPY:

(YOU) are (poor) but (RICH) (they) are (rich) but (poor)

(YOU) have (HEART) (they) need to search their (hearts)

(they) are lazy and unwise let (them) go to the ants and become (wise)

(WE) rather have little (RIGHTEOUNESS) than abundant products with (interests %) without (JUSTICE)

[-] 1 points by me2 (534) 13 years ago

That ain't how it happened nohow.

I was not born with a natural instinct to gather and store for survival nor a natural instinct to care for family and community and neither were you. What we were born with was a grasping reflex, a rooting reflex, and a sucking reflex. Start over with that and turn it into some highfalutin tome.

[-] 1 points by ModestCapitalist (2342) 13 years ago

Perhaps you can explain why babies prefer their mother over a toaster. Why they cry when left alone. Why they calm when held.

Then explain why you would disregard not only every point made within my post but also the cause itself.

Let me take a wild guess here.

You're opposed to redistribution aren't you?

That's what I thought.

Next.

[-] 1 points by me2 (534) 13 years ago

No I'm opposed to strained political allegories of all stripes.

[-] 1 points by ModestCapitalist (2342) 13 years ago

Please direct my attention to a previous post in which you support the cause.

And make sure it's not that "blame the government and only the government" crap.

[-] 0 points by betuadollar (-313) 13 years ago

I'll explain why. Because I do not see too many of those with OWS redistributing their wealth. But the wealth is obviously there or you would not be there.

Personally, I've only ever had but one goal in life. And that was to rule the world.

[-] 1 points by ModestCapitalist (2342) 13 years ago

Then you're on the wrong site.

Again, work on your transparency.

Next.

[-] 0 points by betuadollar (-313) 13 years ago

haha...

[-] 0 points by betuadollar (-313) 13 years ago

haha... that's funny.

[-] 1 points by ModestCapitalist (2342) 13 years ago

That makes two who took the time to visit a page devoted to a serious global issue but have nothing relevant to say. Not one word about the cause. Just anger and ridicule.

You'll have to be somewhat transparent if you hope to phase me in any way. These petty stunts will not produce the desired effect.

Next.

[-] 0 points by betuadollar (-313) 13 years ago

I'm not completely "buying" me2's comment, that's all. And now you see how capitalism is actually incorporated into the language. Note that these verbal choices were made hundreds of year ago.

[-] 1 points by ModestCapitalist (2342) 13 years ago

The rich and famous do not want to be seen as 'pigs' or go down in history as 'villains'. They want to be seen as 'heros' and go down in history as 'humanitarians'. The market for their product has become global. The fan base has become global. Therefore, the 'humanitarian' effort and 'good will' PR machine has gone global.  These 'humanitarian' efforts and 'good deeds' are not chosen to address the greatest need or injustice. They are chosen almost exclusively to appeal to the largest demographic for their respective commercial products. The largest fan base.  Efficiency or effect is of little or no concern. Its all about PR, marketing, image, and fame.

This is why the rich and famous have all taken up 'philanthropy' or 'good will' around the world. This is why so many have 'schools' or 'foundations' in their name. This is why so many play golf or appear on a TV game show for 'charity'. This is why so many sign motorcycles, other merchandise, or auction off their own 'personal effects' for 'charity'. This is why so many have TV shows with a 'charitable' gimmick. This is why so many arrange photo ops with wounded veterans, firefighters, or sick children. This is why so many have adopted children from around the world (Which they always pay others to care for full time. The hired professionals are sworn by legal contract to confidentiality. Not allowed to discuss or appear in public with the children they care for. Those 'photo' and 'interview' opportunities are reserved exclusively for the rich and famous 'adoptive' parents.). This is why every 'humanitarian' effort and 'good deed' is plastered all over the media worldwide. Its not about 'humanity' or 'good will'. Its all about marketing, image, fame, and PROFIT. This is why we are so often reminded of their respective 'good deeds' or 'humanitarian' efforts shortly before or after the release of their latest commercial product. 

Charitywatch.org and Charitynavigator.org are both non-profit charity watchdogs. Of all the well rated charities (about 1500) only three are closely affiliated with celebrities. Michael J Fox (not the primary donor), Tiger Woods (not the primary donor), and Bill Clinton (not the primary donor). That's three well rated celebrity foundations out of 1500. In general, celebrity foundations run like crap because they blow half the money on private jet rides, five star accommodations, and PR crews.

The fans have been terribly misled. For example:

Virtually every penny 'donated' by Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt to date has come from repeated sales of baby photos. With each sale, the baby money goes to the 'Jolie-Pitt' foundation. A foundation which has never done anything but shelter funds. The 'donation' is immediately publicized worldwide.     

When Jolie or Pitt have a new movie to promote, a portion is then donated from their own 'foundation' to a legitimate charity. This leaves their ignorant fans under the impression that 'another' donation has been made. When in fact, its the same baby money being transferred again and again. Another portion is blown on private jet rides, super-exclusive accommodations, photo ops, and PR crap. This saves Jolie and Pitt millions in travel/stay expenses and their respective studios tens of millions in advertising. It's all very calculated. 

Of course, Jolie and Pitt could simply endorse any of the 1500 most efficient and effective charities. Of course, the baby money would go much further and do far more good if it were donated to such charities to begin with. 

But that would be too boring. 

The 'Make it Right' Foundation took in over $12,000,000 the first year alone. Tens of millions overall. Brad Pitt has never been the primary donor, planner, or designer. He is a figurehead and salesman with a position on the board of advisors. Nothing more. Still, he has been showered with glorious praise by fellow celebrities and media outlets around the world. Again, the fans have been terribly misled. 

In order to move into a 'green' home, the innocent victims of Katrina are required to provide a property deed, meet a number of financial requirements, and pay an average of $75,000 UP FRONT. The difference is offered in cheap loans or on occasion (according to the website) forgiven. To date, only a few dozen former home owners have qualified. 

The 'Make it Right' foundation was never intended to help the lower income residents of New Orleans reclaim anything lost in Katrina. In fact, 'Make it Right' is part of a calculated effort to rebuild the Lower Ninth Ward without them. Part of a calculated effort to raise property values in the area by displacing the poor. They are by design, excluded. Unable to qualify.   Of course, Brad Pitt could have simply endorsed 'Habitat For Humanity'. A well known, proven, and efficient home building operation. Of course, the tens of millions in funding would have gone MUCH further.

But that would be too boring.   Big name celebrities have no desire to make the world a better place. 

Their primary goal is to appear as if they do.

It's a sham. Good will has become big business.

[-] 1 points by pk7 (64) 13 years ago

Well maybe some charity has become big business, but isn't it a little presumptuous to claim that all big name celebrities and rich people just do charity for publicity? Do you really think not one of these people truly wants to help people? I have a hard time believing that.

[-] 1 points by ModestCapitalist (2342) 13 years ago

Why would a 'humanitarian' deliberately concentrate even more wealth when the world's wealth is already more concentrated than ever before?

Name one exception.

[-] 1 points by pk7 (64) 13 years ago

I really don't understand the point you are trying to make. They might be rich, but that doesn't mean that they're not capable of feeling compassion and wanting to help others. I just don't buy that Angelina Jolie has to fly all over the world, adopt children from poor countries, give millions of dollars to charity just to remain popular enough to remain a highly paid actress. I think she really cares. I have had two rich people (uncles) in my family, and they had very kind hearts and did plenty to help family members and other charities.

[-] 1 points by ModestCapitalist (2342) 13 years ago

Jolie and Pitt sold their babies photos for their own 'foundation'. A foundation which does nothing but shelter funds. Since then, they have deliberately concentrated hundreds of millions of dollars.

A heavy concentration of wealth causes poverty. It causes social instability.

Check the news lately? Do you think Jolie and Pitt have caught a story or two?

If so, why do they still concentrate the world's wealth?

Why?

Why? Why?

Why? Why? Why?

[-] 1 points by pk7 (64) 13 years ago

Where's the proof that it's sheltering funds? My problem with your original statement is that you claim all rich and famous are just giving to charity for publicity, and I just don't agree. I'm sure some do, but I just have a little more faith that not all rich people are evil and have an ulterior motive for giving. I believe that some people are doing it because it makes them feel good to help people. If you've ever helped someone, try to remember that feeling you got when you saw their face light up or saw their appreciation. I know how that feels, and I'm sure that is the motivation to help for many.

[-] 1 points by ModestCapitalist (2342) 13 years ago

Do the research. Then explain why they would deliberately concentrate even more wealth when it's already more concentrated than ever.

[-] 1 points by ModestCapitalist (2342) 13 years ago

This post will be a little sloppy for starters. I will clean it up and repost a better essay later. I just want to get the discussion started on how actors and executives use the illusion of 'good will' to maximize their own profits. It's a complicated web of affiliation.

How do modern era celebrities get so incredibly rich? It's not as simple as making movies and selling tickets anymore. Major studios and TV networks are now owned by giant corporations which also own entities within other industries. Their strategies to maximize profits are more calculated than ever.

For example, Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie have had a special relationship with NBC for years. Countrywide and other banking entities have been sponsors. Not to mention Lowes, Home Depot, and Electrolux. But it's not as simple as selling ad space anymore. NBC is owned by GE. GE also owns at least one major production studeo and entities within the banking industry.

Giant corporations have been working together for years with major media outlets to increase profits. Part of their strategy has been to cross-market their products and services. Also to affiliate with celebrities and create the illusion of 'good will'. When in fact, the idea is to increase awareness and demand for every product and service provided within the umbrella of parent companies and corporate sponsors. New Orleans is known worldwide for it's unique culture. Tourism has been big business in the area for decades. Make it Right is now affiliated with Hyatt Regency. A high end hotel right next to the New Orleans Stadium. There is already a giant dual promotion planned for next spring. Ellen Degeneres (NBC juggernaut) is going to play a major role in this dual promotion. Housing, the related financing and home improvements have also been big business for decades.

If the Lower Ninth Ward is redeveloped with fewer poor people, property values will be increased along with profits made by all those affiliated with Make it Right. The web of affiliation with Pitt, NBC, GE, Hyatt, Lowes, Home Depot, and the banking industry is sprawling to say the least. The operation has also been used to promote at least one 'home improvement' TV show that I know of. Holmes on Homes. I don't recall the network but the show is designed to sell more high end home improvements. It's all very calculated.

I'm telling you that good will has become big business.

If any of you have some more shady details, I'd like to read them.

[-] 1 points by genanmer (822) 13 years ago

Ironically if world peace is ever attained and groups collaborate regardless of monetary incentives/disincentives the quality of life for everyone would be several magnitudes higher than it is now.

That $100,000,000 wouldn't be able to purchase a fraction of that kind of lifestyle because technologies would no longer be suppressed. Plus, look out for hyperinflation.

[-] 1 points by ModestCapitalist (2342) 13 years ago

Two examples of rotten disgusting immoral behavior involving five very well known filthy disgusting rich multi-hundred-millionaire fake humanitarian celebrity pigs.

 The ugly truth about the housing market, Countrywide, predatory lending, and the endorsements of Oprah Winfrey, Ellen Degeneres, and Dr Phil. Ch'Ching!

The first subprime loans were issued in 1994. It was a gimmick to sell more homes, artificially inflate the market, sell more homes at higher profits, foreclose on those who could not pay when the ARM rates readjusted, take their homes leaving them with nothing to show for their payments, resell the homes at a higher profit and so on. It was a cruel and calculated plan to sell more homes and artificially inflate the market. Those loans were incredibly profitable for well over a decade before the house of cards finally collapsed. In the meantime, bankers got richer along with the richest one percent who made off with higher dividends. It was a sham.

The biggest player in the game was Countrywide. Endorsed by Oprah Winfrey, Ellen Degeneres, and Dr Phil. If you have their shows from '04' to '06' on tape, watch them again. All three were paid millions specifically to endorse Countrywide by name. The biggest subprime player in the game. They issued more ARM loans than anyone else. Foreclosing on those who could not make their monthy payments when the rates suddenly went through the roof. It was a cruel and calculated plan to sell more homes, artificially inflate the market, foreclose, and resell for a higher profit. The sham worked like a charm for 12 years before the house of cards finally fell in.

At this approximate time, the worthless paper was sold to unsuspecting investors.

Oprah, Ellen, and Dr Phil were paid millions for their endorsements. Ch'Ching!

They have always had their ignorant love-sick fans eating right out of their hands. This alone is irresponsible. But to stand there and tell their ignorant love-sick fans to run out and get a loan from the biggest rat in the industry. That's just sick. 

These three pigs are not naive little uninformed twits like Paris Hilton. They are educated, informed, and extremely savvy mass media juggernauts. They knew damn well about predatory lending. It was a common phrase by then. Still, they stood there and endorsed the biggest subprime rat in the industry. They did so with a big fat FAKE smile on their face. Unfortunately, public figures are not legally required to be straight with their ignorant fans.

But they God damn well should be.

Bono is no humanitarian. In fact, he made millions from a shady deal with Live Nation in which other investors were made to subsidize his multi-million dollar stock options regardless of market value. The stock tanked, Bono unloaded, and those 'other' investors did in fact take giant losses in part, so the filthy disgusting rich multi-hundred-millionaire 'humanitarian' Bono would not have to. 

Ch'Ching! 

Just another rotten immoral disgusting trick perpetrated in the name of greed.

Madonna secured a similar deal with Live Nation. 

I've said it many times and I will say it many more. 

There is no such thing as a multi-millionaire humanitarian.

[-] 1 points by alfi (469) 13 years ago

we are of the same mind, please look, see if you agree, and then please help:

http://openassembly.org

http://occupywallst.org/forum/i-demand-informed-direct-democracy-online-whos-wit/

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 13 years ago

Your point?

[-] 1 points by bettersystem (170) 13 years ago

Force Change, Boycott Capitalism

We know what the problem is, let us fix it and move forward together.

When you look at a republican or democrat, congress or FDA official, Judges and Justice Department, you see criminals.

Our corruption dates back many years to when those, who in trying to preserve slavery, had to find new ways to preserve it and so created a scientific and advanced form of slavery.

Only two components were required -- the illusion of freedom & choice and the taking away of the freedom to live off the land.

This is how to get people to submit themselves to exploitation, mind numbing or degrading work, fool and oppress them into it.

Our current system is rooted in corruption and every attempt in preserving it involves manipulating human thought and turning people against one another.

In America the population has been transformed into two major voting groups but they only have one choice.

They had been distracted up until now with television and American culture which prospered through the oppression of other nations.

Americans allowed themselves to be fooled into using their military and economic dominance to seize resources of other nations and create expanding markets for American profiteers.

Now that technology, competition and conscience have evolved Americans are realizing that our current system of government is damaging and unsustainable.

Our government officials have allowed private profits and personal benefits to influence decisions that affect the health and well-being of people all over the planet, not just in America... how much longer will we allow them to rule over us??

Occupy Washington and demand that government officials resign their posts.

We will setup new online elections with a verification system that will allow us to see our votes after we cast them, put our new officials in office and work toward rebuilding our country and our world.

Pass this message along to any and everyone, we already occupy the world, unite.

Occupy Washington, Boycott Capitalism, Force Change -- http://wesower.org

[-] 1 points by ModestCapitalist (2342) 13 years ago

The ugly truth. America's wealth is STILL being concentrated. When the rich get too rich, the poor get poorer. These latest figures prove it. AGAIN.

According to the Social Security Administration, 50 percent of U.S. workers made less than $26,364 in 2010. In addition, those making less than $200,000, or 99 percent of Americans, saw their earnings fall by $4.5 billion collectively. The sobering numbers were a far cry from what was going on for the richest one percent of Americans.

The incomes of the top one percent of the wage scale in the U.S. rose in 2010; and their collective wage earnings jumped by $120 billion. In addition, those earning at least $1 million a year in wages, which is roughly 93,000 Americans, reported payroll income jumped 22 percent from 2009. Overall, the economy has shed 5.2 million jobs since the start of the Great Recession in 2007. It’s the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression in the 1930’s.

Another word about the first Great Depression. It really was a perfect storm. Caused almost entirely by greed. First, there was unprecedented economic growth. There was a massive building spree. There was a growing sense of optimism and materialism. There was a growing obsession for celebrities. The American people became spoiled, foolish, naive, brainwashed, and love-sick. They were bombarded with ads for one product or service after another. Encouraged to spend all of their money as if it were going out of style. Obscene profits were hoarded at the top. In 1928, the rich were already way ahead. Still, they were given huge tax breaks. All of this represented a MASSIVE transfer of wealth from poor to rich. Executives, entrepreneurs, developers, celebrities, and share holders. By 1929, America's wealthiest 1 percent had accumulated around 40% of all United States wealth. The upper class held around 30%. The middle and lower classes were left to share the rest. When the majority finally ran low on money to spend, profits declined and the stock market crashed.

 Of course, the rich threw a fit and started cutting jobs. They would stop at nothing to maintain their disgusting profit margins and ill-gotten obscene levels of wealth as long as possible. The small business owners did what they felt necessary to survive. They cut more jobs. The losses were felt primarily by the little guy. This created a domino effect. The middle class shrunk drastically and the lower class expanded. With less wealth in reserve and active circulation, banks failed by the hundreds. More jobs were cut. Unemployment reached 25% in 1933. The worst year of the Great Depression. Those who were employed had to settle for much lower wages. Millions went cold and hungry. The recovery involved a massive infusion of new currency, a World War, and higher taxes on the rich. With so many men in the service, so many women on the production line, and those higher taxes to help pay for it, the lions share of United States wealth was gradually transfered back to the middle class. This redistribution of wealth continued until the mid seventies. This was the recovery. A massive redistribution of wealth.   Then it began to concentrate all over again. Here we are 35 years later. The richest one percent now own over 40 percent of all US wealth. The lower 90 percent own less than 25 percent of all US wealth. This is true even after taxes, welfare, financial aid, and charity. It is the underlying cause. No redistribution. No recovery.

The government won't step in and do what's necessary. Not this time. It's up to us. Support small business more and big business less. Support the little guy more and the big guy less. It's tricky but not impossible.

No redistribution. No recovery.

Those of you who agree on these major issues are welcome to summarize this post, copy it, link to it, save it, show a friend, or spread the word in any fashion. Most major cities have daily call-in talk radio shows. You can reach thousands of people at once. They should know the ugly truth. Be sure to quote the figures which prove that America's wealth is still being concentrated. I don't care who takes the credit. We are up against a tiny but very powerful minority who have more influence on the masses than any other group in history. They have the means to reach millions at once with outrageous political and commercial propaganda. Those of us who speak the ugly truth must work incredibly hard just to be heard.

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 13 years ago

But, capitalism is not the problem.

[-] 1 points by bettersystem (170) 13 years ago

how did we get here?

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 13 years ago

Because market and state and intertwined making corruption not only a possibility, but inevitable. The problem is not the greed of bankers and politicians. This is a natural human characteristic that will always permeate in any type of system whether it be an anarchy, capitalism, direct democracy, communism, etc... The key is to limit the part that greed plays in the system. Trying to abolish greed is useless. Capitalism has been the best system so far, but we need to fix it by putting laws in place to separate market and state.

[-] 1 points by bettersystem (170) 13 years ago

there's a lot of cleaning up to do, from the financial sector to the food and drug administration where big pharma writes our bills, energy, where energy companies write our bills, to weapons and manufacturing who fool us into war, drug enforcement which funnels money to weapons building and throws kids in privately owned jails for smoking a joint while letting the entire nation get hooked on pain killers, anti-depressants, pressure & cholesterol and most alarmingly children on behavior modification drugs. - "they" have wedged themselves between us and our freedom to live.

to go against them or the capitalist system they head would mean death.

this is a crime, the system for the exchange of goods and the system of government by and for the well-being of people should always be seperate.

this new form of slavery must end.

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 13 years ago

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