Forum Post: We need a better way to communicate than this!
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 16, 2011, 9:22 p.m. EST by DennisLeahy
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Yikes! What if someone posts a really great idea? In 30 seconds, it will be lost in the other 50,000 posts that have scrolled off the page.
No one can be at more than one occupy site (at a time), and nothing seems to be in the works for connecting the various sites together.
You know, someone IS going to make a very very important suggestion for the movement...how will we ever know?
Anyone reading these posts who does not already know his own mind and position (beware) there are lots and lots and lots and lots of opinions here. and yes opinions are like assholes, everybody has one. Anyone writing these posts, be careful with the truth.
Anyone wishing to skin a cat, remember there are many ways to do so.
Anyone reading these posts who does not already know his own mind and position (beware) there are lots and lots and lots and lots of opinions here. and yes opinions are like assholes, everybody has one. Anyone writing these posts, be careful with the truth.
Anyone wishing to skin a cat, remember there are many ways to do so.
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I have a couple of ideas that I think can be implemented on this website (the first leading into the second) to stimulate and organize the movement.
Idea #1: Twitter-style policy/program proposals are published and rated by the audience (at least thumbs up / thumbs down). Could look like http://www.quirky.com/participate, with additional information and comments about each idea available with a clickthrough.
Idea #2: Develop and organize policies/programs through a wiki. We'd want to propel nuanced schools of thought about each issue, so it wouldn't be like wikipedia where there's just one page for each topic - we'd allow discrete policy/program versions as requested by contributors/managers. Each policy/program would have a self-selected community around it, and there could be the current proposal, implementation plans, public comments / discussion board, proposed edits, etc. To help the cream rise to the top, we could evaluate with: (1) crowdsourced ratings, (2) standardized analysis like cost-benefit, (3) recommendations of review board. The website should be designed to be optimal for contributors (e.g., collaborative technology, rights management, etc.) and visitors (e.g., organized and subcategorized and ranked so that all the good stuff is easy to find).
These ideas could be important steps toward direct democracy and away from special interests and two-party politics.
What do you think?
I have been posting about the need for direct democracy and the need to stop voting for representatives. We have the means to do this now in a safe confidential way. We have to vote on laws rather than to give a blank check to a party for 4 years. We already have a good democratic system compared to many developping countries but we now need to go further and implement direct democracy asap. That could also give a real voice to the OWS participants, I fear the protest will get out of hand with looters or even the infiltration of the movement by the establishement creating chaos. This OWS movement is a good thing but it has no coordination. I have been looking forward to a similar event for a long time and it would be sad to see the peoples' shouts for a better governance fail.
After spending some time in the OWS forum I have come to the conclusion that there are more trolls than OWS folks posting. Any way to solve this problem? It's great that the movement is having such an effect on people, but it's hard to discuss anything with intransigent people who seem to be here solely to fight for the 1% (even though they're not in the 1% and don't realize this.)
Lol! Exactly my new slogan is "We are the 99.83%" kinda catchy don't you think? I get this picture in my head of these people at home with their calculators. " Heeeyy, wait a minute...hey honey! I think we are the ones being protested! Let's go defend ourselves and troll their site"
Most of those posts are now coming from trolls. It may be time to close this forum. If I had a better idea about how to communicate without all this interference I'd offer it, sorry.
I agree, this forum is useless like this.
I wouldn't mind that OWS so vehemently opposes support of any particular person, party or proposal if there was at least a functional forum for individuals to propose ideas and try to rally support for them. I've been trying to tell my naysayer skeptical friends that this movement is a platform to give rise to more specific initiatives that will each gain different levels of support. But that can't happen in this forum, way too much bullshit.
Oh well, I'm patient. Something better will emerge I hope. Or I guess I could spend more time down at Zuccotti Park.
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Categories would be nice.
Try http://www.TheMultitude.org , built to fix this problem.
Electronic Direct Democracy
they'll repeat it
and post it somewhere else
Spontaneous movements function best by word of mouth, for many more people will come to your side when you are proactive (for “new” Business & Government solutions), instead of reactive (against “old” Business & Government solutions), which is why what we most immediately need is a comprehensive “new” strategy that implements all our various socioeconomic demands at the same time, regardless of party, and although I'm all in favor of taking down today's ineffective and inefficient Top 10% Management System of Business & Government, there's only one way to do it – by fighting bankers as bankers ourselves; that is, using a Focused Direct Democracy organized according to our current Occupations & Generations. Consequently, I have posted a 1-page Summary of the Strategically Weighted Policies, Organizational Operating Structures, and Tactical Investment Procedures necessary to do this at:
http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/on_strategic_legal_policy_organizational_operational_structures_tactical_investment_procedures
Join
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/
because we need 100,000 “support clicks” at AmericansElect.org to support a Presidential Candidate -- such as any given political opportunist you'd like to draft -- in support of the above bank-focused platform.
Most importantly, remember, as cited in the first link, that as Bank Owner-Voters in your 1 of 48 "new" Business Investment Groups (or "new" Congressional Committees) you become the "new" Congress replacing the "old" Congress according to your current Occupation & Generation, called a Focused Direct Democracy.
Therefore, any Candidate (or Leader) therein, regardless of party, is a straw man, a puppet, just like today, for it's the STRATEGY – the sequence of steps – that the people organize themselves under, in Military Internet Formation of their Individual Purchasing & Group Investment Power, that's important. In this, sequence is key.
Why? Because there are Natural Social Laws – in mathematical sequence – that are just like Natural Physical Laws, such as the Law of Gravity. You must follow those Natural Social Laws or the result will be Injustice, War, etc.
The FIRST step in Natural Social Law is to CONTROL the Banks as Bank Owner-Voters. If you do not, you will inevitably be UNJUSTLY EXPLOITED by the Top 10% Management Group of Business & Government who have a Legitimate Profit Motive, just like you, to do so.
Consequently, you have no choice but to become Candidates (or Leaders) yourselves as Bank Owner-Voters according to your current Occupation & Generation.
So please JOIN the 2nd link so we can make our support clicks at AmericansElect.org when called for, at exactly the right time, by an e-mail from that group, in support of the above the bank-focused platform. If so, then you will see and feel how your goals can be accomplished within the above strategy as a “new” Candidate (or Leader) of your current Occupation & Generation.