Forum Post: We are 100 percent behind our brothers and sisters in Egypt!
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 22, 2011, 7:03 p.m. EST by frankchurch1
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Don't let the army deter you, fight on my comrades. We are with you. We want you to have the kind of democracy that our global empire tried to deny you. Don't listen to the elite noise, the people of America love you.
I felt bad about getting beaten with batons.
You guys are taking live rounds and dying in the streets. You are true revolutionaries; your courage is an inspiration to us all.
Never give up until justice is done.
Solidarity brothers and sisters.
Is that the Blairing out Eric Blair?
That is the pseudonym Eric Blair---- real name of the author who wrote under the pseudonym George Orwell.
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"Choicesmatter" 's remarks reek of ISLAMOPHOBIA - a sickness of the soul just as tragic as antisemitism.
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Oh I'm sure the neonazis think they are "realistic" in their hateful and demented perception of the Jews....
Just for informing the concern trolls: the attacks against christians came from the military government. Now go fuck yourselves. Good luck to the Egyptian comrades and fight on.
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No you arent. They are protesting their government.
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Im not. I don't support an Islamist state that will destabilize the region even further. My Egyptian friends living in America aren't to thrilled about it either.
Nor does my roomate who was in Tahrir during the height of the uprising.
It's a good thing that the Islamic brotherhood only has the support of a small fraction of the population, huh?
Maybe you shouldn't listen to propaganda intended to smear people resisting a murderous military dictatorship? Just a thought...
I know all about the MB. They are more entrenched than you think. They have operated for decades in an unaffiliated status and are doing that now, to pander to the moderates like my friends, and probably yours, while working behind the scenes to set up an Islamist state. My friends happen to be Christian Egyptians. They are very concerned for their families right now. I don't listen to propaganda news btw. I read papers from all over the world, everyday, from opposing sides.
There are groups of Christian extremists in the United States (such as the dominionists) who are even more entrenched than the Islamic Brotherhood are in Egypt. They even have the support of prominent presidential candidates.
They have about the same likelihood of taking over America as the Islamic brotherhood has of taking over Egypt----Zero.
The Islamic Brotherhood's dreams of Theocracy serve only to add fuel to pro-Mubarak propaganda.
And if you take these claims seriously than you most definitely ARE listening to propaganda.
Considering my friends have had family members dragged from their homes and beaten for being Christians in the last 30 days i will beg to differ. There are 100 parties in Egypt and most are secular which is good. But the Islamists are well financed and intent on breaking the back of the military. The military, for all its faults, is the only thing holding back the Islamists. That is not from any propaganda but from people living in Egypt. With so many parties it doesn't have to be a full majority for them to grab power. They just have to have the biggest majority of the other parties and they can achieve that.
They aren't the biggest majority, they don't have even an entire percentage point.
The quickest way to restore civil society and end the violence against Coptic Christians and other factions as well as the general chaos going on is to:
1)End the military Junta
2) Hold free and fair elections.
The hysteria you are repeating is part of what is keeping the situation like it is (with military crackdowns and violence against all factions).
A little education for you. MB is predicted to win big in the election.
http://news.yahoo.com/egypt-unrest-stirs-fears-inside-israel-144324115.html
the MB people were the second largest party in the parliament during Mubaraks term, they just were not running under the MB party name. The reason they don't show the highest percent is they are hiding in plain site. They have been doing that for decades. And its not hysteria the country is in chaos. You clearly know that. Chaos is a dangerous situation. ive been to Egypt three times and every time i felt safe and enjoyed it, but there were parts i was not allowed, or told not to go too for a reason. I wouldn't go there now. I don't see how that is a positive thing at all. And not to defend Mubarak's regime, but their morality is not the same as ours. There is not one middle eastern regime that is not corrupt to the core. Actually there aren't many governments anywhere in the world that aren't corrupt in some sense. All i know is that Egypt used to be a much safer place, and the people were doing a lot better under Mubarak and Sadat and Nasser than they are doing right now, or in the coming future. You say that the MB doesn't have power but yet they were the ones that primarily mandated that Elbaradei be the opposition leader. He is a corrupt individual as well. Nothing is what it seems.
The 13 colonies were significantly less safe/prosperous during and immediately after the Revolutionary war compared to during British rule.
This is the nature of revolutions and conflicts against injustice.
It doesn't mean that they don't need to be fought. No one ever said that the struggle would be easy. The civil rights movement had to deal with all kinds of brutality and violence (which made life worse for many people)--- should Dr. King have just called it quits?
The civil rights movement was nothing like what is going on in Egypt, and nothing like what will happen in America if our economy or government collapses. Not even close. What was different about the American revolution? everyone was able to feed themselves. They could hunt, raise crops, or steal food from farmers. We can't do that now. We have major cities with no close access to food sufficient to support everyone. Times are much different.
Which makes it even more important to stop the criminal banksters who rule our country from running us off a cliff.
Projecting our values and aspirations on them is gravely misplaced.
I agree. Americans sense of morality on the rest of the world is not well received either. Go to most countries and you will find that the general view of Americans is not good, and it all stems from our sense that we are somehow superior to other cultures. That is definitely not the case.
Sure, nothing superior about a place where women have rights compared to one where they're property. Yep, nothing superior about a culture with freedom of speech vs one where you can be killed for a cartoon. Agreed. Why, I can hardly tell the difference. LOL.
I understand that there's a lot of anti-Americanism. But the reasons for it are just a touch more complicated that you, with your anti-Americanism could understand.
I love America. And i find some things in other cultures absolutely appalling. HOWEVER, considering i have been to many different countries, the last thing i ever do, is TELL THEM how to live their lives, or what i think is wrong about how they live. I am not a citizen of their country. We are not in a position to tell anyone else how to be moral, when we can't even achieve any sense of morality in America. Don't even try to peg me as unAmerican by stating a fact about how some Americans look down on foreigners.
What??!!! Our culture might be better than someone else's? That's liberal heresy. But see, you get back on track pretty quick. Sure, we can't achieve any sense of morality in our country. Sure, none.
But of course that's just loon talk. We've achieved tremendous things values-wise in our society. We may not want to tell other countries how to live, but that doesn't commit us to being so stupid as to not know the difference.
I didn't say suspend your evaluation. You can even talk about it with other people. We are just not in a position to preach to other countries about what is moral or not. Nor should we be supporting or denying some movement we don't know all the facts about. And i can assure you that you and most American have no idea what Egypt is all about. Understand the difference?
Your sarcasm is not really necessary. You seem to be taking the tone that you know better. Somehow i doubt that. I have been to 28 different countries over the years, and dealt with all kinds of people from the poorest to the leaders of the countries. The best practice is to observe everything, change a little, and accept a lot.
Those are good skills for coping with things, but are not arguments for suspending evaluation.
I'm not a liberal and im an athiest. What is morality? How about this. It is immoral to take any action that harms another person. And you talk about how America has achieved tremendous things values wise. I would agree that the improvement of civil rights and women's rights were terrific achievements. I would say that the degradation of the family, the increase of single parent children, increases in abortion rates (i am not against abortion), the increase in drug and alcohol abuses, the increase in mental health and obesity, are not gains in values. Morality tends to be perspective which is why we should not judge other cultures.
Yeah, we just can't tell what's better. Why I just don't know what I'd do if I ever had to make a cultural values judgment between the West and Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. It's all so confusing, I mean who's to say what's right and wrong? I have no idea. Morality is perspective. But bad thinking it's good doesn't somehow twist it into being good. Saudi Arabia has all sorts of perspective about how great they are. Gosh, maybe they are.
Egyptian friends my ass.
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Where are your values?
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It's a country that has been ruled by a brutal puppet tyrant (who has been given billions of dollar in military support from the US) and a country that is engaging in a struggle for liberty and democracy and against imperial rule.
The idea that the Islamic brotherhood is going to take over is propaganda supported by the military rulers. The Islamic brotherhood is opposed by the overwhelming majority of the population, and will not control the new government. And that is if they even manage to get any seats at all.
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If by "us" you meant the US government/empire, then yes they do hate "us." And for good reason. The US government has been giving weapons and money to the Tyrant who ruled their country for 30 years. The US government has paid for the tanks. Each bullet into the head of a peaceful protester is bought and paid for by our tax money. The tear gas canisters read "made in USA"
As for the American people, they have shown us nothing but love and support. They march in solidarity with us, and protest against the police brutality used against us. My good friend and roomate is an Egyptian who demonstrated in Tahrir square, he and his friends love American culture and people, and they give respect to our own struggle against tyranny.
Please research the racist garbage you hear from Glenn Beck or whoever before you parrot it.
I mean us as in our government, us as in our culture, us as in our values, and us as in us. For good reason... blah blah blah. I don't really care. They hate us. Our ways of life are incompatible To somehow manufacture an artificial protest kinship between us and them is completely misplaced. Those backward goons would just exchange one form of tyranny for the next. They aren't anything like us.
Your racist/nationalist assertions don't become any less absurd with repetition.
You cannot support the things that you are saying.
They hate us, so fuck them. All we can hope for is that that shit-hole culture can be contained. Racist? No, I just think women are worth more than goats.
You cannot support anything that you are saying.
The fact that you believe all countries inhabited by large populations of Muslims are automatically Saudi Arabia (were women are like livestock) further illustrates your bigotry/ignorance.
It's particularly ironic considering that the people you are attacking are the greatest force for secularism and democratic values in the entire region.
Hint: They don't hate us for our freedoms.
They hate the US government, because the US government constantly attacks/slaughters them or funds those who do so on its behalf.
Yeah, that's fantastic. Degrees of backwardness exist among muslims cultures, I get that. I realize that Saudi Arabia is among the most appalling. All we can hope is that whatever goes on in Egypt, stays in Egypt. And under those circumstances, I couldn't care less what they do to each other. They hate us.
Fortunately, you are wrong. The Arab Spring is spreading, even to our shores now. Democracy is winning.
That's hilarious. Arab Spring? We've attached all sorts of Western projections to what's going on in places like Egypt. If you insist on calling it the Arab Spring, you should at least attach a year to it... I suggest 1200.
Gosh, just think democracy is spreading from Egypt to maybe, just maybe, America. Yeah, one day we'll have democracy. You are a moonbat.
I do think we'll have democracy in America one day.
You might call it the naive optimism of a moonbat, but we won't stop until we have democracy.
That's just idiotic. But you did get some of the moonbat part right.
Some people are pessimistic about the prospects that America will see democracy someday.
Even if we never achieve democracy, it's something worth fighting for.
Yeah, some day. Gosh, maybe the Egyptians will show us the way out of oppression. Say, just curious, but are you high right now or is that still just for later?