Forum Post: Vermont Banned Fracking
Posted 12 years ago on May 23, 2012, 12:21 p.m. EST by Nevada1
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Thanks for the update Nevada1. Great News! Ü
Your welcome Renney. Please see the Fracking an Elementary School post.
Right on!
In synopsis, consider the extraction of shale oil and gas, widely considered the most crucial aspect of Big Oil’s current push back into the North American market. Shale formations in Canada and the U.S. are believed to house massive quantities of oil and natural gas, and their accelerated extraction is already helping reduce the region’s reliance on imported petroleum.
Both energy sources, however, can only be extracted through a process known as hydraulic fracturing (“hydro-fracking,” or just plain “fracking”) that uses powerful jets of water in massive quantities to shatter underground shale formations, creating fissures through which the hydrocarbons can escape. In addition, to widen these fissures and ease the escape of the oil and gas they hold, the fracking water has to be mixed with a variety of often poisonous solvents and acids. This technique produces massive quantities of toxic wastewater, which can neither be returned to the environment without endangering drinking water supplies nor easily stored and decontaminated.
radix omnium malorum est cupiditas ...
That was interesting. I didn't know exactly how the fracking process was done.
Thank you shadz for post.
Thank you GirlFriday.
Now we just need fracking states to stop shipments of natural gas to Vermont. Surely, the wingnuts in Vermont would be supportive. LOL
Whatever, fracking will be outlawed every where because it poisons the water supply. Support OWs vote out anti alt energy politicians
More leap of ignorance. Sit in the cold.
Choke on pollution! Selfish bastard! Support OWS vote out anti cap n trade politicians
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Halleluyah!
Everyone should know.
good job
Thank you Matt.
Good job Vermont!
this is a +1
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Awesome news
Hi Xenu, Cuomo of NY close to making decision. Fracking trolls are out today, and we are pushing back. Best Regards
New York State has had one of the largest protected water supplies in the East for a long time, and the people of NYC benefit from that. To risk that would be foolish.
Thank you for your post Odin. Clean water is the most valuable resource. Fracking is a crime against all living things.
You're welcome. I agree, fracking is a crime. It's a crime what is going on in the oil sands of Alberta too. A lot of people say that NYC pizza is the best because of the water which comes from up-state through a very elaborate, but old system, which is being renewed now.
bagels as well!
Yes, you're right. The Onion did a hilarious article on all the not so good things that New Yorkers put up with for the sake of bigger, better bagels. It was really funny. The basic rule of thumb is, the further you get from NYC, the worse the bagels, and pizza get. ;-)
That is a great misfortune the rest of planet must contend with. but they have other good things that we would like. So I think it balances out.................NOT! ;)
lol Yes i have learned to love NYC, perhaps never more so since meeting and working with so many determined and courageous bright young people in the OWS affinity group Occupy Town Square. I have many personal ties with NY that go back to the early 1800s. It is where my mom met my Swedish born dad, where a top notch surgeon saved one of my my daughter's life, it was my home port in my thirty plus years as a MM, where one of my daughters graduated Fordham, magna cum laude, etc. I love NYC, and if I had the money, I definitely would have a place there.
Nyc is grossly overpriced. and that is one of its greatest negatives. It keeps good people out. We do have some good people but as you know there are a great deal of 1%rs here. And yet we vote more progressive. Go figure.
Yes, mid-town especially is overpriced. I suspect that is due to the high rents. Once you get away from there, it is not so bad though as far as prices go, especially in the outer boroughs. My mom grew up in Queens, but my favorite borough is Brooklyn. Some of the old-timers there are still pissed that the Dodgers left. :-)
I'm brooklyn bred, Born & raised. Family has fled to suburbs but I remain. Stubborn I guess. I prefer Bklyn most, which is where I am. But I'm close to the city, and I'm in it it often. Much of us are still disgusted with Dodger owner, but more recently have transferred that anger to Robert Moses who wouldn't let them have a stadium in bklyn.
Didn't Moses collaborate with Mayor Wagner to deny the Dodgers a stadium on the East River, saying that, that parcel of land was too valuable. It layed dormant for decades later, I believe. My favorite area is Green Point/Bedford Ave., although I got to know Bay Ridge quite well. OTS had a picnic meeting in the park that Olmsted designed after Central Park. It is a beautiful park, and big too. I can't remember the name of it, but that is a beautiful park. OTS also had a pop-up event which I missed at Fort Greene. all of my family is out of NYC now too, mostly in LI, and CA. Gotta go now. See ya.
It is an amazing phenomenon. a bit disturbing. To each his own. I believe in doing for yourself. It has roots in the subjugation of women but I don't want to be too critical. Good talkin to you.
My moms name was Lucy/lucille. We did enjoy the annual Italian Giglio feast in williamsburg (still going on). In NY there used to be a big Scandinavian community in the bay ridge area I believe a queen even visited in the 60's. Not many left. In fact I think the Italians displaced them.
Yes, I knew of ths Scandinavian community in Bay Ridge. Like you said, there aren't many left their now. Didn't know about the queen visiting. It think around fifth ave. in the 50s, there is still a pocket of them. Never heard of the Giglio festival...sounds cool tho. I live in a big Italian area at the Shore. Many good Italian friends growing up. Italians are very family orientated which is really neat. Don't agree with Mamiosy (?)boys though, where mom's wait on their sons, who can do no wrong. lol
No but as you probably know, lotsa polish in greenpoint (still), Lotsa Jewish in WillyB ( still) Not many irish in either but still some italian in both (used to be lots). And also still lots of Puerto Rican in both. (starting to decrease with hipster (midwest/suburban/euro) influx. I am Italian/PR. Very West Side Story. Lots of family angst and stress back in the 50's when my parents got together.
I know those Polish deli's are packed on Saturdays. I expect that is because many of them who moved out come back for those Polish delicacies, while visiting family in GP. The Italians brought Christianity to Scandinavia. It is only recently that we have forgiven you guys. We were having a good time before that. lol There is a really nice holiday which is celebrated mostly in Sweden, and parts of Italy. It is called Santa Lucia Day.
I believe the location was atlantic ave/flatbush ave, that spot over lirr yards laid vacant for 60 years until we recently built an arena on the spot. We'll see how that goes (opens sept). Greenpoint! my fam fr williamsburg/greenpoint area (pre hipsterisation) Cool. see ya hv a gd day.
Your of Polish, Irish, or Jewish ancestry then.
what's fracking?
TFAOM : Pls see abv. pax et lux ...
Vermont is a very liberal state. our only socialist senator comes from there. other states have better sense.
"Other states have better sense." Considering how hard Sanders works for the people, and the fact that Vermont will have cleaner water...your statement is very debatable.
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define 'working for the people' please. Does he do their gardens? he spent 16 years in congress before going to the senate. he's a professional politician, working for himself.
Yes I know Sanders quite well. He was my Congressman in the twenty plus years that I lived in Vermont. Everyone knew that he was a people person. By that I mean, he put the interests of people before big monied special interests. People in VT loved him, and for good reason.
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well the Unions love him and he voted against the patriot act so he must be wonderful right?
Right!
Nothing makes better sense than protecting the population! Support OWS. vote out anti alt energy politicians!
why don't you turn off your electrical power and send us smoke signals ; that is if you only want to support alternate energy?
Do you know what the "smoke signals" would be for 'try looking at the big picture,' here?
Please support a clean environment. maybe you have no kids. Some of us do and we want to improve the world. Support the 99%. Vote out pro fossil fuel subsidy politicians
i've got kids, and i support fossil fuels (not sure what fossel fuel is). There are no fossil fuel subsidies by the way for oil (fossil fuel) companies. They get tax deductions like all companies do for equipment purchases , not subsidies. There is no government money going from the US Treasury to the oil companies ( a subsidy).
I worked in the marine petroleum transportation business for over thirty years, and I know the high cost of our reliance on fossil fuels, in terms of the degradation to our planet. We simply must look for alternatives for the sake of our children, and grandchildren. That should not be difficult to understand.
the idealistic, naive, idea is easy to understand, the economic and political reality isn't. We don't have a substitute for fossil fuel, now, we just don't. so let's explore and develop our (the U.S.) own fossil fuel resources and work with our allies (like Canada and Mexico) to develop theirs. In parallel we can develop alternatives such as nuclear.
The reason that the developement, and implementation of alternative energy has not advanced is because of the corrupt money that comes into politician's campaigns to impede that advancement. All this while other countries in the world are leading the way in alternative energy. In Sweden, you cannot build a new house without a geothermal unit. Even in China with all it's dirty water and air, they are targeting alt. energy, and expect to lead the world in it's developement. To put simply, we are in danger of becoming a third rate country compliments of the polluted money in politics.
Hear Hear - Well said. Down with white collar corrupt and greedy criminals.
Change is coming.
Change "IS" Happening.
Move forward blind marchers and stop digging in your heels try to deny healthy progress.
thanks
Thank you for standing up for truth and doing it in a positive manner.
oh so now you have excuses (corrupt money..). Obama poured money in alternative energy and so far nothing. What do you want? you can't have geo thermal homes in Illinois where i live or in Manhattan for that matter. We will not become a third rate country if we develop our fossil fuel industry or nuclear industry. there is no magic bullet, we need energy that can be produced at a industrial level and green energy right now cannot provide that.
Corrupt money from the fossil fuel industry is no excuse, It's fact. By the way have you taken a swim in the Chicago River lately? Don't expect me to defend Obama. You seem to expect quick results, which will not happen. It takes a concerted effort over years to provide the fruits that we will all benefit from. China's vision, and its willingness to follow it is long range. Ours is not. It is kind of like raising kids, as both require persistence to reach a goal. You're a dad like me, right? I urge you to look at the future through their eyes. It is something that I have learned to do.
By the way, why wouldn't you be able to have geo thermal homes in Illinois, if they have them in Sweden? If you are in the 'burbs or country, you would be able to. I do not know how or if that could work in a city though.
the Chicago river is cleaner than its ever been, take that however you want to. You want China's vision? a communist authoritarian country's vision? China is the most polluted country in the world and w/o any good resources of its own. The China way sucks. If you want to look for good 'green' energy look at the Israeli's.
OK, I have had enough of you. I have written thoughtful nonincendiary comments , and you have replied with bull shit that has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Bye.
adios Odin. there is a theory that when bad language is used, it means that one is losing an argument.
got it, but insuting stupid comments suggesting that i want china's form of repressive governemnt are ok?
you did seem to love China's vision. and with that vision comes all of the commie authoritarian government behind it.
So far Nothing? Nothing?
How about a current glut of Oil LNG and Gasoline?
We are exporting the fossil fuel poison - instead of trying to keep enough at home for domestic use.
Yeah Big Fail for the Green Technology that we have so far implemented.
Why don't you move to Egypt - Then you could live in denial on the Nial.
any increase in 'green' energy is probably from hydro electric sources. and i don't think you radicals like hydro electric. As far your glut of oil, it has to do with increased drilling, a slow economy, and more fuel efficient internal combustion engines. What green energy have you used today besides using your farts to keep you warm?
OH - NOT SO - Status-quo.
There are plenty of viable alternatives to fossil fuel:
Green Tech.
This is where we should be going: Green Energy we have the technology we just need to use it. This is what I am talking about. A clean future to be implemented NOW!
http://www.hopewellproject.org/
http://ecat.com/
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/ff_new_nukes/all/1
FuelCell Energy http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/news/progress_alerts.cfm/pa_id=600
i want to drive to Chicago from 30 miles away, how to i do it on your imaginary green energy? I want to turn on my TV using electricity in the Illinois winter, how do i do that right now w/ green energy. Green energy is just not there yet. There may be green alternatives in the future but right now it is expensive and accounts for a very small percentage of the power output.
Don't deride what is not - that is a stupid argument.
The idea is to change over as we go along - and you damn well know it.
In the mean time even a crappy leaf will get you one way on electric and the return trip on gas.
In time that hybrid could well be a hydrogen fuel cell.
You did not even look at the links did you.
Green Tech.
This is where we should be going: Green Energy we have the technology we just need to use it. This is what I am talking about. A clean future to be implemented NOW!
http://www.hopewellproject.org/
http://ecat.com/
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/ff_new_nukes/all/1
FuelCell Energy http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/news/progress_alerts.cfm/pa_id=600
can you afford a nissan leaf or a chevy volt? i can't . small percentage of sales as they are too expensive to buy and own (i.e. the battery replacement)
OMG - you are a determined idiot. AS Technology is implemented it becomes cheaper SFB. Look over the information in the links and despair for your corrupt greedy criminal masters.
Change is coming.
change is coming, but it is not what you envision. i guess that the world needs some dreamers like you, while the rest of us keep the world actually working.
You would work this world unto Death. Stand aside blind marcher - Change "IS" Happening.
Stop digging in your heels trying to deny reality - move forward to a HEALTHY and PROSPEROUS World - FOR ALL.
If you the power today to run the U.S.A. what would you do?
Cut those tax deductions for oil corps! They have colluded with each other, OPEC, and commodities traders to raise prices and gouge the american people. Stand with the american people Support OWS vote out anti alt energy politicians
you repeat yourself. Is that one of the Saul Alinsky rules for radicals?
Political labels are irrelevant. Support a clean environment. Stand up against polluters. Support OWS. Vote out anti EPA politicians
the EPA is an overreaching bureaucratic authoritarian department, hard to believe that OWS would support it.
They protect the people from profit driven polluters of our land, air, and water. Without the EPA as the eyes of the people we would be at the mercy of corps who have no regard for the people, and instead think only about their own profit. Stand with OWS against the polluters. Vote out pro frackin politicians.
you are an anarchist right? If so, why do you care?
Political labels are irrelevant!!!. I care because I want my environment to be clean and safe for my children and future generations of all people. C'mon, get with it! Save the environment. Cheap electricity is not a valid reason to live in filth and destruction. Support OWS. Vote out anti cap n trade politicians
everybody wants a clean environment but Cap and trade is rubbish. There is no global warming and carbon dioxide is not a pollutant.
So car exhaust (burning gasoline (fossil fuel!)) is pollution? And would you breath carbon dioxide in a non ventilated space?
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did you mean to say 'isn't a pollutant?' ? you exhale carbon dioxide should i turn your engine off?
but you would agree that people have committed suicide by diverting car exhaust in an enclosed car right? Certainly if you don't believe it is pollution you will never agree to change. We have to agree to disagree. Pollution exists and it is bad. Everyone has a responsibility to end it! Support OWS. Vote out pollution denying politicians
cap and trade is about carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide is what will kill you in a non ventilated space i.e. from car exhaust
I'm not angry. But my purpose is to create change to improve the lives of the 99%.
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Strange and lost"? LMFAO. You ain't sorry for me! But you are sorry. Go suck that tailpipe. you republican mouthpiece. You got no juice here. Here we are against destroying the environment.
strange because you are not normal and lost because you are angry without purpose.
Give up chile boy? HA!
i'm sorry that you are so strange and lost, good luck in your endeavors.
I know carbon dioxide is pollution. And I know we must do everything we can to stop the corp criminals you support from continuing to destroy our environment. Support OWS Vote out anti cap n trade politicians
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use your brain instead that silly propaganda you keep repeating
Then we must agree to disagree. I believe pollution exists. Smokestacks billowing black smoke is my evidence. and I believe we must as a people work to minimize that pollution by keeping a close watch on the corp criminals who care only for their profit and not for the well being of the planet and the people. Good luck to you. You haven't convinced me pollution doesn't exist and you won't convince many others.
so you agree that carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. that's good just wanted to clear that up as you changed the subject from that to does pollution exist.
No I meant what I posted. Do you acknowledge that car exhaust (burning gasoline (fossil fuel!)) IS pollution?................... And If you breath Carbon dioxide instead of oxygen you die!........ So....Would you breath carbon dioxide in a non ventilated space? and wouldn't that make it poison/ pollution? Answer please!
if i breath water in a non ventilated space i would die, doesn't make water a pollutant. no carbon dioxide is not a pollutant.
How would we replace the extremely high paying, full benefit jobs that the oil industry woud lose if fracking were banned? Fracking jobs are really highly paid. As high as $90/hour for high school education.
We must find a way.! That is not a good enough excuse for living in filth and destruction. If we suffocate with a big paycheck in our hands we're still dead. c'mon! make sense! support OWS! vote out anti alt energy politicians
Lets role play this. I am 34 years old with a wife and 2 kids, making $65000 a year as an oil field worker inOklahoma, full medical and dental and eye and ife insurance and disability for my wife and kids, building a life with a future and some degree of comfort and people in NYC decide my job must be sacrificed on the altar of POSSIBLE complications of fracking.
What do i now do?
NO! These games are useless! We all breath the same air, drink the same water, eat the same agriculture! Stand with the 99% against those who would destroy the precious natural resources we need to survive in the name of short term financial gain. support OWS. Vote out anti cap n trade politicians.
It is called R&D and implementation. It is called progressive and aggressive change over to new technology. It is called birthing new industries.
This is not an overnight transformation but a progressive change over.
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You cant have it both ways. If green jobs paid as much as oil field jobs and if there were green jobs needing to be filled, you would be OK. But that isnt true. People make the exact same argument about college education, tht students planned their lives around a college education leading to a decent way of life and now its not true and its not fair
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Get a job in green energy. Give your family a healthy life.
Green Tech.
This is where we should be going: Green Energy we have the technology we just need to use it. This is what I am talking about. A clean future to be implemented NOW!
http://www.hopewellproject.org/
http://ecat.com/
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/ff_new_nukes/all/1
FuelCell Energy http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/news/progress_alerts.cfm/pa_id=600
You cant have it both ways. If green jobs paid as much as oil field jobs and if there were green jobs needing to be filled, you would be OK. But that isnt true. People make the exact same argument about college education, tht students planned their lives around a college education leading to a decent way of life and now its not true and its not fair
So which is it?
Understandable that you chile73 a supporter of the Status-quo would be against doing away with fossil fuel dependence.
i'm not a defender of the status quo, you are. the status quo is to subsidize alternate energy companies with tax money and have them go bankrupt. taking advantage of the U.S. resources in natural gas for example is forward thinking.
Boy are you out of touch with reality.
No the current push against the status-quo is to end fossil fuel subsidies and UN-needed destruction of the environment by the increased use of alternative green technology.
For a clean healthy and prosperous world.
you are out of touch boy. what viable green energy exist now? right now.
FUCK HEAD - look at the links - SFB.
Deny reality-I do not care you have made your self an obvious tool of the status-quo and all anyone need do to verify that fact is to open the links I provided to you to examine and which you have so far refused to do.
Our conversation is over fool.
You resort to bad language and links but are unable to support your own positions and then you just run away and cry with your fellow losers. Tell me, what green energy can i use now, right now. you can't because there isn't any viable inexpensive green energy right now.