Forum Post: U.S. Preparing to attack Syria directly
Posted 11 years ago on Aug. 25, 2013, 1:02 p.m. EST by Shule
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CBS/AP/ August 23, 2013, 10:49 PM Hagel: Obama asks for Syria military options (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57599967/hagel-obama-asks-for-syria-military-options/)
Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel at a news conference at the Pentagon, Wednesday, July 31, 2013: The Pentagon is moving naval forces closer to Syria in preparation for a possible decision by President Barack Obama to order military strikes, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel suggested on Friday.....
Looks like the 1%, and the government they own, are going to go into Syria since their proxy forces can't seem to get the dirty deed done on their own. Morals aside, so that is where all our money is going, and why our economy is in shambles.
If you want to save America, stop the wars overseas.
US/TPTB will save Syria, by littering the country with Uranium Slugs and Drone Attacks on Innocent People.----------------------Just thinking about all the Agent Orange that US sprayed on Vietnam.
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http://occupywallst.org/forum/us-preparing-to-attack-syria-directly/#comment-998528
a) ''Is the Drive for War on Syria to Cover Up a War Crime ?'', by William Bowles :
''According to the source, Russia’s ambassador in the UN Security Council, Vitaly Churkin, presented conclusive evidence – based on documents and Russian satellite images – of two rockets carrying toxic chemicals, fired from Douma, controlled by the Syrian “rebels”, and landing on East Ghouta. Hundreds of “rebels”, as well as civilians – including those children on the cover of Western corporate media papers – were killed.''
b) ''Western Logic on Syria: ‘We Need To Bomb It To Save It’'', by Nile Bowie :
''The United States, Britain, and France are unwavering in their assertions that the Assad government and the Syrian Arab army were the perpetrators of the chemical weapon attack, despite no evidence to substantiate these claims. These governments seem to be sure that Damascus is guilty on the basis of it preventing a UN investigation team from visiting the site, and when investigators eventually did reach the area, it didn’t matter to them because they argued that the Syrian government had destroyed all evidence of wrongdoing. Assad’s opponents have constructed a deeply cynical and hysterical political narrative that Western leaders are now parroting in unison.''
c) ''Syria - Another Western War Crime In The Making'', by Paul Craig Roberts :
''What is the West’s real agenda ? This is the unasked and unanswered question. Clearly, the US, UK, and French governments, which have displayed continuously their support for dictatorial regimes that serve their purposes, are not the least disturbed by dictatorships. They brand Assad a dictator as a means of demonizing him for the ill-informed Western masses. But Washington, UK, and France support any number of dictatorial regimes, such as the ones in Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, and now the military dictatorship in Egypt that is ruthlessly killing Egyptians without any Western government speaking of invading Egypt for “killing its own people.” ... Further, please consider :
d) From 'WashingtonsBlog' : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35992.htm , from which :
e) Finally fyi : http://www.warresisters.org/sites/default/files/FY2014piechart-englishbw.pdf .
fiat lux et fiat pax ...
As always, Thank you shadz for valuable info. All so shameful.
''What the Assault on Whistleblowers Has to Do With War on Syria'', by Norman Soloman :
Without whistleblowers, the mainline media outlets are more transfixed than ever with telling the official story. And at a time like this, the official story is all about spinning for war on Syria.
Every president who wants to launch another war can’t abide whistleblowers. They might interfere with the careful omissions, distortions and outright lies of war propaganda, which requires that truth be held in a kind of preventative detention.
By mid-week, media adrenalin was at fever pitch as news reports cited high-level sources explaining when the U.S. missile attacks on Syria were likely to begin, how long they might last, what their goals would be. But what about other (potential) sources who have documents and other information that contradict the official story?
It’s never easy for whistleblowers to take the risk of exposing secret realities. At times like these, it’s especially difficult -- and especially vital -- for whistleblowers to take the chance.
When independent journalist I.F. Stone said “All governments lie and nothing they say should be believed,” he was warning against the automatic acceptance of any government claim. That warning becomes most crucial when a launch of war is imminent. That’s when, more than ever, we need whistleblowers who can leak information that refutes the official line.
There has been a pernicious method to the madness of the Obama administration’s double-barreled assault on whistleblowers and journalism. Committed to a state of ongoing war, Obama has overseen more prosecutions of whistleblowers than all other presidents combined -- while also subjecting journalists to ramped-up surveillance and threats, whether grabbing the call records of 20 telephone lines of The Associated Press or pushing to imprison New York Times reporter James Risen for not revealing a source.
The vengeful treatment of Bradley (now Chelsea) Manning, the all-out effort to grab Edward Snowden and less-publicized prosecutions such as the vendetta against NSA whistleblower Thomas Drake are all part of a government strategy that aims to shut down unauthorized pipelines of information to journalists -- and therefore to the public. When secret information is blocked, what’s left is the official story, pulling out all the stops for war.
From the false Tonkin Gulf narrative in 1964 that boosted the Vietnam War to the fabricated baby-incubators-in-Kuwait tale in 1990 that helped launch the Gulf War to the reports of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction early in this century, countless deaths and unfathomable suffering have resulted from the failure of potential whistleblowers to step forward in a timely and forthright way -- and the failure of journalists to challenge falsehoods in high government places.
There are no “good old days” to point to, no eras when an abundance of whistleblowers and gutsy reporters thoroughly alerted the public and subdued the power of Washington’s war-makers. But we’re now living in a notably -- and tragically -- fearful era. Potential whistleblowers have more reason to be frightened than ever, and mainline journalists rarely seem willing to challenge addiction to war.
Every time a president has decided to go to war against yet another country, the momentum has been unstoppable. Today, the craven foreshadow the dead. The key problems, as usual, revolve around undue deference to authority -- obedience in the interests of expediency -- resulting in a huge loss of lives and a tremendous waste of resources that should be going to sustain human life instead of destroying it.
With war at the top of Washington’s agenda, this is a time to make our voices heard. A loud and sustained outcry against the war momentum is essential -- and so is support for whistleblowers.
As a practical matter, real journalism can’t function without whistleblowers. Democracy can’t function without real journalism. And we can’t stop the warfare state without democracy. In the long run, the struggles for peace and democracy are one and the same.
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fiat lux et fiat pax ...
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My purpose was not so much to ''shame'' as to inform and rouse - as ever, Nev1.
Hope you and yours are well and solidarity mate ~{:-)
pax nunc ...
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Well, Syria was one of the seven countries that General Clark said were in that 'secret' Defense Dept memo, so it's pretty much a foregone conclusion. Good post Nev1. I think TropDep mentioned this, but important info deserves repetition, I think.
This is the interview with Amy Goodwin and General Wesley Clark, that you're referring to.
This should be going viral, right now. Considering current events.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSL3JqorkdU
Cool, thanks Fiona. I'll give it a look here in a few minutes. I've read about it on a few different sites over the last year or so, but never actually saw an interview.
USG came out today with the legalize marijuana thing ------Likely an attempt to divert attention.
LOL. We're about to bomb the crap out of someone so smoke em' if you got em'.
can't wait to shot of a load of tomahawks and slaughter all those people
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the chemical weapon line
which is bullshit since all weapons kill
as a set up for an excuse for abuse
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This war machine is so out of control, and the population is so numb to it, there is no turning back.
They wont stop until they are definitively defeated. The rest of the planet is watching us spend ourselves into oblivion. They only need to sit by and wait.
The war machine is absolutely out of control. The US seems addicted to war. We can’t go a full year without getting involved is other countries business. What’s happening in Syria is a tragedy to be sure. But US involvement won’t fix Syria’s problems, it’ll just make it worse. We are not the world police. How did we ever come to think we were?
My personal belief is US involvement in foreign wars is driven by the “military industrial complex". President Eisenhower warned us in 1960. We just didn’t listen.
US Involvement in foreign Middle East wars I believe is driven by evil psychos wanting to take over the world. (I'm sure you heard of the "big island" theory.) Unfortunately, the psychotic evil has taken over our government and is in complete control since we have ceased to be any sort of a democracy. In doing so, the psychotic evil has taken control of the worlds most powerful military, and is using it for their machinations of evil. Pretty much the stuff for a midnight nightmare horror flick.
Well said. Yes, like an old movie plot.
Frightful. http://www.vtjp.org/background/gazaweapons.php
I think there are a few psychos involved. But I think it's mostly just money driving the wars. The military needs continuous funding from congress and arms manufacturers and related corporations need to be fed. In the end, it's mostly money driving things.
I'm a combat veteran (artillery). I'm proud I served (drafted actually), but I'm not so naive to believe I was fighting for god and country.
Actually, believe it or not, wars actually hurt military funding. (I work for a military contractor by the way, and my spouse is retired air force.) What happens is money is pulled military acquisition contracts to fund front line operations, and bribing other nations to be our allies. Bases need to be closed shoreside, to open bases overseas. So, military jobs at home are actually lost. And needless to say the last thing a military person wants is to go to war although they will and proudly do so as you say. Most folks don't know what sacrifices are made by our people in the military. Its much more than only risking life and limb.
I would serve again if I were defending the nation. Well, I'm way to old, but it's the thought that counts I guess. But I can't support the US continuing to be the world police and getting involved in these wars that have nothing to do with our national security.
If it were up to me I'd close most foreign military bases and bring our troops home from Afghanistan tomorrow. I mean just leave the equipment on the ground and put our troops on the next plane out. Does anyone really believe we need to be in Afghanistan? or Syria?
I live near one of the largest military posts in the US. The civilian employees working on that post probably out number military personnel 3 to 1. The people who are profiting is Northup Gruamman and other large contractors. Any cutback in military would hurt a lot of civilians. But we can't treat war like a business. This is a case of if someone loses their job you just bite the bullet and move on.
Usually what happens when one cuts back a military enterprise, after a short lull something else usually takes its place. Often a local economy becomes stronger after a military base shuts down. I've seen it happen several times. A base recently shut down in the town I live in. Now its a park, a school, an old folks home, with a lot of real estate developers still fighting over other parts of it. I agree with you, I'd shut down most military bases overseas as well as here at home. There is a basic need for our military, but its become way over extended, and has come to significantly serve the machinations of psychopaths.
if we don't have jobs,
we can't pay loans and rent
killing is so serious that it must be an important job
Are you suggesting we need to invade Syria?
no
we need to reassess a system that continually demands money from us
we there us not enough work to be done to pay those demands
jobs like building weapons get support from our constant need for jobs
Nope, I can't approach like that. Losing jobs has nothing to do with it. If we lose jobs then so be it. Stop the wars even if it put people out of work. War shouldn't be a industry.
we should invest in public health
Good comment and made from head, heart and experience. Syria is all about the 'Long Game' for oil, countering China, Iran and Russia and hegemony by the maintenance of 'The Empire Of The Parasites' and I append and thoroughly recommend the following for some deeper insights into the bigger picture :
fiat lux, fiat justitia, fiat pax ...
It would appear that everyone understands how corrupt the system is at this point.
So are we ready for a regime change here in the US?
Hellllz no we aint :(
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FW: Where do you stand on Syria? Sender: Jim Dean, Democracy For America
The civil war in Syria has claimed over 100,000 lives. And last Wednesday, the situation got even worse: at least 350 people died and over 3,600 were hospitalized after a suspected chemical attack.
Increasingly, it looks like the US may be planning a military response.
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Based on the current situation, do you support U.S. military intervention in Syria?:
NO
Please take a moment to tell us why or explain your position.:
If we get involved at this point in time - it should be to air drop medical and food supplies to the civilians in the cities as well as send food and medical supplies to all of the refugee camps and every ( lawful ? ) country in the world should do the same.
The Middle East can be considered as largely lawless ( 10,000,000 Arabs.Muslims killed by each other in how many years? ). Considering this - arms are the last thing anyone should be sending into the region.
America and every ( lawful ? ) country in the world - should withhold on sending any armaments to anyone. Peace will not break out at the end of a gun. Now while every lawful country withholds pouring fuel onto the fire - they should also be pressuring for a cease in all hostilities ( helpful if they follow through on stopping arms shipments ).
Any military action really should be carried out by the UN not NOT the USA. This military action "should" for one thing - STOP the Shelling and Bombing of the cities/civilians - that would mean declaring the whole area a no fly zone and immediately enforcing it. US military take note - stop using drone war fare in civilized areas = villages towns cities. Take out ( destroy ) all of the machines of war that are being used on and in the cities.
Do you have any other thoughts on Syria you'd like to share? :
On Syria and the middle east and Africa - stop sending in arms. Sane approach to peace health and prosperity throughout the region is better achieved - NOT by sending MONEY or ARMS - BUT by sending equipment that will provide the area with clean/green energy = solar farms wind farms even Thorium Reactors and Liquid Metal Batteries ( for storage and distribution - things we should be doing here at home as well ). Also water purification equipment. REMOVE THE REASONS FOR - THE CAUSES OF - STRIFE. This also includes breaking the fossil fuel necessity ( we need to do this for the environment anyway ).
A lot cheaper approach then to perpetuate war - kinder to ALL life.
Thanks, I saw it.
I commented starting a war of aggression is sicko, demented, immoral, and should not be done in the name of the American People, or anybody for that matter.
I also mentioned the detriment that would be done to our economy since too many people out there can't seem to understand the moral argument.
The US government looks like a total tool of the oil and weapons industry
only suckers thinks there is difference between killing with chemical weapons and killing with bombs
or Drones
This is a legacy of fossil fuel dependence.
or US supplies to Egyptian military
supplies as in arms To any military
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXQdK1_bOsA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Looks like the opposition to intervention is greater then they expected. British Parliament vote against military action.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/us-preparing-to-attack-syria-directly/#comment-998528
Notice Obama has no plans to let our U.S. Congress vote on the matter. Congress even sent a letter to the Prez asking if they could vote (I don't understand why they have to ask??) So much for democracy. Jimmy Carter is right; democracy has been put on hold in the U.S.A..
Am watching Washington week on pbs and the panel seems to think Obama is gonna do something before leaving for Russia on Tues. So, no, there will be no congressional vote.
' just read Obama agreed to seek Congressional approval before going to war. Step in the right direction. I'm tickled that the Congressman who drafted the letter asking Obama to first seek Congressional approval, Scott Rigell, is the Congressman in my district. I wrote him a big letter as many other people did too. I stand corrected. Maybe democracy does work. Now we need to work that Congress tells the Prez no to war.
I expect he will get approval from Congress. At least we know the pressure is great enough against war that he needs approval from Congress as a way of saying he listened to the people.
My spirit says no, but my sense says your right. This Congress voting thing is likely a set up.
My spirit used to think we had a say until that delusion was crushed.
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Somebody might shoot him down in mid air if he doesn't. Somebody will shoot him down in mid air if he does.
Military strikes on Syria 'as early as Thursday,' US officials say http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/27/20209022-military-strikes-on-syria-as-early-as-thursday-us-officials-say
Architect of Syria War Plan Doubts Surgical Strikes Will Work http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/08/26/architect_of_syria_war_plan_doubts_surgical_strikes_will_work
Syria crisis: Russia and China step up warning over strike http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23845800
The Middle East’s Big Knot of Enemies and Allies, Visualized In one chart. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/map_of_the_week/2013/08/financial_times_middle_east_conflicts_letter_to_the_editor_charted.html
Krauthammer: "Pointless Exercise" If Attack On Syria Isn't About Regime Change http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/08/27/krauthammer_pointless_exercise_if_attack_on_syria_isnt_about_regime_change.html
No, no, no, no, no, no... LET's NOT DO THIS!!!
If the neighboring nations and/or the UN can't/won't handle this and we have to do something to [really, truly] save innocent lives, send in the drones.
There is an astonishing disinterest in what influences policy. People must learn to focus on the causes, not the effects. There are institutions that have subjugated our govt, media, financial control, etc. They have diverted our nation's policy towards a Global agenda. They squander our Domestic resources pursuing global domination. The greatest threats to National Security are not the terrorists, but those who subvert the interest's of the citizenry.
Everyone should make an effort to learn about what is subverting our govt, media, banking, etc. For instance learn about the Trilateral commission, Council for foreign relations, various think Tanks, Advocacy groups, etc. This is what is controlling policy, destroying your future, determining elections, and sending your children to fight their wars for global conquest.
The least people should do is learn about these influences. Use that knowledge to better understand what is happening. You don't have to fully embrace them as conspiracies, but just have knowledge of them. When the population has a broader knowledge, it will not be so easy for them to feed us propaganda.
I hear you. Not sure why others don't.
It's like, we all know how fucked up the whole situation is, but when it comes to a crisis, suddenly we again trust the same people who fucked everything up in the first place?
Mind-numbing. Really.
no one wants more military aggression by the US
This certainly looks suspect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG_BhXM26UA&feature=youtu.be
Damn, B. To say that clip was well worth the seven-and-a-half minutes would be an understatement. It's like a peek behind the curtain.
Thanks. Shortly after Sept 11 '01, a couple of college students created this rather impressive short film. You might have seen it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtHW5q1DaX0
That was good! When I was in high school we were pretty much into playing around with the 8mm movie cameras, but if we would've had the technology the youngin's have nowadays, we would have been in heaven.
You've probably seen this one. It's a classic. Just the kind of thing we would've done:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwI-CHLszo0
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The US and Syria will be testing out equipment. Syria will probably do the human sheild bit.
War is a racket.
I'm not so sure anybody is out testing equipment. US leaders plan to deluge Syria with missiles and bombs that they know work perfectly well , and a lot of people in Syria are going to get smothered because they have no where else to go. Pretty sicko to me.
As Americans do we want that kind of blood on our hands?
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Hagel. Mr "The Republicans dont like him, so we'll take him" guy...
Turns out its the same conclusion, another fascist globalist.
Who would have thought?
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Re. ''hegemonic plans'', please see : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnFlsjhpGfw !!
e tenebris, lux ...
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''As the United States, along with its European and Israeli allies, prepares to launch yet another illegal war of aggression in the Middle East ... the geopolitics of the US strategy could not be more apparent.
''Despite the high-minded talk of humanitarianism, the US is advancing a transparently neo-colonialist agenda aimed at securing hegemony in the region by destroying what little opposition remains.'' from :
''The War on Iran Begins … in Syria'', by Eric Draitser : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36013.htm & see ..
''The Broader Stakes of Syrian Crisis'', by Ray McGovern : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36008.htm ;
''U.S. Neocon Hawks Take Flight Over Syria'', by Jim Lobe : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36010.htm ;
''Is Attacking Syria Necessary For US National Security ?'', by Glenn Greenwald : http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/28/ongoing-nsa-work &
''Kucinich : Syria Strike Would Turn US Into 'al Qaeda's Air Force'', by Julian Pecquet : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36002.htm .
fiat lux et fiat pax ...
not sure I believe in "al Qaeda"
if people are suggesting the US supports totalitarian dictatorship
there's proof of that .
Yep, ''totalitarianism'' abroad and 'parasitism' at home, democracy is in danger, everywhere :
http://billmoyers.com/segment/bill-moyers-essay-the-end-game-for-democracy/ & ...
''Bombing Syria : War as Therapy'', by Brendan O'Neill : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36017.htm .
multum in parvo ...
got that link thanks
''Why America Cannot Live Without Wars'', by Chidanand Rajghatta :
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Why-America-cannot-live-without-wars/articleshow/22131113.cms and alt. link and font ...
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36023.htm .
''By one count, the United States has fought some 70 wars since its birth 234 years ago; at least 10 of them major conflicts. "We like war... we are good at it!" the great, insightful comedian George Carlin said some two decades ago, during the first Gulf War. "We are not good at anything else anymore... can't build a decent car or a television, can't give good education to the kids or health care to the old, but we can bomb the shit of out any country..."
fiat lux et fiat pax ...
[-] 8675309 points by DKAtoday (8675309) from Coon Rapids, MN
Off topic - totally off topic (sorry ) - but :
Really? Who accused you of being a right winger? and Renneye? You know anything about that?
Sounds like crazy talk to me ( that it happened ) but I suppose I could be mistaken.
Renneye? You see this comment?
Ooops you might want the permalink to the comment.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/monsanto-everthing-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-g/#comment-998630
Well to answer your inquiry, laughably that has been the case from both Trashy-Troll-Bot and that kooky ProblemSolver/UnfriendlyObserver dude but getting drawn into such nonsense is not really productive & I'm only responding here so that I can bring the following to your attention on this important thread :
pax nunc ...
Nice & in return :
http://occupywallst.org/forum/thoughts-on-syria-anyone-or-general-thoughts-on-th/
Replying here; "Shock Doctrine" ?
Meaning create a problem, then provide a solution?
Pretend you've made a difference? You're onto it.
It is how much policy is shaped/forged.
The veil is wearing thin.
They have been pretty obvious lately. They last 20 years most especially. The last ten years blatantly.
Very good link & I've replied there but here, I append & recommend :
multum in parvo ...
Sound familiar to anyone?
" The U.S. and others are not interested in examining any contrary evidence, "
Unilateral terrorist actions are the modus operandi of Empire.
Shock Doctrine
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Dem voters tho' misguided are not The Enemy ... The 0.01% Parasites, Banksters, Military-Industrial-Security-Incarceration-Complex War Mongers, Plutocrats and Kleptocrats are !!! You know what I think re. your service and affiliation to The 1% Trashy !! Fancy repeating your 'it's not about The 99% and 1%'' thoughts now and do you think that that is at utter variance to OWS or not ?! More relevant to the OP :
''The Real Target of These Attacks is Not Syria'', by Robert Fisk : http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/iran-not-syria-is-the-wests-real-target-8789506.html and with ''cave - bellum se ipsum alet'' very much in mind, please see :
'George Galloway - 'Who Are You To Decide That You Will Launch A War ?" (Video) : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36019.htm and full speech also available here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwM-APF2ni4 which includes answer to both interventions.
Demoblican-Republocrat Duopoly and 0.01% Bankster, Oligarch co-option of US Politrix is transparent to all with the eyes to see but how we mobilise, educate, agitate and organise The US & Global 99% to act for their collective well being in a fairer, more just, sustainable and peaceful world is the question. A question to which you will never have any thoughts, never mind answers because you are what you are -
anguis in herba !!
You've got the scale about right, but the list of actors is missing the Soviets and the cold war. Syria is the gateway to Russian held oil assets.
True enough that Syria is not the Islamic target.
Over and over I see rightious disgust for the party system. Others see it and have used it as inspiration. A party that ends all parties. The principal party. That concept can "mobilise, educate, agitate and organise The US & Global 99% to act for their collective well being" like has never happened before.
Why? Because Americans basically agree on the principles. Getting past the misinfo, manipulation and misleading creating superficial divisions (reinforced for decades) and unreasonable fears is going to be the hardest part.
surely, all politicians cannot be corrupt
but they may not have the support of the business world which functions though the flow of money
The exceptions prove the rule re. 'corrupt politicians' I think Matt. Dennis Kucinich ; Cynthia McKinney, Bernie Sanders, Ralph Nader spring to mind and some may say RFK :
When Power, Money, Military & Empire come together, a dark nexus occurs and peace is threatened ... just like now. Also consider :
''Who Blocked Syrian Peace Talks ?'', by Robert Parry : http://consortiumnews.com/2013/08/30/who-blocked-syrian-peace-talks/ &
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwM-APF2ni4 ~
fiat lux et fiat pax ...
the US is great due to resources
It was an 'Empire' from the get go (just ask the Native Pre-Columbian Peoples) and please don't confuse ''great'' with 'powerful'.
The U$A is like the concentration, distillation and manifestation of the best and worst of humanity. Y'all can scoop the tail of a comet and return it to Earth for analysis - an exquisite symphony of mathematics enough to bring tears to the eyes and yet bomb the living daylights out of people with airborne terror at the flick of a switch and on a whim.
Americans could still be a force for good and integrity in the world if ONLY they could just reclaim their democracy from their 0.01% Parasitic Class and its Military-Industrial-Security-Incarceration-Complex.
It is not just US war hawks that are responsible for the state of our world, here are some words from a Gigantic War Criminal who can't walk the streets of his own country without risking a citizens' arrest :
I fkn hate Tony BLiar & it's sad and telling how enamoured of him so many Americans were and still are.
fiat lux et fiat pax ...
October 12th, 1492: Native Americans discovered Columbus lost at sea.
As far as the revolutionary war, if the British managed to keep all their banks here, and their legal system (the BAR), did they really lose?
King George III may have got his German ass booted out but did the Bank of England leave at the same time ? Hmmm ! As per the OP, I append :
multum in parvo ...
Theres only one solution at this point, and its a plan that is so radical i dont think the majority of the population can handle it....
Start mass producing peace prizes!!! hahahahah
:)
"Start mass producing peace prizes!!!" Hmmm?
It's that kinda out-of-the-box thinking that we need TD
Mass producing them? You really think that can cheapen them anymore than having given one to Obama his first year in office for no good reason?
You mean that Republican Defense Secretary that all the Dem supporters were slobbering over is going to simply bow down to the war machine?
Im sooooooo shocked.
Latest news now is that Obama and sick puppy company are going to start bombing Syria within two weeks!
Hard Targets including Schools, Hospitals, Markets, Wedding Parties
Yes, and women and children first.
Here's a comment from Huff Post that adds up;
"This is just a practise run for an Iran strike. O has to make sure all his toys work against pretty much the same advanced Russian air defenses both countries have."
The US wants complete control of the Persian Gulf.
The US is really out for complete control of the entire planet. There are plans on the pentagon drawing board now to do China. Syria is stupid and sicko enough, but China? That is psycho demented.
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s Not about Syrian people,Its about Israel they want to create buffer zone between Syria and Israel and than hand the area to Israel to build more settlement in the futures also would be part of settlement along with golan heightsI suppose that is why Israel will be deluged by missile fire should Syria be attacked. It will be interesting to see how much of Israel will be left.
Did they ever get that missile defense shield bought and paid for by the U.S.A. up? If they did then I'll wonder if it will actually work.
They have the missile shield US tax payer paid for., and they located around there border the only time they move them when the add more land from the Arab neighbors .,I bid they(US and collation) will create so large buffer zone,Syria would forget about Golan high hahah
I suppose they put up that missile shield in preparation for this Syria thing, which I'm sure they also planned out a few years ago.
Has it occurred to anyone that Russia is probably the one who launched the chemical attack, simply to make Obama look bad?
To stop wars we need Article V. Our congress, courts and pres are wedded to the MIC.