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Forum Post: Underlying purpose of the Occupy Wall Street movement comes into focus

Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 18, 2011, 6:44 p.m. EST by NYCOccupier (0)
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The still growing Occupy Wall Street movement, now spreading across the globe, with some mixed results (see Rome for idiocy, Lower Manhattan for sanity), has been called out for not having a defined, cohesive agenda of items they are asking for or changes they want to see made. The problem with that is there are so many things they see as wrong in this country, like the idea that of industrialized nations, the United States ranks behind Egypt and Tunisia when looking at the income disparity between the wealthiest and the poorest earners. Bank of America, who recently announced plans to slash 50,000 jobs, released its third quarter earnings report, pulling in $6.2 billion for the time frame. No one has yet to go to jail for the collapse of the financial sector in 2007 which was wrought with criminal negligence, if not intent, on the part of big banks and investment firms who were bundling assets they knew to be toxic together and selling them to investors who were told by the complicit ratings agencies that these were solid investments.

This is why people are so disgusted, disillusioned, overflowing with contempt, things like this are going on in most giant corporations. It's almost as if they are trying to run off with as much as they can before the shit hits the fan and these politicians are forced to comply with their constituents demands, not special interest, or get voted out, regardless of party. This is why the cohesive message has yet to be articulated, it is, ineffable as it were, the list of problems is immense and beyond the scope of a single, silly rallying cry like "Don't tread on me!" Some in the media and political world are at least making an effort to shine a light on some of the injustices and outright broken systems that Americans have had enough of.

Dylan Ratigan, host of the Dylan Ratigan Show, is using the stump well, organizing Get Money Out, a petition he started, one supported by a host of political insiders like former DC lobbyist Jimmy Williams, which advocates for and brings together people from the left and right who believe that the auction system having overtaken American election needs to be cured by a constitutional amendment taking the money out of elections. With the Citizens United decision, which allowed unlimited donations from undisclosed donors through Super PACs, the overwhelming majority of money being pumped into political campaigns comes from special interest groups and billionaire plutocrats. To be clear, to reiterate, this is applicable to both parties who are guilty of these morally reprehensible actions. Our election system is basically a system of bribery, lobbyists and elected officials working out quid pro quo arrangements behind closed doors that affect policy and laws every day.

Mark McKinnon, one of the co-founders of No Labels, a movement of like minded Americans who believe both sides share common values and must put those values before the rigid ideology of the political parties. He has worked on many political campaigns through the years, most recently on the George W. Bush campaigns, and he points out that candidates today easily spend 75% of their time raising money, whereas it used to be more like 15-20% of their time. It's no wonder things fail to get done in Washington anymore, as you basically start campaigning for the next term as soon as you begin serving one, unbelievable that this has been put up with by the American people.

As you can see, a variety of forces are coalescing around the Occupy Wall Street movement which wants America to be a better place, where with hard work, dedication, and drive, a person can succeed and live a comfortable life, something that looks more and more like a pipe dream for my generation as the economic outlook for average Americans looks fairly grim without fundamental changes to the way money is earned and taxed. Equity comes from an absence of greed generally speaking when you look at historical figures concerning income disparity, and the income equity in this country is in line with a time in the 1920s, when flappers, fads, lavish parties by the elite, top hats and coattails, all pronounced the inequity in a tangible way that people were eventually able to wrap their heads around and see it for what it is, injustice.

The people protesting around the world are speaking out for these ideas, they want change, and they are beginning to realize that in a democracy, there is strength in numbers, even when financial forces continue to further co-opt the policymakers with their agenda, because there are more of them than there are rich bankers and financiers. Hopefully, the Occupy Wall Street movement continues to grow and real change can be brought at a time when it is desperately needed, or else our whole financial system may go off the cliff, and no one needs that.

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[-] 1 points by TheFred (43) from Clinton, IL 13 years ago

Sounds to me like the OWS is protesting cronyism business, and the Tea Partiers are protesting cronyism government. NCYO, you hit on a few ideas that really piqued my interest here. Wouldn't it be something if the OWSers and the TPers were able to put down their swords at each other, and unite to fight plain old cronyism, which I've thought for a long time was the root of most of this financial mess. The government and business people play us off each other, knowing full well we'll fight each other before we'd even think of joining together to come after them.

Yes, there is a tremendous amount of greed on Wall Street, but they can't do it if the government keeps them in line. The government won't keep them in line because the laws don't require it. The lobbyists for Pete's sake are now writing the bills for our Legislature to pass, and the corporations pay into the election coffers generously for the pleasure of writing those laws (which screw us). We need to stop this on both ends-gov. and business, and we can't do it if 1/2 the country are on one side and 1/2 are on the other.

I've spent a few days reading over this site and the things that hits me the most are the issues brought up that for some reason seem more important to idealogs, when what we all are trying to do, and what the Tea Party and OWS has been trying to do, won't get done with us fighting each other. Issues like the electoral votes, drug laws, divisions of wealth, war, conservative v. liberal, etc. are all beside the point right now. The crisis bearing down on us like a boulder is the financial snafu. The country can't support it any more. If we can't get the fools in DC and Wall Street to act like decent human beings, we are all lost.

Just some thoughts.

[-] 1 points by Thinkdeer (250) 13 years ago

It is really a matter of not seeing the forest for the trees isn't it?

We all get together, we talk about ideas and hopes both big and small. We practice horizontal decision making and consensus. People show up because they are angry with hierarchy, and learn how to do with out it. This protest against capitalism is a demonstration of what comes next. That is what is so confusing to many, even though it seems so direct and obvious to others. But seeing that a whole different world is possible, is hard when all you know is all you have seen.

[-] -1 points by TheFred (43) from Clinton, IL 13 years ago

So, it's really a protest against capitalism?

[-] 0 points by Thinkdeer (250) 13 years ago

not necessarily. I misspoke. It is more complex then that, i suppose I should say the current mismanagement of the system. For some this could mean corporatism, some it could be cronyism in business, for some it could be private money in public politics, the list goes on.

None the less, the lessons learned still reflect the chance to run businesses together and locally assuring that the members of the business benefit from it. Though that isn't the only options as long as all workers can freely and volunteer to leave, with out fear of being completely for a loss.

[-] 1 points by TheFred (43) from Clinton, IL 13 years ago

Gottcha. And, cronyism is actually a very complex problem. It's graft, corruption, greed, special interest, all kinds of rotten pollution of a good system gone out of whack. Trying to rebuild the whole system at once, in an instant, is quite a daunting task, one most would find impossible and have a country left at the end.

[-] 1 points by Thinkdeer (250) 13 years ago

good thing their is plenty of time... or maybe not. but if not, not much you can do about it.

And yes it is all very complex.

[-] 1 points by TheFred (43) from Clinton, IL 13 years ago

Unless we work through all the problems, together, reign in our so-called representatives and work to fix the foundation, time won't really matter; the house will fall.

My gut tells me that though I understand what you guys are doing, and actually am cheering you on, you are camping out on the wrong real estate. I'd think state capitals and DC would cause the PTB more problems and get an ear quicker. Just my own opinion.

[-] 1 points by funtime (1) from Newark, NJ 13 years ago

well, based on the mountain of debt that grows ever higher, the change you want is coming, but not necessarily in the way you want.

the dollar is a fiat currency and all fiat curriencies through history have failed.

the mountain of debt growing ever higher will speed up that process.