Forum Post: two questions 1) what do you want? 2) how do you see your goals being implimented?
Posted 12 years ago on March 19, 2012, 8:22 p.m. EST by Dell
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Finally - maybe we can get some answers to simple questions.
1) To abolish Plutocracy.
2) Two parts:
A) Direct Action (e.g. blockades, boycotts, seizure of streets and rail and other public spaces, mass general strike, civil insurrection etc.)
&
B) the creation of alternate social/economic institutions (google: Participatory economics "parecon", Anarcho-syndicalism, Mutualism, libertarian socialism, etc.)
I hope that is a satisfactory start. :)
Any thing else?
good luck. So basically you are trying to overthrow the government and install your own system. Not unlike Castro or Lenin.
1.Obama,Democrats and OWS to lose in 2012.
2.By the election of an ultra Conservative President and the return of a anti-Communist,Socialist, McCarthyism to drain the swamp of Leftists's and Progressives from Washington,Hollywood and Academe.
For the thousandth time:
OWS does not support Obama---we are protesting against him.
Why is this so hard?
I want you to think about the things OWS is protesting about and then click on any of these links: http://uk.reuters.com/article/2008/06/05/analysis-shares-obama-idUKNOA53525520080605
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-01-27-lobbyist_N.htm
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2010/12/09/ex-white-house-budget-director-joins-citigroup/
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/mar/21/nation/na-wallstdems21
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/19/business/19gensler.html?ref=politics
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/oct/10/nation/la-na-obama-jobs-council-20111010
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/03/AR2009040303732.html?hpid=topnews
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/22/business/schneiderman-is-said-to-face-pressure-to-back-bank-deal.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
http://dailybail.com/home/where-are-the-wall-street-prosecutions-gretchen-morgenson-ag.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/19/business/19dimon.html?pagewanted=all
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aKGZkktzkAlA
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32545908/ns/business-stocks_and_economy/t/obama-selects-bernanke-second-fed-term/#.Tw0j0PntlnA
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13631.html
Why the FUCK would a protest movement that is against Wall St. control of our government support Obama (their best paid shill)?
Does that make ANY sense?
Really?
Tell it to the OWS Obama shills that live on this forum.
I do. They don't listen.
But they are just internet trolls and not actual occupiers. Their opinion doesn't matter. Just ignore them, they are trying to leech off the movement cause they think they can get more votes for the corporatist democratic party.
Hmm,didn't think about it that way,but still even some actual "occupiers" are supporting Obama are they not?
I can understand where this perception originates. The democratic establishment tried to hijack OWS in much the same way as the Republican establishment hijacked the tea party. MSNBC tried to get us in their court for a while and Fox news responded in kind by attacking us.
It didn't work: http://www.salon.com/2011/10/11/can_ows_be_turned_into_a_democratic_party_movement/
I know a handful of people who dislike him but see him as the "lesser of two evils". I think that is an unrealistic approach myself. The very perception that he is the "lesser evil" has enable him to do stuff that even Bush never dared to do (like pass the 2012 NDAA, which is much worse than the Patriot Act) and get away with it.
Most people up here at OWS that I've met don't subscribe to the lesser evil narrative.
Thanks,that's good to hear however to defeat Obama a Republican will have to win. Santorum or Romney are way more preferable to 4 more yrs of Obama. Whatever you may feel about Repubs,Obama is destroying the country and if Obamacare isn't struck down or killed by the next POTUS we are sincerely fucked.
Voting Obama is not an option and the only way to defeat him is to vote for the Repub nominee.
they fear the republicans
Sesame Street - That's about the size of it