Forum Post: Trolling?
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 16, 2011, 1:08 a.m. EST by jbob
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I think it is funny how you guys are so pationate about this, but once there is some opposition, usually making good points, you dismiss them as trolls. Either you are too dumb to counter point, or you know your cause is awful, but you want to be part of something in your insignificant lives so you try and defend but fail, miserably.
Personally, I enjoy discussing alternate viewpoints. But when someone posts 20 times and says nothing but "I make a million dollars a year! So there!" or "You're all Nazis!" -sorry, that's a troll. I haven't seen many "points" being made by the opposition, just a bunch of stupid insults.
But one thing about that LW. I have seen many people in support of the basic argument of OWS (corp. money out of politics, fu*k the too big to fail BS (that was my words, but I believe the general feeling at OWS.) I am a conservative that is strongly in support of the basics of OWS. But if I and others have a difference of opinion on some issues then I and others are 'tea-baggers, fascists, Koch funded, etc...)
What is OWS main cause/argument? If it's the first two that I mentioned, then I'll be sending pizzas or anything else for support. I'm not going to support a movement that is asking people to disregard all their debt. That is just sunny day wishes.
OWS is already splintering within. If OWS got a coherent message and PRESSED it you have vast support. But the vast amount of special interest groups is hurting bad. (had to edit...the 'special interests' are the ones that latch on. If you're pressing for a vast change, don't bring up LGBT rights, Free Mumia, or any of the other groups that tend to show up at any event.
I have to agree with you - I personally believe that the ONLY demands (at least for now) for OWS should be a repeal of corporate personhood and full equitable public financing for elections. Because this is the real issue. If we don't get rid of the "right" of corporations to quite literally bribe our supposed leaders, we will NEVER have democracy of any kind - on ANY side. I wish conservatives and liberals could unite over this one issue. It isn't good for anyone anywhere if we cannot elect people to genuinely represent the will of the people.
I believe you're right in that OWS doesn't have a "main cause." I think it's because it didn't begin in reaction to any particular event, but more a cultural/societal situation. So they're protesting a situation. And I've been really concerned since seeing this list of like 10 demands coming out of these assemblies. We need one, two, MAYBE three main issues to focus on. Corporate personhood and campaign financing are the most important ones, IMO. Which was sort of the point of my post here - I'd love to discuss this stuff with people, but everyone's just "screaming" on here, so I'm not seeing a lot of constructive talk happening.
Ah well.
Ahhh (((LW))). Hugs to you. We'd probably be fighting like cats and dogs (in a good way:-) ) if we ever met. But we agree on the basics. If those on both sides can get over their pet peeves then OWS will truly be unstoppable.
get a mod to sort those statements into their designated categories
everyone is still free to speak that way
That's right.
Truth^.
well LaughinWillow it's hard for me to entertain so called apposing views really it is so simple your either upset with corruption in Washinton, in banking and on Wall St., and the Corporate media for spreading the lies and conducting the coverups that make all of the corruption possible. Or your not upset with those four entities which means your ill informed because no one could be both informed and apposed to OWS all at the same time no one is that ignorant. There is no "apposing view" your either with us or your under-informed/misinformed.
You are mistaken, jbob.
There have been many of productive conversations here between people with radically opposed views. But when trolls like vox come and start making anti-Semitic and racist declarations that are meant to be incendiary and misrepresent OWS as itself anti-Semitic and racist, then they are asked to leave.
Restrictions on free speech are indeed un-American. But just because someone is free to make bigoted comments doesn't mean that I have an obligation to welcome them into my home and be associated with them.
If you're really interested in amplifying the voices of the trolls that have flocked to this site, why not set up a message board where everyone is free to make all the bigoted comments they want while claiming the name of OWS? Know well, though, that such trolls are not welcome here or in the OWS movement.
Opposition is fine. Blatant attempts to provoke animosity are not.
Who decides?
Everyone. Trolling is not mere opposition, it's blatant provocation. Blatant, meaning the consensus is that they're not here to be constructive. On a forum, a mod is supposed to be smart enough to determine who would, by consensus, be considered such a person. Of course it's never going to be a perfectly objective system, since nothing ever is (look at the current US version of democracy) but we try.
Where is the consensus? Is there a vote? Or is it up to the mod?
(and I'm just asking, if the mod has full control that's not going to work out too well.)
I answered your question already. Read carefully.
Not really. Unless you're saying the mod got the position 'by consensus.' Who makes up the 'consesus'?
If you're just going to say that nothing is ever perfect, that is an easy out.
Nothing is perfect. You can consider it a mere easy out but it's the truth. When you come up with the perfect system, I want you to contact me immediately. We'll present it to the book of records together.
LOL. I'll be publishing a book with it! G'night.
trolls, it's just damn fun to say. thx charlie.
"you want to be part of something in your insignificant lives so you try and defend but fail, miserably"
Notice the use of the word "insignificant", it is a deliberate provocation by belittling one or more people, whom this poster have probably never met or never will. It is a good example of how trolls provoke. If you want to have serious discussions, please join the phpbb forum for the occupy movement created to supplement this forum, where these trolls will not able to provoke or derail discussions: http://www.themultitude.org/
A troll may still have a (this varies) valuable opinion from time to time. The problem is they aren't using it for purposes of communication and education, it's about insulting others.
It really isn't just about corporate greed, which is very easy to prove. But these movements are really just something way smaller in the big picture.
http://thecommongood.net/2011/10/somethings-happening-here/
I'm board
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Anyways, I just want to say that I'm really rich because of all my hard work and it had nothing to do with my willingness to take risks with my family and the general lottery of life. So all of you "99%" communist nazi bangers should just get a job and stop smoking weed like they said on Fox News. So what if I can make unlimited contributions to my representatives? So can you!
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Quanzo Pfter
951 cities joined the protest today. If OWS was not an authentic movement, this would not have happened. We have never seen anything like this in the entire history of the planet.
We understand why you are frighted. Change is unnerving. This must be very difficult for you. You and the others who are posting negative comments on this forum are feeling threatened and uncertain. We understand. These are anxious times.Try to consider this from the perspective of those on "the other side" and then remember, THERE IS NO OTHER SIDE. There is one country, under God.
This is a new leaderless movement, barely one month old. It is messy and confusing, as it should be.
Join us.
I would rather kill myself than see this country, that I love, go down they crapper. Socialism and communism are not good. Would you really rather live in a country like china that controls everything you do, down to the amount of kids you have?
You aren't being called a troll because you have an "opposing view point", you are being called a troll because you are willingly misrepresenting the movement in order to prove a point.
and again you arent counter pointing. you are just... wait for it... calling me a troll.
BTW, you were willing to completely misrepresent a single sentence of mine. I guess it's no surprise that you seek to misrepresent an entire movement.
No, I also explained why you are being called a troll. Read it again. :)
ok then..... how am misrepresenting the movement in order to prove a point?
The movement is about confronting a problem of "too big to fail" corporate interests, an increasing growth disparity, and an overall feeling of "playing a rigged game". This, in no way, means the goal of the group is to enact full blown socialism (which has been a thread of our economic system for decades) or communism (an exercise in futility).
I would say the "home-run" play for OWS would be to win campaign finance reform. But I hardly speak for the majority on this.
jbob- "So let me get this straight, you are arguing that I am misrepresenting the movement, but in your last statement you say you hardly speak for the majority. Do you even know what the movement is?"
"I would say the "home-run" play for OWS would be to win campaign finance reform. But I hardly speak for the majority on this."
Once again, misrepresenting what I say. Not sure if you are doing it on purpose, or if you are just skimming responses and filling in the blanks inside your head.
So let me get this straight, you are arguing that I am misrepresenting the movement, but in your last statement you say you hardly speak for the majority. Do you even know what the movement is?
So jbob who are you a troll or someone looking for an education.
Are you a troll or someone looking for an education?
explain?
They are going to call you a troll haha.
Because they're are idiots