Forum Post: total joke
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 8, 2011, 3:32 p.m. EST by haters
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your kidding me right? all you people are the ones who TOOK those bad mortgages when you should have full well KNOWN you had no prayer at paying them back. this whole thing is a joke you are accomplishing absolutely nothing, so congratulations.
WTF are you talking about. http://www.datamasher.org/mash-ups/median-household-income-plus-foreclosure-rates look at income and foreclosure rate. no correlation. if anything the folks you are talking about never even qualified for a mortgage. douche.
you know who bought house to big to pay for, the angry a$$ tea party. thats what they really want back :P
If this movement is truly successful, it will represent a major change in the economic and political systems of the US.
One major factor in keeping the population under control are the artificial class and race barriers that have been erected by the ruling class. (Howard Zinn's A Peoples History of the US has the best explanation of this.) By the way, I include union leadership in the 1% ruling class.
OWS tries to be a classless, raceless movement. This frightens the ruling class to no end.
Thus, one of their major social control mechanisms has failed.
To counter this in the short term, they have encouraged hatemongers to post on this forum, and to express sympathy with OWS. The racist right has been insistent on denying Obama any cooperation. These forces of hate have felt threatened since Obama's election, anyway, and they sense the power of this movement. Without an artificial racial and economic divide, these groups would have no reason to exist.
Many poor whites make up the bulk of these hate groups, but others, specifically recent immigrants (East Indians, Russians, etc.), belong, too. The poor whites have been more negatively impacted by the financial crisis than most, so the risk to the ruling class is two fold:
Hatemongers might just wake up and realize they have been played by the 1%, and actually join the movement. This would be a nightmare for the ruling class.
Many of the exploited poor white folks who are hate group members or sympathizers are also members of unions and the police/armed forces. Without a reason to protect the 1%, the 1% would suddenly become quite vulnerable physically.
If the ruling class can paint this movement as racist and antisemitic, they can lower the attractiveness of OWS to the bulk of Americans, who believe in fair play above all else.
I suggest occupiers remain peaceful and positive.
omg your a total joke because you would let your dumbshit ass become a slave and die before ever realizing that something is wrong.
don't think people are defending people who took unreasonable mortgages. But there were many abuses by mortgage lenders etc. to induce people to take risks when, the exact opposite should be true. Wall St. Took risks with derivative trading and other stuff, but they were bailed out, executives received huge salaries and bonuses and many of these practices still continue. Let's tax the Wealthy a fair amount. Those making 1-5 million, pay a surtax of 5%; those between 5-25 million, would pay 10% and those who make over 25 million, 15% tax surcharge. Then, increase taxes on the following: alcohol, cigarettes, gambling (on-line also), prostitution; increase luxury taxes; tax Wall Street sales; tax sales on the internet. With the revenue coming in, expand Medicare for all; jobs and job training for those who need it.
It's spelled "you're".
As in, "You're needing to re-take first grade english"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2047664/Occupy-Wall-Street-Children-1-good-time-protests.html
This is more accurate. hahaha
I agree.... there is no solution being presented so nothing is being accomplished. Oh wait, maybe some greedy wall street executive will fly his helicopter over NYC showering money on streets (all in an effort to give back to the people). Here is my solution to this movement: GET TO WORK AND OCCUPY A JOB LIKE THE REST OF US!!!!!
read this haters:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/to-all-the-people-who-are-against-this-movement/
Because they are costing the rest us money. How much are we paying for these whiners? What's the total today?
If you have all of your needs met and are happy, you would not be speaking in that manner.
FYI, if you're concerned about money, Occupy Iraq and Afghanistan costs us over $1 trillion.
Ya, that sucked too. Doesn't make this suck any less. They should be protesting in Washington in front of the white house and sending whatever message they are trying to send to our failure of a president.
The protests are going on in Washington. And in 150+ other cities. Realize it's everywhere.
And you should know that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars have been going on long before the current president was in office. The politicians are just puppets controlled by big business. That is the problem. And that, my friend, is why people are sleeping in the park on Wall Street.
Sleeping in the park because they have nothing else going on in their lives and they need to belong to something. I'm guessing 99% of them had their heads shoved in lockers on a daily basis in their youth. Now they feel some sense of power and part of a group. Still laughing at them.
I agree
""TOOK those bad mortgages when you should have full well KNOWN you had no prayer at paying them back"""
But only people whent bankrupt, bank that lend money should also break down, and not ask for FED some help. I usually dont give money even to my sister, if I know I will not get the money back. Banks should not lend money to people that knows they will not pay back.
But politics instead of stoping that on both sides, bankers that know that will not recover they money , and people that just ask form homes that will never be able to pay. Politics and banker just let it grow. Is part of the trouble, dont give money to people that will ever turn it back. Give them instead a small house, a better job, or what ever, just take out in the midle bank.
They should be camping out at the white house and protesting failed policies there. What they're doing now is just a big camp vacation, free stuff, don't have to work...zzzzzzzzzzzz
"Whining on Wall Street" IS a joke. It's a temper tantrum, not a movement (maybe a bowel movement seeing as they're defecating on police cars and public property). Disgusting. The inept, crazy, lazy, wannabe hippies doing a crappy job at re-enacting the 60's. Anyone with half a brain is laughing at them. Funny how "the man" is taking care of them while their out there protesting "the man". Losers.
except I don't have a bad mortgage. I decided not to participate in what turned out to be just more systematic persecution of the working poor who unfortunately believed all the romantic marketing schemes concerning Home Ownership.
You would have a point except for the simple fact that a few people made quite a lot of money purposefully writing mortgages for people they KNEW had not a prayer of paying them back. It is a little different when that was the PLAN all along.
You don't really understand what actually happened do you..
Again, trying to lump everyone into one ideological/sociological basket. OccupyWallStreet is now a broad-based movement with diverse interests.
I did not take out a bad mortgage, in fact my modest middle-class house is paid for. I have been gainfully employed for about 40 years and will soon be entering retirement. Why do I support the #OWS? I have virtually no voice in my government because it is bought and paid for by big business. My representatives could care less about what I have to say. I see the cards stacked middle-class Americans. I see great opportunity to influence the decisions of government and big corporations by making collective demands.
But you don't understand. Accepting this would mean the people accepting responsibility for themselves and that would just be way too much to ask. :)
and you obviously do not understand what actually happened in the Mortgage meltdown if you think it can be explained by 'people accepting responsibility'
How are the victims supposed to take responsibility for one of the biggest most carefully constructed con job ever perpetrated on the working poor?
I guess that is how people like you sleep at night.. by feeling as if you actually have some control over all the things you do not understand by believing that your stance on personal responsibility insulates you from Corporate Malfeasance.
"Liberty and responsibility are inseparable." - Hayek
I didn't take a bad mortgage; interestingly, they offered me a limit that was almost twice what I actually felt comfortable financing - ($250,000 versus $150,000) - but I wasn't stupid enough to bite. Chalk it up to my mother being frugal.
However, I have 6 or 7 old friends who have been foreclosed on because they lost their jobs, through no fault of their own. And what about the 'boomerang' generation, many of which are probably on this forum? Is it their fault they have crushing student debt and the economy is in the toilet, so there are no professional level jobs for them to even begin paying back these obligatory loans? Heck, they can't even declare bankruptcy and get out from under the obligation, no thanks to Uncle Sam. That's okay, I guess they can go home and sleep on Uncle Sam's couch while we ride out the Greatest Depression, created by our own wild, partying, out-of-control government.
If you think this OWS is stupid, you must be one of us. https://www.facebook.com/WeAreThe1Percent
99% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
what have you accomplished?
If you see no value in this movement, go back to your corporate zombie box and shuffle some more paper.
The fact the the OWS pretends to speak for 99% of the people gives all of us a right to voice our opinions, does it not?
You have the right to voice your opinion anyway. However, the 99% of the 99% that the OWS DOES NOT speak for can counter this protest with a single message: "You don't speak for me." The OWS is a 1% fringe movement attempting to elevate themselves by claiming they represent 99% Americans. They don't.
The 99% is just a slogan to get attention. Think in more broader terms, if you can. Would it help if the slogan was the 53.68%? Or 23.98%? Or 9.67?
It isn't a slogan, it is a misrepresentation.
So, if this is a misrepresentation of your ideals. What are your ideals? More of the same?
more of the same without Obama!
What are my ideals? My ideals are that corporations that do something illegal should be tried and punished. Corporations that leverage advantages that they are given by Congress are doing what corporations should be doing - seek maximum advantage for themselves and their interest. Laws are made in a single place in our Country - Congress. If GE pays no taxes, assuming they did nothing illegal, then they paid no taxes because CONGRESS created the laws and methods that permitted it. There is a single problem here: Congress. Congress has the power to clean this up. OWS is pissing away an opportunity to send a clear message to Congress by targeting the wrong target and having so many messages and points that you can't find a point.
If you read the posts on this forum, it's not only directed at corporate America and Wall Street. It's also directed at the Fraudulant Government.
Yes, and maybe if OWS targets a few more things, it will help to focus the message even more. The replacement of capitalism is not going to happen. The most that OWS can hope for is to scare the shit out of Congress into thinking they won't get reelected if they don't make some campaign finance changes. However, there is nothing about the OWS message at this point that is sending that message. As a result, the OWS will be October's news and then the Country will move on to the next event. There are more people at the Penn State football game today than are participating in OWS.
Have you thought about why Congress created tax laws that lets companies like GE avoid taxes? Could it have anything to do with the $Millions that such companies bribe, er, support candidates with? If one person gave you $1,000 and another person gave you $0, then they both asked you for a favor, which one would you be more inclined to help?
Of course it has to do with that. What other possible explanation would there be. The difference between you and me is that I put the blame as follows: 100% Congress - 0% Corporations, up until the point that the corporation violated a law.
I'm actually in agreement with you about who's to blame. So how do we change the system where a corporation has equal, rather than 1,000,000 times, influence as a citizen? What congressman (except perhaps Bernie Sanders) is going to vote for rules that significantly impact their ability to get (re)elected? Term limits seem to work in some places at the local level, but "politician" now appears to be a "career choice" at the national level, instead of something you do to serve your country.
What Congressman? Well, I think the Tea Party did a pretty good job trying to stop the influence cycle. What Congress needs is a singular, clear and concise message: voters will support no incumbent in November 2011, no matter what party, unless clear and specific changes are made by Congress before that. It worked in the Republican part to some extent, when many Tea Party members were elected as new members of Congress.
except it is the Koch Brothers who fund your Tea Party.. how exactly does that square with your "stop the Influence cycle' theme?
Disagree on "Tea Party did a pretty good job trying to stop the influence cycle" unless your emphasis is on the word "try". But as Yoda once said, "There is no 'try'. There is 'do' and 'not do'." The TP did not actually "do" despite their effort to try. That said, the true problem is a much bigger one: While many citizens would agree with corporations having much less influence in Congress, the congressmen are smart (clever?) enough to get some local benefits for actual voters. That might be a construction project that creates some jobs, improvements to local infrastructure, or something else that the congressman can stand behind and say, "See, I got some of your tax dollars returned to our district." People seem to hate congressmen (and senators) an awful lot...unless it's theirs and he/she is bringing home some $$$. So it's not just the corporate "influence cycle" (love that term!) that's the problem; it's our expectations about our elected officials as well.
BTW, I personally think most of the TP is just a bunch of wackos, but I do appreciate their efforts to address issues everyone else has been hiding from, much like the minority of politicians who are (finally!) starting to talk about Social Security and Medicare.
Tea party has done nothing, its a corporate sponsored wing of the republican party masquerading as a grass roots effort by " normal " people. If you support any political group and give them undo credit, you too, are part of the problem. Might as well bury your head in the sand, the fact that corporations and their lawyers pay off and influence the laws written, make them culpable
exactly.. these people pretend that it isn't the Koch Brothers calling the Tea Party shots.
I'd support the positions of a Brown over a Frank any day of the week, though I am not a huge Tea Party supporter by any means.