Forum Post: Tolerate the Tea Partiers? We should embrace them!
Posted 12 years ago on Jan. 28, 2012, 7:36 p.m. EST by alterorabolish1
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My friends from my many years of being a conservative republican are still asleep. I was one of them until the financial crisis in 2008, and I was still partially asleep because I bought into Obama's "change we can believe in" message.
Now that I'm wide awake, I congratulate those of you that have been awake all along. If you believe the democratic party is the answer you yourself are still asleep. This is not the time to gloat or blame others.
My friends believe so strongly in America, they trust our government to do the right thing! They honestly do not believe that our government would allow people to cheat! They believe that those who cheat are ultimately caught and punished. They cannot accept that America has a corrupt political process. They sincerely believe Welfare Queens are more of a problem than Crony Capitalism.
They are not stupid! Those of you who feel superior need to consider your goals. They will be very helpful when they wake up because they are highly resolved to help this nation be great again. How can we wake them gently?
We need to concentrate on what's hurting members of both movements: the destruction of the middle class and our constitution being destroyed.
We need to focus on the things where we are in agreement. Possibly only one issue, "Money is not speech". Ideal things like equality, freedom, the Declaration of Independence are issues where almost everyone would agree.
Other important issues might cause divisions and should be avoided until we establish the importance of removing the money influence out of our political process.
It is such an incredible mess that only an Article V convention can straigten it out. If preparatory amendments are agreed upon by delegates, then the people empowered to inform themselves for a time. There is no chance of a runaway.
I thought defending Islamo-fascism was your priority. Now you want to concentrate on real issues??
There is no Islamo-fascism, you are being played into giving up your rights and freedoms.
Giving up my rights and freedoms? You mean from lefties like you who want to censor movies you disagree with and haven't even seen?
Please use the nomdeguerre four step method: 1) engage brain, 2) breathe, 3) open mouth, 4) speak -- you always get things wrong. I never said anything about censoring that movie regarding private or commercial showings, only that the NYPD absolutely should not be allowed to brainwash fools such as yourself with official showings of it. Ray Kelly deserves to be fired for that.
Right, God forbid the NYPD should be trained to recognize fascist Islamist terrorists. I mean, it's not like NYC was ever attacked two times by their ilk, or that they ever threatened to attack the subways, or made numerous other threats against NYC targets. All figments of my imagination. I've been "played", right? (And you still haven't seen the movie, correct?)
Do a little research on the concept of false flag attacks, dumb dumb.
The scariest of all those TERRORISTS you mentioned was the hydrogen peroxide bomber. Oooooh, I'm scared now. Oh yeah, that Times Square incompetent nimrod was pretty scary too.
Luckily the FBI doesn't give their patsy's real explosives (at least not often, of course '93 was a big exception).
Oh damn, a truther.
A genuine,God's honest, dyed-in-the-wool, black helicopters & all, conspiracy theorizing truther.
Stupid of me not to realize sooner that I was dealing with a nutcase.
Thanks for bumping this post. A union of both movements would be your worst nightmare, fascist scum.
How about Truthers, OWS and tea partiers united? Hoo-ray! Then we'll add the RonPaulians and - voila - utopia!
You got that right -- a union of all who believe in the Constitution.
Sorry if that thought causes you to have to change your pampers, maybe I should have led up to it more gently.
To Hell with political parties! Embrace all people. Democracy is for the people, not the organizations. There is no part of Democracy that must include them. Democrats and Republicans are the same as the bloods and crips. A gang war is taking place in Congress! They draw power from their members, and are a tyranny over the non members, the antithesis of democracy.
Don't ever call a person anything other than a human being. That is what we are, not our points of view.
If OWS ever becomes a party, or joins with one, I will distance myself from it like it was the plague.
This is a great post and i agree completely. This perspective is my hope for our future.
What I'd like to see happen is the growth of a brand new movement out of the old, one that merges the calls for public-sector efficiency and accountability coming from the Tea Party, the calls for a serious look at income and tax inequality and better corporate accountability coming from Occupy Wall Street, and the demands for retraction of police power over the individual coming from both sides into a rational answer to our country's current predicament.
Excellent msg. I have stated more than once that right leaning folks are also part of the 99% and that we share common concerns. Am generally met with scorn and vulgar insults. The movement doesn't stand a chance with their conservative bigotry.
Yep, either we are the 99% or we're something else. Amazing to me people blast conservatives for getting their info from Fox News, (yes, it does deceive them), but allow themselves to be deceived to think conservatives are all evil.
Same here. I think it goes down to 'hurray for our side' mentalities that makes many liberal types so bigoted. Oh sure, the same thing happens on the right.
But what makes it especially hypocritical on the left is when they say they hold no prejudices, then produce a junk science report, then exclaim see, I always thought that anyhow.
How can a liberal claim to be inclusive and then tout reports that are anything but?
The road to bigotry and hate starts with the thought that you are better than someone else. But when we start with the premise that we are all equal, we can shed our bigotry and hate and actually accomplish something.
As far as I'm concerned, we can work out the "liberal or conservative" part later down the line (or failing that just go back to squabbling like usual, although I'd hope we've learned better than that) but our main concerns need to be protection of civil liberties and ousting of corporate interests from our government. There's enough common ground on that alone that we could conceivably make major headway. If "conservatives" or whatever they want to call themselves refuse to work with us on those issues, then don't ask me to give them the time of day. Otherwise, we're wasting potential by not reaching out to them.
I think conservatives would work with us on those idealistic issues and there is enough common ground to make major headway. Just focus on the major issue, (or very few issues), otherwise divisions will occur. Other issues are pointless anyway unless the money influence is removed. .
Another Great job this evening by Occupy Oakland!
have you ever personally tried to warn the government, sent messages, or told them about problems that need addressing? I have and to no avail. Unless its all over the news, they could care less.
No, I thought I was part of the government until recently. lol i don't understand why it's not all over the news, but you're right, unless it is, they could care less.
we could be a part of the government, if i had my way id invite every american to vote on every issue using the internet, this wasnt possible during the early formation of congressmen, but it sure is today.
So have I and have yet to receive a reply. Well I did receive one reply from a congressmen here in Georgia when I wrote him about more oil exploration, more nuclear plants to prepare for the future.
He said he would look into it but has yet to decide on the matter.
They will take them little more time to understand the whole picture i would say education them,Also those honst people they never been out side country or there county they live in very close circle of friends
Seeing some of the issues Tea Party supports, there is a sharp disconnect in interests between OWS and the Tea Party. It is unlikely both movements will ever get along.
That is exactly what it boils down to.
"They will be very helpful when they wake up "
And very angry I suspect. But as long as the movement is being steered by libertarian Ideologues and funded by the Koch brothers, I see little mutuality of interest.
Our mutual interest is to include everyone that's part of the 99%, and that includes them. Yes, they will be angry and that's a good thing.
teapartiers are racist they hate the poor and the sick fuck them.
I have known people for many years that currently identify with the tea party. None of them are racist nor do they hate the poor and sick. My hopes that when they wake up they will find friendly people here are dwindling..
Convince them that their interests lie with us, not with the libertarians.
The interests of the libertarians lie with us as well. Our interests need to be unified to succeed against the 1%.
Can you tell me what interests of theirs would be mine as an OWS supporter? You would need to convince me, as well. And, I'm not yet convinced.
They still believe in our government, so they strive to solve our country's problems through traditional methods. Their interests would be similar to yours if they knew the things you know. When they wake up and learn they will be very helpful. It will shatter their strong beliefs that our government is good, and they will be angry and ashamed.
I don't think Tea Partiers believe in our government. They hate government. And, their methods are not traditional. The U.S. now pays a higher interest rate on its debt due to their shenanigans that ultimately led to the S&P downgrade.
Remember that Tea Party leaders are not the same as the individual members, many of whom I have been friends with for many years. The traditional methods to them is to strive for improving government because they are not yet aware it's broken.
I don't see that. But, if what you say is true, then maybe there is hope.
When they wake up, i hope they find forgiving people eager to join them establishing equality by together insisting that money not be allowed to influence elections and government.
I'll agree with you there. I think we can all come together on getting money out of politics. We must.
Yep, all other time spent debating other issues is pointless until it's done.
You are right.
I'm sorry. This is a group that wants to privatize social security among other things. I refuse to align myself with them.
I don't agree with privatizing SS either. However, we will need to be inclusive of all groups that can help us remove the money influence from our political process. If we accomplish that first, having a debate on SS will actually mean something. If money influence is still allowed, debating SS is pointless.
No, You be inclusive. I am not going to.
There is nothing in their political stance that is anywhere close to pro people. The people that they have helped elect are not operating for the people. In fact, they support them still. So, you may be willing to compromise your values. I will not.
You could be inclusive without compromising your values. Until you agree to be inclusive, you will hinder our cause. They are doing what they're doing because they are ignorant of things you are aware of, your choice to not be inclusive is just as wrong.
No, you can be inclusive.
My choice is thus: I actually work with different populations that they are hell bent on screwing over. I am not allowed the privilege of standing back and saying, "Golly, they just don't understand and I'm sure that if they were educated then they would see the light."
If you find some that are open to it, that is awesome. My choice represents that which is occurring as we speak. It constitutes right action.
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You embrace them. Im not a snake handler
I know them and they are not snakes. They are part of the 99%. When they awaken, I hope they find friendly people.
They awake son.and know what they do. Evil as ol Devil himself.
I apologize for not making it clear that I know them personally. For you to say they're evil tells me that you are asleep in a different way.
Sorry, they may be OK personaly, but they support Palin, Bachman, Scott Brown and Ercic Cantor. What they support by way of policy is evil. The representatives they put into office are for destroying the EPA, the Education Department, regulations that keep us safe, and the like. Their tying congress into knots helped downgrade America's creditworthiness. And their biggest legislative push was to stop energy efficient light bulbs. Do you remember them screaming about death panels? Do you know they have been funded by Stormfront and are aligned with White suprematist groups in the Southeast?
Yes,they are angry as OWS but they are angry at the wrong things for VERY wrong reasons. All they want is lower taxes. That's why they call themselves the Tea Party: it is a reference to the tax revolt. They don't understand, or seem to care, what those taxes do in terms of alleviating hunger or poverty.
Their agenda is the most right wing I have seen since McCarthy. Only these false patriots are "real Americans" as far as their spokesmen are concerned.
Welcome them? I wish they would just sit down and shut up.
They are asleep and do not realize that they are supporting evil policies. They are almost completely focused on forcing the government to stop spending more and more money. As in my original post, they believe so strongly in America, they are ignorant of the evils and need to wake up!
They're only false patriots because they aren't aware. When they become aware, they will be a tremendous help to our cause.
I'm thankful for OWS, it pushed me from being independent to being a Republican. Romney will get this mess cleaned up.