Forum Post: Today in Syria
Posted 12 years ago on Feb. 6, 2012, 8:36 p.m. EST by Chugwunka
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Saw a very disturbing report on BBC news on the regime attacks on the city of Homs. Severely wounded children were the hardest to watch. Mostly civilians are being killed. It seems they've been abandoned by the rest of the world. Keep them in your thoughts.
If it was happening in Gaza, the Western Mainstream Media would be screaming about "terrorists" using innocent women & children as "human shields" in the face of the "heroically moral" Israeli "Defense" Forces. We'd be told not to trust the cellphone & webcam footage coming from the "terrorists" - that it's misleading, unrepresentative of the wider situation, & just crude propaganda.
Wake Up, Sheeple! You're being manipulated by the MSM, AGAIN, into supporting a dirty, Western, proxy (using Libyan & other Arab jihadis) & covert (CIA/MI6/Mossad & US/UK/French/Israeli Special Forces) war, fomented by the CIA, aimed at punishing Syria for being an ally of Iran & an enemy of Israel, & at bringing Civil War & havoc to Syria, just as they have in Libya (where the West is busy amid the mounting chaos, stealing the oil & other natural resources).
The Western MSM is pretending there are simple, clean solutions that are just being blocked by Assad, Russia & China. That's just another LIE. Whichever way the situation goes, it's going to be bloody & nasty & long drawn out!
i hope im not gonna be banned for this jungle =) peace, i leave with you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7y4IbWtG6w
A breakdown of videos examining “peaceful” Syria protestors armed with Israeli weapons attacking the police, faked videos of “dead protestors”, and the real story of what is happening in Syria: http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/02/08/exposing-pysop-justify-war-syria-psyop-exposed-82031/
The US and NATO are bringing in mercenaries from LIbya and others for regime change, funding and arming them. Those soldiers are mostly the ones dying. It's a proxy war.
http://www.truth-out.org/proxy-war-syria-threatens-catastrophe-middle-east/1328367173
The killing of innocent civilians is going to continue for sometime. I just finished watching a report newshour.pbs.org. China gets Irans oil. Russia wants/has use of Syria Mediterranean ports. There are too many factions in Syria. Those factions are now getting some informal help from neighboring factions in Lebanon, Saudi Aribia, Iran. Not to trivialize the deaths but it is a "Cow patty" waiting for someone to step in it. It's not going to change soon.
Let's see, the USA started the opposition movement in Syria using this software and tools provided by OWS & Kalle-Lasn,
Yes, China gets its oil from the middle east, just like the USA.
Yes, Russia has vested interest's all over the world, just like the USA.
But it was the US-CIA that started the "Arab Spring", and some places they pulled it off, mostly by FORCE, but only one place was successful and that was Libya, and that's because Libya has the best highest quality low-sulfur oil on the planet, that which you need to run stealth fighters, ...
The USA loves to talk shit about Russia, but PUTIN has a 92% popularity, and Obama hangs at 16%. Which country is RIPE for revolution, and its NOT Russia.
they had recognize you dude. but its alright, its ok. cause i gonna make it anyway: they just color blind, and some of them are still won't believes in Al qa-i -da were founded by CIA. But i have to correct you about further elections in Russia. It is gonna be massive protest and could be probably some terrorist actions against people to escalate situation around elections. But i believe in technology and intelligent agency. they'll try to avoid provocation.(for our education: 5 candidates to a president election, 4!!! of them members of different political parties) In Russia some opposition partys are prepaid. here is my previous post http://occupywallst.org/forum/moderating-policies-will-be-reposted-somewhere-pro/#comment-532590
I think you're the first person here I've seen who realizes that most Russians like Putin. Most Chinese people seem to like their government also.
Except the ones in forced labor camps, sent there because they said a single wrong word. You do realize, don't you, that the Chinese aren't allowed to know anything about their government? They can't find out about Tianamen Square, or the ongoing cultural genocide in Tibet, (or the murder of 1 1/2 million Tibetans) or the 120 million that died directly or indirectly at Mao's hands?
As for Putin, it's pretty easy to have a 90% vote, when there's only one viable party.
VERY well said!
I don't believe that the Chinese are as unaware or brainwashed as you seem to suggest. I lived there for a year, teaching English, and heard quite a bit of free speech. One of my students stood up in class one day and gave a long speech about how he thought that Mao was a "devil".
We probably have had prisoners here too that are doing forced labor in prison for saying the wrong things.
As for cultural genocide in Tibet, under the regime of lamas, 95% of the Tibetan people were never allowed to learn how to read and write Tibetan. That is what I call cultural genocide. Today, over 90% of the Tibetans read and write Tibetan.
As for Putin, I believe the Russians like him simply because he is pro-Russian, as opposed to previous leaders who sold Russia out to globalization.
First, let's take Putin. His approval rating just went ever so slightly up, to 50%. 36% of the electorate polled say they will vote for him. He's not as popular as you imagine. And, just so you don't confuse altruistic motivations to Russia regarding Syria: Syria is one of Russia's largest buyers of weapons. Even today, shipments are being delivered. It's a great deal of money.
As to China, the people are OK, but the leadership is murderous. Less so now that in the (recent) past, but still. Human rights is not a priority. Lawyers get put in jail for defending clients. They also get put in jail for suing the government. In the lead-up to the last Olympics, hundreds of people's homes were destroyed to make way for the athletic venues. Few who lived in those homes were compensated. But the government put out a notice that anyone could petition the government for fair compensation simply by filling out certain forms at police stations. When the the hundreds of people went to those police stations, they were arrested and thrown, without trial, into prison. as soon as the forms were complete.
Tianamnen Suare doid not happen under Mao. It happened in the mid Eighties. China has killed 1.5 million Tibetans. That's physical genocide. It kidnapped and 'dissappeared" the young man in line to be the next Dalai Lama, and declared their own person to be him instead. Te current Dalai-lama's picture may not be viewed anywhere. Simply hanging his picture up is a crime. These actions constitute cultural genocide. Imagine if catholics were forced to to have a pope thrust on them by the Prime minister of Italy. It delegitimizes the core of the faith.
That Tibetans were not allowed to read and write under previous Lama is not genocide. European Christians weren't allowed to learn Latin or read the Bible in their native tongues for centuries: it did not destroy Christianity. But kidnapping the Tibetan chosen Lama and installing a government appointed authority in his place as the central religious authority of the religion is indeed cultural genocide for a society that is completely centered on Buddhism hierarchy and succession. Disallowing the veneration of the spiritual leader of the culture is genocide.
America once had forced labor for a variety of reason. I'm there were some who suffered it because they pissed the wring guy off. But not now. We have something called the first amendment. and although it is not absolute, it is better than having no rights to free speech whatsoever, as in modern China. Today, one is not only allowed to criticize Mao in China, but it such criticism is welcomed. The leadership has beeen trying to shed him for a couple of decades. How many of your students criticized the current leaders openly? Are you aware that a small army of people lurk on the internet, accessing chat rooms, blogs, Facebook, etc, for the sole purpose of monitoring dissent or taboo political subjects? It is well documented, and is common knowledge even in China.
The majority of people may like their government, but that's because the government severely limits what they know about it. The Great Firewall has been in place for quite some time now. And before that, print censorship.
There may be truth to some of the things you say, but I think much of it is propaganda. When I lived in China life was fine for 99% of the people I knew.
You weren't in a place that had starvation. You didn't see parents getting arrested for asking questions about government corruption in the wake of those terrible earthquakes. You taught in a school where foreigners were allowed to teach, and the schools were actually funded. That's a fraction of the country, and not a representative sample. (Though it is growing larger.)
Maybe so, but we will also see increasing starvation in the US in the months to come, as we have a very serious food shortage here. And we definitely have people here who get put in prison for saying the wrong things as well.
We're seeing increased food insecurity. Mass starvation is another matter. But we are indeed getting closer to starvation.
We still don't have the power to throw someone in jail for the "crime" of criticizing the government, or of the"crime" of being a defense attorney. We still have due process, even if it goes awry on occasion. No such protection is afforded there.
Still, this isn't a pissing contest about which country is better or worse. I am only responding to your assertion that the Chinese leadership is popular with the Chinese people. That depends on which people, and that also depends on severe information censorship. It is reported that the North Korean leadership is popular with its people, too. But that doesn't say much about the quality of that leadership. Stalin and Hitler were popular, too, in their day.
Bad things happen in China, but according to the World Bank, they brought one hundred million people out of poverty over the past few decades. I don't know of another country which has done that.
I read bad news about China quite often in the newspapers here, I think much of it is intended to prepare us for a future war.
"I read bad news about China quite often in the newspapers here, I think much of it is intended to prepare us for a future war."
I think that's paranoid.
Yes, getting 100 million people out of poverty was quite an accomplishment. It was done with a great deal of investment by the West. Getting a quarter billion into starvation preceding it wasn't such a great accomplishment, though. and causing the deaths, directly AND indirectly, of 120 million people wasn't so wonderful, either.
If you think the idea of a war with China is paranoid, just google combinations of WW3, China, Iran, Russia, and you will see there are a lot of people who are paranoid right now. Look it up at youtube also.
Its thought that our western financial oligarchs want to trigger a global nuclear war in the near future to reduce world population by 90%. Remember, a lot of the great military conquests in history were sneak attacks, nobody saw them coming.
I don't judge the Chinese today by what happened in the past or whatever number of deaths that you quote, we have genocide and war in the west as well.
China is as big as US, Europe, South America and Russia all put together. So to compare China, you have to compare to the west as a whole which has certainly committed its share of genocides and atrocities as well.
I think people who are committed to hating China as an absolute evil must be in someway biased.
I do not hate China. I am delighted with their progress, and hope they keep going. But I oppose rainbow-colored testimonials to them. I object to ignoring their crimes as a way to point to ours. Nobody's innocent.
As to the imminent threat of WWIII, it is an Alex Jones conspiracy fabrication that has gone viral. Nothing more. If nothing else, the 1% are cowards, and they could not escape scott free in such a scenario.
I lived in China and had a good experience there, I had some very good friends, I try to keep aware of the good things being done there. Of course no body is innocent.
I hope you are right about WW3. I used to say the same thing about the economic crisis before it happened, that is, that I hoped it wouldn't happen, but it still happened. This time, I really hope it doesn't happen.
I don't think you can pin the WW3 idea just on Alex Jones, Russian, Chinese and US generals have all been warning against it.
MY GAWD a HUMAN BEING HAS RESPONDED
DO you realize that your the FIRST person today that has responded that is NOT an artifical intelligence robot on this forum, and I know your human, cuz you know the truth.
YES, FUCK YES, the CHINESE love their leaders, and so do the RUSSIANS
WHY? Cuz the leaders there care about their people for REAL
But in the USA, the LEADERS ONLY care about the CORPORATION & MONEY
I think that's thrassy.
REally I do.
I know your thrassy, and I know he was thrassy, its his devils advocate game, but hell, I like Thrasymaque when he's NOT PLAYING THE FOOL ( which is 99% ) the time, ... but don't worry, in about ONE MINUTE 1,000 of his BOTS will attack his GOOD-BOT, see that's his game he'll post a rational position, which most LIBERALS can agree, and then he'll unleash a 1,000 right-wing BOTS to destroy the initial premise, he has done that here 10,000 times for what I don't know...
I don't care, ... we post truth, and Thrassy ( dickless asshole ) can do as he wishes with his mother.
You sure mon?
Look in the mirror.........................YOU might be thrassy!!!!!!!!!!
Bigfoot and HAARP mind control has gotten to you!!!!!
HIDE!.
So, how long since you've been banned and decided to come back under another username? How long, I wonder before you get banned again, you psychotic acid freak.
Yeah, Tiananmen Square was such an act of caring, compassionate leadership. LOL! Tell me another. I need a good laugh. Oh, wait, here's one: Tibetan genocide. Makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.
At least you don't live in the US anymore. One less wacko to deal with.
Debating a 1,000 right-wing Thrassy bot's, ... ok
You know what DILDO?? I was there got-it, I was there at Tiananmen , I'm fluent in Mandarin, and was living in Beijing at that time, ... what do you want to know?
Oh talk about Tibet, ... and like its some kind of IRAQ, where somebody bombed all the water&sewage plants and caused millions of children to die from dysentery? I have traveled widely everywhere in China, including Tibet, and no where do they KILL on the scale that the USA kills people for OIL.
You were in Tiananmen and you STILL say China has leadership that really cares about its citizens. What were you smoking and were can I avoid it?
I'm sorry, I really shouldn't goad the mentally ill.
USA - United States of FUCKING Amnesia.
What do you know about what transpired that night?
What the MSM tell's you?
Funny the Chinese education system doesn't even have to waste its time filing the minds of children with Kent State,... Waco, ... It's a given that USA is a imperial thug. China has NO history of imperialism, shit the USA even occupied China pre 1930's ( Boxer Rebellion ), ...
The Chinese know what the USA, ...
But your a fucking BOT, you spill back non-sense, ... I told you I was there, what do you want to know about what really happened that night?
Shit on the scale of things it was less than what the Delta Force did to the Branch Davidians in Waco under Clinton.
USA - United States of FUCKING Amnesia.
One night? do you think it was only one night?
How about hundreds dead in the street, or did that happen AFTER you left? And at least 2000 more rounded up and murdered later. Kent State? Yes, horrible. But you think thousands dead reveals a MORE caring leadership? One and a half million murdered Tibetans reveals a MORE caring leadership. 120,000,000 dead throughout China is LESS genocidal? Too many acid trips have scrambled you tiny raging little dried up brain.
For all its aggression combined world-wide, the US doesn't come CLOSE to that record of brutality. (Somehow, though, I'm sure you will twist what I'm saying into a defense of US brutality.)
Millions of children in the middle east have died from dysentery since the USA Genocide bombing campaigns started in the 90's and continue.
Never mind, .. move along.
Tienanmen Square was a one night event, just like Waco was a one night event.
Counting corpses for real or virtual?? In every instance the USA win's.
I know. Some Chinese undercover guys told you to camp out there after the multi-day protests ended and told you it was over in the morning. And you were so stoned you believed them! The fact that it lasted from before April and into June shouldn't dissuade you from believing it was a one night event. Don't Bogart that roach, man.
You should really go live there again. Their leadership is so caring. Slave labor is unheard of, And every human rights activist is a hero rather than being sent to jail. And a prince kissed her, and she woke up after being asleep for a HUNDRED years. La la la - la la.
Where do you think I live asshole?
China was more free in the 1980's than the USA, it was wild-west capitalism, and now its even more wild.
Today the USA is a Jail, 30 years ago there used to be soldiers everywhere on the street in China, now I never see a cop or a soldier, the public doesn't want to see cops, so the government has taken them off the street.
'Slave Labor'? The ONLY fucking slave-labor in China is the APPLE iPhone factory, and that is managed by the USA.
Yup, managed by the USA, and of course there are sooo many caring, warm-hearted, fair Chinese labor laws to protect them.
I'm glad you live in China. It's the right place for you, other than, say Somalia. Their leadership cares, too. Still, China is good. Too bad you weren't there for the Cultural Revolution. Or teh Great Leap Forward, Or Backward. Or bulldozed. You'd have been singing Madame Mao's praises right up until the bullet entered the back of your head.
The Chinese Revolution's ONLY GOAL is to eliminate the USA influence.
Mao freed his people from the Slavery of the USA empire, and no other country on earth had ever done so. The USA used all at its disposal, and was SO pissed about the loss, that they created the Korean War, and then the Vietnam War.
But I feel that the Cultural Revolution was a good thing, to have completely flushed the toilet of all USA influence, ... funny however that by the 1970's Nixon came on his knees and sucked CHINESE COCK, in order to come back in, and ever since the USA has been playing in CHINA by China's rules, and the USA hates it, and that's why the MSM assholes like you continue to demonize China. A good nation, of good people.
Your poor, deluded ass.
I will no longer respond, since it is clear you have had one too many electroshocks during your stay at the institute.
Have a good time spewing more disjointed, dishonest, indoctrinated vitriol. But be careful about ingesting more drugs. In China, that's a capitol offense, and someone in your family will have to pay for the bullet.
China is one of the most ancient imperial powers around, they occupied Korea and South East Asia before Christ was even born.
owsrebel You are a lying Marxist fuck. Go away murderous red scum.
Are you that fucking stupid? It's laughable
I think you're the first person here I've seen who realizes that most Russians like Putin. Most Chinese people seem to like their government also.
No, they don't, there are protests in Moscow and other cities that are trying bring Putin down. Your a fucking troll, nothing more.
What I like about Spade-Bot is you can put evidence in his diapers and he'll still not read. Spade-Bot might very well be the most perfect ditto-head that the Pug's have ever sent to befriend OWS.
Watch ...
Spade-Bot, Putin has 92% popularity and Obama 16%, the CIA NGO's are paying for the Russian Protests, is this really how you want your tax dollars spent? Now watch, he'll violate every principal of Ayn-Randian logic in his response.
I'm not a bot, and I live in Jakarta, Indonesia; I know very well the hate of Chinese and Russian Imperialism.
Last week you lived in Bali, how do you keep track of this shit?
But I proved my point the BOT completely ignored everything, his Pavlovian trigger was on Russia Putin, and that's all this BOT will focus on.
Spade what's the air speed of a Jakarta whore when she see's you in the Mosque?
I never said I lived in Bali, and if you can't see the evidence in front of you, then you are one stubborn tool.
'Evidence' where pray tell does a BOT keep evidence? In front of me? Where?
Look around you tool, your comments are disliked and most people disagree with your views. You have no supporters and your claims are bullshit. You have nothing.
Tens Of Thousands Rally Against Putin
CIA and Russian Protesters
Eastern European intelligence source that the CIA. Britain's MI-6, and George Soros, who actually fronts for the Rothschild family, has been funneling money to Russian protest movements
Funny Soros is paying for OWS through Kalle-Lasn, and Soros is paying for every "Arab Spring' in the world, ... but its the CIA who has ownership.
Why did Putin let 120,000 protest, and the US shit's it's pants if a couple 100 sleep in tents????????????????????????????
Putin Accuses Clinton of Instigating Russia Protests « The Ugly Truth ... moved forcefully to tamp down efforts to protest ... independent election monitoring group in Russia, of being financed ... They are nothing but CIA rats nests which ...
I doubt the CIA is behind the protest in Egypt
Hosni Mubarak allied with the US
All US puppets in time become useless, ... think Somoza, Hussein, Noriega, the Shah of Iran...
The CIA still controls the military government of Egypt, for no other reason that the Israel demands it,
such faith in a group that doesn't disclose it's operations
even if CIA boffed an assignment,
they could claim they controlled it
You may be right.
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